Would An Artificial Womb Be Possible? Posted: 12-08-05 12:35pm
My view is that a woman has the right to
control her body. That means, if she does
not want to be pregnant, she should have
the right to abort. At the same time, I
can understand the view that the fetus may
have its own right to live -- provided it
does not compromise the woman's control
over her body.
If the fetus could survive on its own,
that would be fine -- just deliver it.
However, we know that very few abortions
take place after the point at which a
fetus could survive outside the womb, and
very few of those are for anything other
than a threat to the woman's health.
(handicaps and deformities can generally
be picked up before 15 weeks, although
some may only be seen on later ultrasound
images accounting for additional late
abortions.)
what I would suggest is that those who
disapprove of abortion start funding the
development of artificial wombs. Instead
of destroying a fetus during an abortion,
I would propose that it could be
delivered, the woman released from all
responsibility or "ownership", and placed
in an artificial incubator -- the adopting
parents, perhaps, could pay for the costs
of the incubation. Maybe those fetuses
aborted for deformity or handicap reasons
could be "adopted" by donations from
anti-abortion groups, who could also come
up with homes for any that survived after
"birth".
I'm guessing that some pregnant women
would not be in favour of this, because
they would feel it was the same as giving
a baby up for adoption -- i.E. They don't
know that it will go to a good family,
they don't want to think that there is a
child of theirs out there somewhere. But
really, it would be not a lot different
from being a sperm donor.
This plan would mean there was no
destruction of embryos/fetuses, but also
that women could end an unwanted
pregnancy.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 12-08-05 20:48pm
This is actually a good idea. Wonder if
it will ever pan out.
Maybe you should propose it to the medical
field, webmd or such. Lol
i'm serious though, this is a good idea.
Everyone wins. I'm always in favor of no
abortion.
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Posted: 12-08-05 21:39pm
I've posted before my support for this
kind of idea. I really like it too.
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Posted: 12-09-05 09:58am
Now...If we can only get it passed. :o)
(lol)
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Re: Would An Artificial Womb Be Possible? Posted: 12-13-05 19:44pm
poopoopoo
wrote:
my view is that a woman has
the right to control her body. That
means, if she does not want to be
pregnant, she should have the right to
abort.
how about better teach women that if they
want to have sex and not be pregnant they
should use birth control? Is it that
impossible? I believe in treating the
cure and not putting bandaids.
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Posted: 12-13-05 20:30pm
I became pregnant on an iud.. They are as
effective as sterilization, and I still
became pregnant. Fewer than 1 in 1,000
women become pregnant on them. I was
using birth control, a super effective
kind too.
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Re: Would An Artificial Womb Be Possible? Posted: 12-13-05 22:50pm
nightangel73
wrote:
poopoopoo
wrote:
my view is that a woman has
the right to control her body. That
means, if she does not want to be
pregnant, she should have the right to
abort.
how about better teach women that if they
want to have sex and not be pregnant they
should use birth control? Is it that
impossible? I believe in treating the
cure and not putting
bandaids.
well yeah it'd be lovely if everyone
actually listened, but as was stated in
another topic, many women who become
pregnant and get abortions either can't
pay for regular prevention, are so
brainwashed into thinking that birth
control doesn't work (by pro-lifers) so
they don't bother, or can't read it, or
don't take it right, etc...
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Posted: 12-13-05 23:08pm
That is very true that there is a risk of
pregancy no matter what birth control
method one uses. That's why I believe the
ideal thing is abstinence until you are
ready to afford/care a child. (i was
abstinent until my 30's and I had bf's and
beds available) but I reckon that not
everybody likes the idea of being smart
and have self control. I think that the
number of abortions will always be reduced
if at least they use birth control
properly.
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Posted: 12-13-05 23:17pm
nightangel73
wrote:
that is very true that there
is a risk of pregancy no matter what birth
control method one uses. That's why I
believe the ideal thing is abstinence
until you are ready to afford/care a
child. (i was abstinent until my 30's
and I had bf's and beds available) but I
reckon that not everybody likes the idea
of being smart and have self control. I
think that the number of abortions will
always be reduced if at least they use
birth control
properly.
it will be, which is why I believe that
continued and better sex education is the
key, along with making birth control more
available and cheaper.
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Posted: 12-13-05 23:19pm
Most definately. Birth control, and of
course condoms, are the most important
things women can do for themselves. I
include natural family planning too for
the catholics :) it is quite effective,
and I realizenot everyone can use pills or
hormones :)
I try and teach women about the
importance of using contraception if they
want to have sex, but not have children.
I try and give women resources on where
they can get birth control inexpensively
and easily. I also try to give women
support through the hard times. I believe
wholeheartedly that birth control
education is important, but some women are
just undereducated. It is really sad, but
many teens believe you cannot get pregnant
"the first time"... There are also older
women who do not have enough education to
make wise decisions. I believe education
is important for women.
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Re: Would An Artificial Womb Be Possible? Posted: 12-14-05 09:37am
nightangel73
wrote:
poopoopoo
wrote:
my view is that a woman has
the right to control her body. That
means, if she does not want to be
pregnant, she should have the right to
abort.
how about better teach women that if they
want to have sex and not be pregnant they
should use birth control? Is it that
impossible? I believe in treating the
cure and not putting
bandaids.
don't get me wrong, your completely right,
these woman should initially take
responsiblity, but unfortunately they
.D.O.N.T. Their irresponsible and on top
of that, selfish, that is why they seek
abortions. So for those morons, it would
be nice to have artificial wombs. It's
too bad but at least it will save a
child's life, that is worth everything.
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Re: Would An Artificial Womb Be Possible? Posted: 12-14-05 10:10am
sunshine424
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
poopoopoo
wrote:
my view is that a woman has
the right to control her body. That
means, if she does not want to be
pregnant, she should have the right to
abort.
how about better teach women that if they
want to have sex and not be pregnant they
should use birth control? Is it that
impossible? I believe in treating the
cure and not putting
bandaids.
don't get me wrong, your completely right,
these woman should initially take
responsiblity, but unfortunately they
.D.O.N.T. Their irresponsible and on top
of that, selfish, that is why they seek
abortions. So for those morons, it would
be nice to have artificial wombs. It's
too bad but at least it will save a
child's life, that is worth
everything.
but what will cure all those selfish moos
who just keep having one baby after
another? They really need to be
sterilised for the good of society.
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Re: Would An Artificial Womb Be Possible? Posted: 12-14-05 10:40am
poopoopoo
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
nightangel73
wrote:
poopoopoo
wrote:
my view is that a woman has
the right to control her body. That
means, if she does not want to be
pregnant, she should have the right to
abort.
how about better teach women that if they
want to have sex and not be pregnant they
should use birth control? Is it that
impossible? I believe in treating the
cure and not putting
bandaids.
don't get me wrong, your completely right,
these woman should initially take
responsiblity, but unfortunately they
.D.O.N.T. Their irresponsible and on
top of that, selfish, that is why they
seek abortions. So for those morons, it
would be nice to have artificial wombs.
It's too bad but at least it will save a
child's life, that is worth
everything.
but what will cure all those selfish moos
who just keep having one baby after
another? They really need to be
sterilised for the good of
society.
yeah, they do.
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sunshine424
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Posted: 12-15-05 00:08am
Oh dear .God, leave it to you two.
And tell me poo, why should a woman who
takes care of her children be sterlized
for having 2, 4, or 10? I know, I know,
because she is "selfish" for wanting
children right? Rah rah, yippity yah.
Only in your hateful killing world. It's
natural to have children. That is how
population grows and we do not become
extinct. Welcome to life....Tadaaa!!!
Abortion is not natural, normal, nor good.
It's inhumane, and wrong, and evil.
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Posted: 12-15-05 00:21am
sunshine424
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oh dear .God, leave it to
you two.
And tell me poo, why should a woman who
takes care of her children be sterlized
for having 2, 4, or 10? I know, I know,
because she is "selfish" for wanting
children right? Rah rah, yippity yah.
Only in your hateful killing world. It's
natural to have children. That is how
population grows and we do not become
extinct. Welcome to life....Tadaaa!!!
Abortion is not natural, normal, nor good.
It's inhumane, and wrong, and
evil.
what!? A woman who has 2-10 wanted
children should of course not be
sterilized, as long as she not only cares
for them, but can also adequetly support
them. I don't care how much you love your
10 toddlers, if you're living in a
cardboard box.
We are no where near becoming exctint,
there are what, 6 billion of us? We can
cut down on the reproduction, believe me.
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Posted: 12-15-05 00:34am
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
oh dear .God, leave it to
you two.
And tell me poo, why should a woman who
takes care of her children be sterlized
for having 2, 4, or 10? I know, I know,
because she is "selfish" for wanting
children right? Rah rah, yippity yah.
Only in your hateful killing world.
It's natural to have children. That is
how population grows and we do not become
extinct. Welcome to life....Tadaaa!!!
Abortion is not natural, normal, nor
good. It's inhumane, and wrong, and
evil.
what!? A woman who has 2-10 wanted
children should of course not be
sterilized, as long as she not only cares
for them, but can also adequetly support
them. I don't care how much you love
your 10 toddlers, if you're living in a
cardboard box.
We are no where near becoming exctint,
there are what, 6 billion of us? We can
cut down on the reproduction, believe
me.
uh, yea, ok.....Agreed.
That's fine about cutting down on
reproduction. How about not becoming
pregnant in the first place then? Duh.
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Posted: 12-15-05 01:06am
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
oh dear .God, leave it to
you two.
And tell me poo, why should a woman who
takes care of her children be sterlized
for having 2, 4, or 10? I know, I
know, because she is "selfish" for wanting
children right? Rah rah, yippity yah.
Only in your hateful killing world.
It's natural to have children. That is
how population grows and we do not become
extinct. Welcome to life....Tadaaa!!!
Abortion is not natural, normal, nor
good. It's inhumane, and wrong, and
evil.
what!? A woman who has 2-10 wanted
children should of course not be
sterilized, as long as she not only cares
for them, but can also adequetly support
them. I don't care how much you love
your 10 toddlers, if you're living in a
cardboard box.
We are no where near becoming exctint,
there are what, 6 billion of us? We can
cut down on the reproduction, believe
me.
uh, yea, ok.....Agreed.
That's fine about cutting down on
reproduction. How about not becoming
pregnant in the first place then?
Duh.
that's what birth control is for, except
that it's not perfect. Thus, you have the
backup plan: abortion.
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Posted: 12-15-05 09:13am
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
eiri
wrote:
sunshine424
wrote:
oh dear .God, leave it to
you two.
And tell me poo, why should a woman who
takes care of her children be sterlized
for having 2, 4, or 10? I know, I
know, because she is "selfish" for wanting
children right? Rah rah, yippity yah.
Only in your hateful killing world.
It's natural to have children.
That is how population grows and we do not
become extinct. Welcome to
life....Tadaaa!!! Abortion is not
natural, normal, nor good. It's
inhumane, and wrong, and
evil.
what!? A woman who has 2-10 wanted
children should of course not be
sterilized, as long as she not only cares
for them, but can also adequetly support
them. I don't care how much you love
your 10 toddlers, if you're living in a
cardboard box.
We are no where near becoming exctint,
there are what, 6 billion of us? We
can cut down on the reproduction, believe
me.
uh, yea, ok.....Agreed.
That's fine about cutting down on
reproduction. How about not becoming
pregnant in the first place then?
Duh.
that's what birth control is for, except
that it's not perfect. Thus, you have
the backup plan:
abortion.
nope. Backup plan should not include
killing the baby. Backup plan should be:
deal with it and raise it as your own,
because it is.
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Posted: 12-15-05 11:10am
sunshine424
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nope. Backup plan should not include
killing the baby. Backup plan should be:
deal with it and raise it as your own,
because it
is.
oh yes, just what we need -- women who do
not have the resources or capability of
looking after a kid, who don't want it.
They should just raise it, uh huh, that's
going to produce a lot more happy,
well-adjusted people. Because being
brought up by someone who would rather you
had never been born is a great thing for a
person.
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Posted: 12-15-05 11:10am
whatisupwiththat
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sunshine424
wrote:
backup plan should not
include killing the baby.
abortions don't kill baby.
@@
thank you. :)
but remember, it's not a baby till it
implants, before that, it's still okay to
kill it! <-- sarcasm
