I am a 42 year old white male who was
diagnosed with gout in 1999. I suspect I
had been suffering since 1994. My
lifestyle in the 90s had a lot of rich
foods and alcohol. My weight during this
time has varied between 180 and 225.
I used to be on various gout drugs and
grew weary of the complications. The
final straw was when the damn doctor made
me get emergency mris over thanksgiving
weekend. Nothing was damaged but I quit
seeing him.
I took matters in my own hands and as I am
an engineer began a long road of discovery
and experimentation. I'll rate each step
1 to 10 with 1 being worst and 10 being
gout free.
My first experiment was to radically alter
my diet to exclude alcohol and most rich
foods. As you all know, hard to do for a
length of time. I did this for 6 months
and reduced the duration and frequency but
did not eliminate it. Rated 3.
My next stab at this was to use a product
called gout cure. It helped much better
but I had to continue to abstain from
alcohol and rich foods. The ingredients
were advertised to clean out the liver and
kidneys which to an engineer made sense.
Clogged filters don't work well at
cleaning anything. Rated 4.
The next experiement had me examine
neutralizing acid via lemon juice and
water. I still used gout cure. This went
on for 3 months. The combination seemed
to work well but occasional pain was
experienced. Duration and frequency was
at the lowest. I noted the tophi reducing
in my body. My sleep pattern improved and
I could go the night without discomfort.
Rated 7.
The next phase had me focused more on acid
reduction/neutralization. I bought coral
calcium powder and swilled a 12 ounce
glass each morning. Maybe one teaspoon of
the calcium. I ceased gout cure and saw
yet another jump in quality. Rated 8.
I am now better understanding my
situation. Ph is critical. On my own I
tried baking soda. The positive results
were immediate. I actually had entire
weeks of zero pain. The tophi reduced.
My urine ph was being measured daily and
spot checked during the day. I was
steadily alkaline. As a test I ceased the
baking soda for several days. My urine
was very acid. I did a shot of whiskey
and saw the ph move to the max acid the ph
could measure. A teaspoon of baking soda
in water made the urine alkaline once
again. My tophi began to reduce, soften
and break up. My girl friend noted my
elbows looked 20% reduced. I'd say 25%.
Now I discover another problem.
As my blood was saturated to an extent
that uric acid crystals could solidify and
'reef up' the baking soda reduced the
saturation in liquid and the reduced
saturation caused uric acid to come out of
solid into solution. If I was not
steadily on the baking soda and lapsed i'd
get a severe attack. A quick bit of
baking soda did radically reduce the pain
in 8 hours. So, as I get better I find I
need to be on top of the baking soda.
Saturated blood can recrystalize. Pain
ensues. Rated 9.
My next step is to do a further change and
reduce soft drinks to one a day. I am
allowing myself some alcohol and rich
foods. I am trying to find baking soda
capsules. I find that club soda alkalizes
blood nicely so I keep a few bottles at
work and in the car. My tophi are
reducing steadily. I expect complete
reduction in 6 to 9 months. Occassional
pain is experienced but is bearable.
Anyways, my 2 cents. I am no doctor so I
encourage everyone to see their doctor
before trying this. Your results may
vary.
One thing I appreciate is that tumors and
various diseases both thrive in acid blood
and promote acid blood. Your body works
best in the alkaline range, not acid. Put
another way, a sick body promotes further
sickness. I find the baking soda solution
to be cheap ($0.49 a box), easy to
administer and for me it works. I am
hoping that I can lose about 15 pounds to
help matters along. If I get down to just
one glass of baking soda water a day I
will most likely continue this for the
rest of my life and the great part is I
can enjoy my old favorites again. Just in
moderation.
Anyways, good luck and good health!
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ggoede1
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Denver
a Great Proof of Concept... Posted: 01-09-06 17:27pm
This weekend, as proof mostly to myself, I
binged intentionally on booze.
Specificall, jim beam and coke. The
sugar from the coke alone should have
cased an attack. I drank one 750 ml
bottle of beam each night for 3 nights.
Between drinks i'd do about 1/4 teaspoon
of baking soda in water. I measured my
urine ph every 2 hours. While I got
snockered good the gout did not attack and
at no point was ph acid.
Granted, this is sorta like testing a
bullet proof vest while wearing it but I
needed to convince myself that this was
not placebo. The last time I did this I
was in pain immediately and for 10 days.
Keeping ph checked with baking soda
prevented a certain attack.
I won't be doing that again but it is good
proof that it works. I'll go back to my
old routines, however. Having gout at
least teaches you moderation.
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JYY2
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 224
Posted: 01-09-06 21:24pm
May I ask, how many 1/2 tsp of baking soda
in water did you have within how many
hours? Thanks.
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ggoede1
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Denver
Posted: 01-09-06 23:01pm
During the jim beam experiment I think it
was 1/4 teaspoon every few drinks. I
think as I rechecked urine ph once I was
solidly in the alkaline range I eased off.
So, say fri/sat/sun each day, a total of
less than 3 teaspoons. While drinking it
was 1/4 teaspoon every few drinks.
Sorry, can't be more precise.
Suffice it to say that I am going back to
my old ways and not starting to drink
again. What is nice is that I can have a
few if I want without the fear of an
attack.
On a regular day I just do maybe 1/2
teaspoon in the morning and again when I
get home. I steer clear of soda pop. I
keep club soda at work and that helps.
As the tophi reduces and vanishes i'll
ease off the baking soda.
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JYY2
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 224
Posted: 01-10-06 00:13am
Thanks a lot for your reply.
Last edited by JYY2 on 01-10-06 18:27pm; edited 1 time in total
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painfree
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Thanks: 3
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Posted: 01-10-06 09:14am
Ggoede 1 --
here's a tip from one engineer to another.
Don't ignore the possibility of sleep
apnea being the underlying cause of your
gout. If you have sleep apnea and allow
it to continue, it can lead to other
life-threatening conditions. According to
a recent article in the new england
journal of medicine, people with sleep
apnea have twice the risk of dying within
a specified period of time as compared to
those without sleep apnea.
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ggoede1
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Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Denver
a Week Later... Posted: 01-15-06 13:07pm
I did that horrible jim beam experiment
and a week later I have only experienced
minor discomfort.
I haven't had any luck in finding baking
soda pills so i'll still have to eye ball
what I am mixing. I would say that on
any given morning I am using a quarter
teaspoon of baking soda in water and a
similar measure when I get home.
The weight loss is so far 5 pounds with
another 10 pounds to go. About the only
thing I am doing is giving up coke et al
and not eating candy bars. I should
comfortably get to 185 in 2 or 3 weeks.
I spent a few days spot checking urine ph
and found that if I avoid sugars in coke
and candy I can keep the ph alkaline
fairly easily. It doesn't suddenly shoot
to acid unless I add sugar. I haven't
seen wild ph swings unless I instigate it.
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ggoede1
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Denver
In Addition... Posted: 01-15-06 19:21pm
I have been experimenting with beverages
that are tasty yet free of sugar. I will
have to confess a 6 can of coke addiction
that I needed to break. In any case I
have found that club soda substitutes well
for coke in 'adult beverages' and if you
are willing to add flavoring it also
works. I tried some divinci flavors my
gf uses for coffee and it seems to work.
You get a fizzy drink that both alkalizes
and tastes good. Who said good health
had to be bland!
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 01-15-06 20:03pm
I do not have gout but this is awesome! I
had also heard that alkaline p.H is a help
with gout but with the research you are
doing as well as the articulate posting.
You are helping many folks to a life of
pain free living.
P.S. Since you cannot find baking soda
capsules, why not try to develope and
patent something. As an engineer, you
will probably be able to find some complex
formulation for the gelatin capsule cases
and use your favorite baking soda.
Its worth a shot. Kinda like vapoorize or
flan in a can :)
(products from the movie "envy")
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ggoede1
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Denver
Someone Else Asked... Posted: 01-22-06 22:50pm
Just to clarify I use a glass of water and
1/4 teaspoon in the am then again when I
get home. Total intake of water each
day is about 96 ounces of water. Or, 8
12 ounce glasses. I steer clear of
unnecessary sugar but that is due in part
to losing 15 pounds. Once my weight is
to 185 I will allow some soft drinks or
whatever but in vastly moderated servings.
Sugar does acidify your blood.
I have not had a gout attack in a very
long time. Swelling is much less and
where I have tophi I am noticing a steady
shrinkage. The tophi are softening and
shrinking.
To an extent I am back on a diet I enjoy
and I am less focused on what foods I am
eating. Baking soda works for me but
your mileage may differ. I also drink
club soda for a break from baking soda.
Maybe 6 cans a week. I haven't seen
where baking soda pills are offered but a
friend suggested I could make capsules.
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ggoede1
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Denver
Still Chugging Away... Posted: 03-15-06 11:08am
I have upped the baking soda to about 2
teaspoons per day with tophi still burning
off. This seems to work for men but I am
no doctor. You should consult your
doctor before doing this. Interestingly,
the cold I got a few weeks ago was
something that passed in 3 days.
Possibly due to an alkaline blood ph?
Was the bady ph too hostile for the bug to
live?
Does anyone know if you can post pics?
I'd be happy to share pics of tophi
dissolving over time.
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ggoede1
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Denver
Typo... Posted: 03-15-06 21:22pm
Yes, it works for men but also women. I
meant to type 'me'.
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JYY2
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 224
Posted: 03-19-06 23:07pm
Sodium bicarbonate (baking soda) tablets
have been available over the counter in
drugstores for ages. Bs tablets from
drugstores cost 20~30 times or more than
baking soda from grocery stores.
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ggoede1
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Denver
Posted: 03-22-06 09:09am
I'll stick to plain old baking soda, then.
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ggoede1
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Denver
Found the Tablets... Posted: 04-02-06 11:19am
I was stuned but there is a minimalist
alka-seltzer out there. That will
alkalyze the blood. For those who don't
know, taking baking soda through an
airport causes unnecessary problems.
Think about it; loose white powder?
Anyways, jyy2 is right, plain alka-seltzer
is 30 times more expensive.
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gillie
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 2 Location: 96067
Posted: 05-03-06 11:51am
Having no history with this forum, i'm not
sure how the group is split regarding
homeopathic remedies for the big g.....
My approach is very similar to yours,
ggoede1. Your posts are encouraging....
I, too, grew tired of my doctor's
ineptitude when it came to gout. Allo,
colchicine, etc, wreaked havoc on me in
ways that I didn't like. I tried all
kinds of herbal remedies, celery seed,
cherry juice, etc with moderate success.
I finally happened upon the ph theory, and
put it into practice for awhile, but then
lapsed.
I just weathered my first major attack in
three years. I have decided to manage my
diet better, avoid the usual suspects at
all costs, and maintain a healthy ph.
I'm currently using something called
buffer-ph, made by vaxa. It's
homeopathic, and about $30 a month, but I
have incorporated it into my daily regime
for a month now. The gout has subsided,
and my ph is neutralized. If I know i'm
going to be going out to dinner with
friends, drinking wine, and possibly
eating some meat, I will double up on the
buffer-ph.
So far, so good.... To be continued.
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JYY2
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jun 2004 Posts: 224
Posted: 05-03-06 13:57pm
What are in buffer-ph by vaxa? They
are: baking soda (sodium bicarbonate),
potassium bicarbonate, calcium carbonate,
etc.
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gillie
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 03 May 2006 Posts: 2 Location: 96067
Posted: 05-03-06 18:43pm
jyy2
wrote:
what are in buffer-ph by
vaxa? They are: baking soda (sodium
bicarbonate), potassium bicarbonate,
calcium carbonate,
etc.
etc = aloe vera, berberine alkaloid,
cucumber, homeopathics:, graphites,
natrum phosphoricum, nux vomica, rheum
officinale, robinia pseudacacia,
natrum muriaticum, natrum sulfuricum,
kali carbonicum, kali oxalicum, kali
phosphoricum, kali sulfuricum,
magnesium phosphoricum, chamomile,
kali muriaticum, sorbitol
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ggoede1
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Denver
An Update... Posted: 09-21-06 21:17pm
I am still doing about 1/3 teaspoon of bs
in the am then again when I get home. I
vastly increased my water intake to about
1 gallon a day and have 6 cups of green
tea a day. Consequently, I pee a lot.
The rationale is that I am giving my body
ample opportunity to neutralize and remove
the uric acid. I have done the water
deal for nealy a month and I have seen
improvement.
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ggoede1
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jan 2006 Posts: 27 Location: Denver
Almost a Year Later... Posted: 08-06-07 16:20pm
When I was still seeing the witch doctor
for my gout several years ago I was told
that if I get rid of some weight I'd be
better off supposedly because you have a
finite ability to neutralize uric acid. I
think my doctor wanted me to get down to
180-175.
I spent the last year at a company in a
miserable contract and during this time I
rather abused myself in food and drink.
About 6 weeks after signing on I found I
had to complete 1 year before I could
leave. Leaving before would have cost me
$7,000 I'd have to repay this place.
In any case let's say I was quite
miserable and while I used the BS daily I
also packed on some pounds due to a lack
of activity and beer. I think I was at
205 pounds when I left. It is now August
and I lost 25 pounds.
I did go through a 2 week gout attack.
The right side arm/leg then the left leg.
I am down to 180 and the lack of
beer/alcohol was a big reduction in empty
calories.
I still take BS but I find that a half
teaspoon works just as well. I will for a
time switch to ACV or club soda just to be
different. Tophi are still receding and
breaking up in the elbows and elsewhere.
What I think happened was the reduction in
weight over 6 weeks initiated a gout
attack and my uric acid probably went up
as fat was consumed during the process.
My hope is that now I am down to 180 (I
haven't seen that weight since 1994) I
might be better able to deal with uric
acid better.
I did discover that beer, especially wheat
beer, is much worse than liquor for gout
sufferers so I don't drink beer at all.
By the way, I still drink but my drinking
happens on Fridays or Saturdays. I may
have gout but I should be able to have
some fun!
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