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Eternal

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Gender Identity...
Posted: 12-29-05 12:09pm

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i have realised that I seek a masculine identity, which I am not secure of, but which is more and more significant as I grow older and desire more meaningful relationships. When I was young, I almost always fantasised being a female and connected very strongly to a feminine identity, the appearance of an angelic and beautiful woman being far more desirable for myself than an unattractive man. While I would not openly exhibit female behaviour ( e.G. Cross-dressing, playing with dolls, etc) I would engage much more easily with female friendships and engage in female-oriented activities such as co-operation. However, my psyche was not entirely shaped this way, and I experienced male traits nevertheless such as competition and exhibiting the male gender role of being active within adventure-oriented games. However, I almost always adopted mannerisms of females (not gender specific ones, but mannerisms of particular female people) and viewed femininity as positive (empathy, tenderness, caring) and masculinity as negative (aggression, lack of awareness of others' feelings, being disagreeable). I felt far more comfortable and confident within a female identity, and wished to be a girl, but was aware of my biological sex, and suppressed the fantasy from the view of any others. I knew I would grow into a man, but at a young age, such future prospects were not of great importance. This section of an article summarises certain parts of my sentiments accurately:



"some boys suffer from a chronic sense of feeling inadequate in their masculinity, but do not imitate female behaviour. These boys may exhibit an almost phobic reaction to rough-and-tumble play and an intense dislike of team sports because of poor eye-hand coordination. This inability to bond with other boys through sports leads to isolation, profound loneliness, a weak sense of masculinity, deep resentment, and often depression."



i only began to establish a certain sense of masculine identity during pubertal growth, and stopped consistent fantasising of being female, and have not exhibited traits of homosexuality (which is difficult for others to understand, as many often perceive that preferring a feminine identity connects with being homosexual). While I have a certain sense of masculinity, I cannot clearly establish that I can fully embrace being a man with male traits, as I do not feel that this is truly what forms my entire being, although biologically, what it ought to be. I still have occasional and short fantasies where I have certain mannerisms of females I admire, and often feel (especially around those particularly "masculine) more effeminate in the company of other men. Often if asked about gender, men will say "i am male, and proud of it, I wouldn't want to be a woman" and vice versa. I am unable to say that I am a man and proud of it. As previously mentioned, I viewed feminine traits often as positive, and ones I should have, and male traits as negative, even if it was not so. For example, men are psychologically "problem solvers", in a relationship or other issue; they will see a problem and try to fix it. This can be a hindrance or advantageous depending on the situation, whereas women view problems in terms of relationships between others and seek solutions in the interests of the feelings of others – such a trait is far more favourable to me. While I can accept certain male traits to a certain extent, which exist with female ones, I cannot be happy when exhibiting male traits, and often resent the fact that male traits are presented as a "problem" towards female traits. For example, if a woman says she is tired, it may be to signal that she has had a stressful day and seeks affection from the man. However, the man, as a problem solver may say "take a rest" feeling that that is what the woman ought to do. The woman is emotionally unfulfilled by not receiving the affection she desires, and the male trait is seen as the "problem", and this forms part of my subconscious thought process when I favour female traits.

I believe one major cause of exhibiting such traits is the fact that I have been unable to secure a true emotional connection with my father and view him as a role model from which I could form my own masculinity. While it has been formed to a certain extent this way, it is in no way sufficient. I have a bond of familial love and care for my father, but not the sense of connection by self-identification. Most of my identity by familial relationships was formed by my mother, being the main parent who raised me. While as a parent she can give parental love and instil values for me to be a well-rounded person, as well as providing a base for relationships with women, she cannot provide a full sense of masculine identity.

I am also aware of the fact that to be a man, one does not have to be a stereotypical macho sports fan, but can be sensitive, empathic and loving, but a sense of manliness, strength, and a certain expression of gender role is required, and is what I lack. Similarly to what the "when boys won't be boys" article states, this lack of masculinity contributes to lack of self-esteem, anxiety and difficulty in forming meaningful relationships with other males. I believe that this has also contributed to the fact that I am not attractive for romantic relationships, as for heterosexual relationships to start, a woman must be attracted to a man with male traits that will (subconsciously thought) provide the strongest children, and vice versa. As I do not have a strong masculine identity, I feel that this sense of romantic relationships is not possible, and in certain ways, I simply assume the role of another girl in a friendship with a female, although not in all ways. However, in terms of desire for romantic relationships, I wish to assume the role of a male, but have very little will or desire for dominance or a sense of self-worth to be a suitable partner. While relationships no longer need the stereotypical breadwinning protective male and submissive female, certain traits of these gender roles are still exhibited within romantic relationships, and I lack this sense of masculinity in order to create any sense of a relationship.
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jenweric

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Gender Identity
Posted: 02-14-06 22:33pm

You really analyzed yourself to the fullest extent. Bravo.
So what's your concern?
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Eternal

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Posted: 02-28-06 17:43pm

It is essentially how I can come to terms with my identity - is it a normal problem, or is it worth seeing the gp about? Are gps particularly qualified to tackle such complex issues? This page describes how I feel almost completely accurately - htt p://www.Love-shy.Com/gilmartin/chapter05/m alelesbian.Html almost as if I wrote it myself. In japanese, the word for gender is "seibetsu", which means the "separation of life" - and it certainly is - the separation of life into two different paths, and sometimes I feel that being male is subhuman and an inappropriate way of living for me - I don't feel I was made to hunt, forage, rough and tumble, etc, I feel more inclined to love, care, and relate to people, and I value this more highly. I do however have some masculine traits, particularly sexual desire towards females, and certain elements of aggressive play with toys when I was young. I also see my identity as a male, and changing sex would be too traumatic, mean I was a lesbian, have some male traits, and be viewed as abnormal, and be unable to have children (i am not quite at the extreme stage of a transsexual).
Is there any specific help I can find?

Although I didn't make my questions clear, I think it's pretty obvious what my problems are and advice to give, rather than just saying "so what's your concern?" :roll:
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jenweric

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Don't Worry
Posted: 02-28-06 22:15pm

Hi,

personally, I don't think there's anything wrong with you. These are my thoughts: you seem to be very educated, because your writing is perfect.
You are a very sensitive male(which is rare) and I would think women would be knocking down your door!! Also, I think you are thinking about your "problem" too much. You are smart and sensitive..Hmm.. You have a lot going for you!!! Engage yourself in hobbies or have a couple of drinks with your friends! Instead of dwelling on your identity, you should really focus your attention on your health. There are people dying of cancer, aids, and so much more. They would be thrilled to have your "problem." life to too short, man! Go out and have some fun!
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Eternal

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Posted: 03-01-06 15:34pm

I have felt that too - that there is little wrong with me, which is why I have not talked about it much to close friends, it's just that often I feel detached from masculinity - and this is significant because I very very rarely attract women, and if I do, it is only due to a superficial reasons such as my looks, but I have never had a relationship or particularly flirtatious encounter. Despite this, I socialise very easily with most girls, and many say I talk on their level, I am more comfortable around them than boys, but the reason why I feel I am not attractive is because I don't have confidence with attracting females. The two times I have serious feelings for a girl I have driven them away, so subconsciously my mind stops myself from approaching anyone else in the same way. As you can tell, I am hardly a "masculine" male (i don't care about being macho, etc. But having masculine traits is important) yet I dislike being male and as a result I don't have a "male attractiveness". In any case, whether this makes me less attractive or less confident, i'm not sure how I can achieve happiness with my identity, since part of it is being a male, yet for me, being male is a second-rate form of living - more men suffer diseases, die earlier, more likely to have mental problems, more likely to have problems at school, are always stereotyped as totally misunderstanding others, mainly women, have poorer smell and hearing, seem to be only able to do one thing at a time, take words literally and are not good at inferring meaning, take stupid risks, are anti-social, are less sensitive and block out feeling, are stereotyped as forgetful and stupid, feels sex is the primary achievement in a relationship, can never tell what a woman is thinking (because he is so stupid and can't read any body language... :roll: ). I don't associate myself, or wish to associate myself with these sorts of traits at all, and feel I have aptitude in areas where men are typically weak, so I have simply adopted my own personality and rejected stereotypes, but this also means rejecting masculinity.

Girls also have similar opinions to you - "you must attract many women, you are smart, sensitive, poetic..Etc etc" yet I never do.. )
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christiahall

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Posted: 06-22-06 04:00am

I didn't have the attention span to read passed the third paragraph, but I just wanted to let you know that I think that what you have expressed is not all that uncommon. I am a woman, and had the exact same (but opposite) feelings. I have come to the conclusion that it is just one way that we appreciate and love the opposite sex in a perfectly healthy way. Now even my 3 year old daughter seems to have the same thing. She always wants to be both the boy and the bad guy when they play games. Its just a quirk I guess. I think it just means that you love women in the best way possible and would probably make a really good lover.
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