Sparklepixie,
if you have been in a stable commited relationship since you were 15, then why have you decided to put off getting married for a couple of years? Is it because you are not ready? And you were not in a long term relationship when you were 15. Unless you had been with him since you were 10.

Well why rush into things? She doesnt have to get married yet for *her own reasons* which arent anyones business. Maybe she wants to save for a big wedding, maybe when shes done with school. Its her choice. And its not nice to question the way anyone talks. She is from england, so of course they talk different. I love the way she talks. And liz is going to be 19. She has been with her guy since 15. Not 10.
Liz is very smart and hasnt had a baby yet. She is a very great person still in school and waiting to get married at the right age and then start a family.
I agree with saturn, you can do what you want. But waiting is the best choice. Til a women is ready. But is a women ever really ready? Is anyone ever financially stable? Not really, unless you are filthy rich. Like my boss' wife said "youre never ready, and if you keep putting it off, then youll never have kids and then youll be to old to have them. So do it when you are young, yet older. At about 22. When you have a career."

Nikki-i love u huni! Ur so great!
Heather-'thick' means dumb,stupid (over here that is)
i've been with my guy since I was 15 & im nearly 19 so that means we're in a long term relationship.Not that its ur business but the reason y we arent getting married 4 another few years is because im in the middle of a teacher training degree & want 2 w8 til we can afford 2 get married & move in 2gether.Do u know how much it costs first time buyers 2 move in2 a house in england? A bloody lot let me tell u! Most of r wages will go on r house.Its different 4 people in america,im shocked at how many people r married at 16 cos people just dont do that here (its illegal!) it seems that a lot of young americans can afford places of their own and theyre lucky cos its not like that here.
4 ur information,i wud marry my guy this second if we cud afford it but we simply cant.We have 2 wait until we both have jobs 4 a bank 2 even consider us 4 a mortgage on a house.Im a student & work part time in claire's accessories so theres no way I cud buy a house now.
Saturn-heather cant spell my name! By the way,from what u sed,it sounds like u think I have kiddies but I dont! & if I did,i'd have them when I wanted them so I wouldnt look back & regret it

Nikki- read my post again. She was saying that a sixteen year old is ready to get married and have a baby. If she really feels that way and she is so in love, why wait...Because at 18, she knows she is not ready for all that? So if she isnt ready, than why does she think other teenagers would be? And sparkly said she was in a long term relationship when she was fifteen. I said she would of had to have been with him since she was 10 for that to be true. Do you get what I mean?

Sparklypixie- what makes you think that a sixteen year old can afford a baby. Don't you thing she should finish school? Trust me, america is not some magical place where sixteen year old girls make lots of money and can afford to have babies and buy houses. I don't know where you got that from?
Ps I guess I didn't know what your name was.

I am so sorry sparklypixie, I must have had you confused with someone else! I could have sworn you had kiddies!! I am so sorry! I guess I have to kiss your feet! Lol.

No problemo saturn-i have no kiddies,i promise ya!!

Heather-i get my info about young american people being able 2 afford houses from the teen pregnancy forum & things ive watched on tv.I cud b wrong but its just the impression I get.I believe if a 16yr old gets pregnant,she shud go through with it because if she didnt want a baby,she shud have been more reponsible (and of course,if she's pregnant through rape or incest,that was not her fault & therefore,if she chooses to terminate the pregnancy,that is her choice)
basically,we're getting no where with this argument cos r opinions r obviosuly very different.
As I told u b4,i am 100% readfy 2 marry my boyfriend but unfortunately,we cannot afford it due to the situation in english property in that house prices r soaring.
All I wish 2 say now is happy christmas 2 u & acknowledge that although r opinions differ,theyre both equally valid
liz

I just read all these posts,and I agree completely with sparklypixie....I'm 16 and in a "serious long-term relationship" with my bf...We've been togetehr for a year,and he's givin me a *promise ring* that we'll be together till we can legally get married....But she's right,any woman can decide she wants to get pregnant at any time in her life....If your mature enuf to have sex,then your mature enuf to have a baby....Well at least that's the case with most....I know that right now i'm not sure _i_ would want the responsiblitie of a child,with school and everything....But if I did get pregnant,i would definetly keep it....Just because someone is "young" doesn't mean they are not fit to have/keep and raise a child

Thank u lee! U sounds like a lovely,responsible young woman.If u r pregnant,im sure u will give ur baby a lot of love cos it really doesnt matter ur circumstances or whatever as long as u have enough love 2 give that child.Ive just finished watching birth stories & it was on teen pregnancy-there were 16 & 17yr old moms & these girls adored their babies which is the most important thing.There r many young girls out there who cud juggle a job,school & motherhood & if they can I say u go girl!
Liz x

You know, I never said teenage girls didn't adore their babies, but I bet if you talked to any one of them they would tell you that they wish they had their little one later in life when they were in a better position to provide them with more. And honestly, sparklypixie you are trying to discuss a topic you don't really understand. Maybe if you had a baby when you were a teenager you would understand how hard it is. The fact that you feel it is such a cake walk shows you really don't have a clue.

Lee and sparklypixie.
It is pretty obvious that you two are young and feel like you know everything. When you are older you'll realize that things aren't always as easy as they seem.

Ok first of all,me and sparklypixie never said anything about "knowing everything" ....I know that there's a lot that I don't know still...Since i'm 16,and I have a hell of a lot more to learn in life....I'm just saying *and I think pixie iz as well* that if a "teenager" haz a child....Noone shuld look down on her for having it....No mater whut the situation or her circumstances are....As for asking a teen mother about her experience....I've talked to a lot,and I was friends with some....They have a teen mom school here where I live,and I talked to a lot of them...Not one ever said that they regret having their child....That they love them no matter what....Some of them have 3 or 4....That may seem "irresonsible" or w/e u wanna call it,2 u....But it's their/our lives....There are many reasons why and why not that "teens" shouldn't have kids,but if they're responsible enuf and emotionally capable of having sex,then i'm sure they can handle a child....

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No matter what anyone says I don't feel like we should be giving teenage girls any encouragement whatsoever to get pregnant on purpose. We should encourage them to do well in school, grow and learn new things about themselves, about society, about what they really want from life. To spend the few years that they have to be young, being independent and free. And not to allow themselves the become tied down with the stesses of adulthood before their time.
If a young girl gets pregnant, even though protection was used then that is one thing, but to be careless and have unprotected sex in the heat of the moment, does show a great deal of responsibility. So please don't say that if your mature enough to have sex than you are mature enough to have a baby because that is just not true.
Like redrose said, her situation is not the norm and sadly the scenario with her sister in law is. Sparlypixie and lee. Nobody posted that teen girls regretted having their babies.

Heather-get over it!! Just accept every1 has different views/opinions & get on with it! This is getting silly!
Bye!

I am 22, nearly 23 and I can say that at 16, I wanted a baby. I thought I could take care of it and raise it all on my own. Lord knows I am not the same person as I was when I was 16!!! That is probably why I never got pregnant when I was trying, and thank god I didn't! I had a boyfriend when I was 16 (whom i'd been dating for 3 years prior), thought I would be with him and love him forever, and now I don't even know where he is!!! My outlook and views have totally changed without me even realizing it! There is no way I could have supported a child and given him or her the life they would have deserved. Fighting about this is silly. You're all entitled to your opinions. Some I agree with more than others....But in any case, there is no doubt that at 16 you would love your baby, but you could not provide for it the way you could if you wait, and give yourself time to grow a bit more. I have been married for nearly 3 years and have lost 3 babies. It makes me so mad that some people can have babies when they're not truly ready, and financially & emotionally stable families have trouble starting their families. Thank goodness for me, we now know what the problem is, but please, take heed and wait a while. You probably can't fathom it now, but trust me, you will change as a person a lot over the next few years. No matter what you decide, best of luck.
Lots o' love...Kate

I have to agree with heather in that anyone can have sex and get pregnant, but that does not mean they will be responsible enough to raise their child. I will say that I know 30 year olds who aren't the greatest parents, so yes it is possible to be a teenager and be a good mom. But I don't think a 16 year old could be as good of a mom as someone who is older and more mature. They can't personally provide stability, etc... I know they can love their babies as much as anyone else. But love doesn't supersuede all other things. This mentality is very immature and just reinforces how not prepared for the real world teenagers are.

Thank you farah and dismaleuphoria. I am so glad to hear from other people besides love sick teenagers! :d :d

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Seriously, grow up! Go bug someone else for awhile.

Seriously though,r opinions differ & thats not a problem cos every1 thinks differently about different issues.Im willing 2 end this debate if u r.I hope things go well 4 u in ur life.
God bless
liz