How Do I Tell Him??? Pleasure Troubles Posted: 12-20-05 15:45pm
I'm a woman and i'm posting this here to
get a man's perspective on a problem with
my lover.
My problem is this: a few months ago I
had sex for the first time with a man i'm
seeing long distance. We've now been
intimate 3x. The first time we did it -
it was very brief. He initiated it by
french kissing me a bit, then s*ucking my
nipples (awesome) for about 5 minutes,
then entering. It lasted probably from
kissing to coming 10 mins. He came, I
did not.
You should notice I didn't say he fondled
me, stroked me, anywhere on my body - let
alone my 'kitten' -- that's because he
didn't...Ever. Not the first time, or
the second. The second time was exactly
like the first....Even when I tried to
change the pace, he steered the act the
way it went before, i.E, french kisses,
nipple s*cks, intercourse, no other
fondling, caressing, etc.
The 3rd time was a litte better in that it
happened after the 2nd time, and I climbed
on top for awhile, then he flipped me and
put my legs over his arms, and it was
better (but still no orgasm for me -
though his was great for him)....
I have never experienced anyone like this.
He reminds me of how we were as children
- you know, when you knew nothing about
sex but pieced together some 'steps' and
thought that was it? [note: ironically,
this man has been having sex for many more
years than I have, so he's no novice.
I'm the novice by comparison]
i need to tell him that I need a whole lot
more of everything...Foreplay
bigtime!!!!!!! But I really don't know
how to go about it.
I first thought the next time we see each
other i'd tell him what I do like that he
does, and that i'd like some other things,
and offer to show him what I want. But,
since I want like a million things from
him that he just doesn't seem to even
consider doing, in the end I think it will
offend him....Basically, it would take me
a good hour to demo on him all that he
isn"t doing to me...That's got to offend a
man I think (?)...Basically, it's like I
have to show/tell him every little
thing...Not just one thing is missing...
It"s all missing people!!!!
Then I thought about buying a board
game...And i'm waiting now for 5 different
ones in the mail as I write. I thought
to flirtingly suggest we play a game - and
erotic one - and pull out the board game.
The ones I looked at seem perfect....It's
just a way of fun but the games force each
person to slow down and indulge in ample
and varied foreplay...Which i'm desperate
for :cry:
so anybody out there - what do you think?
How would a man want to be told something
like this? Has this ever happened to you?
What worked? What shouldn't I do or
say?
Thanks to every bit of advice...
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onyourbike
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 Jan 2006 Posts: 2
Posted: 01-08-06 18:08pm
This is very simple. You must tell him
what you like. Otherwise he will
continually not satisfy you and you will
loose interest. Trust me, I have been
the ignorant guy on this one.
They way tp pitch this so as not to hurt
his ego is tell him what he did that you
like. Then perhaps add that he has got
you 80% of the way to an orgasim but it
would be great if he could take you all
the way.
Remember, contrary to popular belief by
woman, man are not psychic!!
Communication, that is the key.
Hope that helps.
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mrjsmith
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Dec 2005 Posts: 25 Location: New York
Posted: 01-08-06 20:59pm
You have to tell him what you like. To
be honest, at this point, I expect to get
feedback from a girl. If she doesn't
volunteer that info, I ask.
There is an ego thing here, to a degree,
but he's not completely failing. He's
just not doing everything you'd like.
Don't make it criticism. Make it kinky.
Make it fun. He hasn't touched you at
all yet? Here's an idea. Next time
he's over, wear a skirt with no panties.
As soon as you're alone, shove him down on
the couch/bed, straddle him, and pull your
skirt up a little. Whisper "touch me" in
his ear. He will.
Then later when you're laying around,
before, after, during, whatever. Tell
him to do this or that, depending on the
situation.
You don't have to tell him all at once.
Just some things here and there.
Another idea (which, personally, I love).
Have you thought about actually showing
him? Masturbate in front of him. If he
gets into it, ask him if he wants to take
over. Or not. Do it all yourself.
Either way, fun.
He'll learn. Personally I don't take
suggestions as criticism. I can see how
some guys might I guess, but I think
delivery is key. If you come out like,
"listen, we need to talk. I'm not
fulfilled by this. You finish, but I
don't, and its a problem. You need to
____ and ____, and because you don't do
that, etc....". This sucks. When
you're mostly naked and grinding, grab his
hand and say, "oh baby, I need ____ and
____". See? Much more fun. It sounds
like everything else is going ok, so I
really think this will work fine.
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NewGirl
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 12 Location: PA
Posted: 01-13-06 13:25pm
Wow!! Hi guys! I was beginning to
think i'd never get a man's response to
this question -- i'd basically given up
hope!
Then onyourbike and mrjsmith come to the
rescue :) :) !!!!!! Just like the
cavalry!
Thanks a million guys. Really, both your
replies were truly awesome.
Onyour - short and sweet - but very
helpful. I like the exact wording you
give of what to say to my guy. It's
positive, and it gives him hope than he
can get me there.
Mrjsmith - your reply was fantastic too.
I most appreciate how descriptive and
detailed you are -- that's how I like to
get an answer to a question - every
possible way to consider it!
Especially great was the dialogue of what
not to say - trust me, I needed that --
because as you can imagine, it's
frustrating to find that me and my guy
didn't click on the sex -- and I get
frustrated replaying in my head how there
was no orgasms for me and why -- and I
kept seeing my imaginary conversation with
him deteriorating into the same 'not-to'
dialogue you listed.
I love the idea of making it fun -- love
the skirt idea :) - i'm all about dressing
up for bed ;)! Showing him how is
really great too.
So thanks a million again guys! Since it
was such good advice - I hope to keep you
posted the next time me and my guy get
together (and I use some of your
suggestions)....
One thing - what do men feel about the
idea of using a board game? There's one
called the kama sutra game - it's got a
board and cards - full of foreplay and
erotic play that lets both get good play
and win at varied sex positions in the
end...
Is this a turn-on idea for a guy -- or
does it sound to formal and suspicious
(like "what are you trying to say? I need
a game to tell me how to have sex?') --
would a man respond good or bad to a
store-bought board game?
If you're still out there onyour and mrj -
and any other good guys -- what do you
think?
Please, I will really appeciate a man's
point of view. Any other suggestions out
there?
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teach486
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 25 Aug 2005 Posts: 276 Location: US
Posted: 01-13-06 17:19pm
Hey there again. I just wanted to share
with you a web site I find helpful if you
have time to sit in front of the computer
for a bit. The link is below. Just click
on "love & sex" in the menu. There
are many advice articles, and
question/answer pieces, from both a man's
perspective, and a woman's. I also found
the "understanding men" section helpful.
It can be found under "love & sex"
menu on the left hand side.
Hi newgirl. I hope you don't mind a
woman jumping in when you were asking for
advice from men...I just wanted to talk a
little about your board game question.
My husband and I like them, and it's funny
you mentioned the kama sutra game because
we just played that one the other night.
It was good but not our favorite, only
because it involves a lot of discussion
and I think we just know each other too
well because we've been together so long.
But in your case, with a long distance
relationship, it would probably be good
because you still have a lot to discover
about each other. Another game that we
really like a lot is played in the tub,
and it's called bathtub love. Pretty
simple, but very sensual and fun. I
think a game would be perfect for you two,
as long as he's okay with it.
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mrjsmith
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 Dec 2005 Posts: 25 Location: New York
Posted: 01-15-06 18:03pm
I might be a bad one to ask. I'm easy to
please and not easily offended. I think
the game is a great idea. The only
concern with that kind of thing is
bringing out too early. It seems like
more of a thing you'd do with somebody
you've been with for a little while.
However, if I went to a girl's place and
she pulled that out on our first night i'd
lose my mind, in a good way.
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NewGirl
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Dec 2005 Posts: 12 Location: PA
Posted: 01-18-06 10:50am
Hi all - thanks for the new feedback :).
Hey teach - what'chu doing over here :-o?!
Lol -- but thanks for the website idea.
I know that one, i've checked it out and
it did have some good info on it -- but
it's a good reminder from you to keep it
in mind. I thought the articles about
understanding men were good -- I printed
out one about what a man thinks is
romantic....
Hi tasha - thanks for replying about the
board game idea. I'm surprised the kama
sutra game didn't go over that big w/ you
and yours -- online it had great reviews
from couples. I bought about 4 - and I
liked it the best because it makes each
person go a different path (i'd think a
man would like that autonomous approach) -
but each path gets each person doing the
kinds of things I most want to
happen....And I felt that this way, I
could get a little of everything I want
that evening -- also, the card
instructions were really great I thought
-- esp the one that says "if your private
part could speak to your lover what would
it say" -- I love that question -- because
I could tell him about touching, going
slow etc......And the pictures of the ks
positions are hot in a cute way --
i saw that bathtub love game - and thought
about it (he loves to take baths!) - so
maybe i'll get it too.
Really I keep jumping back and forth in my
feelings about the approach to take -
either go solo and rely on my own sexual
energy and just present that to him - take
over the night, and get it my way in the
most seductive, agreeable way I know how
(keeping in mind and using the great
wordings these guys here offered) --- then
I get more worried that he'll feel
controlled and dominated (because i'm
showing him from lips to toes exactly what
I want - it's so much that I think it
would at some point be overwhelming
-- that's where the game comes in my mind
to save the day...A board game with cards
is objective -- we agree to play a game,
we both agree to be 'controlled' by the
objective 3rd party - the sex board game
teling each of us what to do...That way,
he just sees it as a kinky approach to sex
-- I still get to let him know what I
enjoy without it coming on too
strong....You know what I mean?
Mrj - thanks again -- i'm glad a man might
dig the game idea. Because too, my guy
isn't overly aggressive -- i'm sure there
are things he'd like from me that he
hasn't even ventured to ask, but if a card
comes up in a game that asks me to perform
that thing on him - and I willingly do it
- it would surely be successful :)....
But, we'll see one day what works in the
end :)!
Thanks again guys, and gals :).
I'm still open and hoping to hear from
more guys - your input is really
appreciated! Any other advice out there
- or personal experiences of success on
clicking better in bed?