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Q: the Breast Cancer Lie?
asked by: DdMd on November 3rd, 2005
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If you are interested, take the time to read.

If you are pro choice, doesn't that mean you want women to have the right to choose whether or not they will have an abortion. If they have the right to choose, shouldn't they be informed properly? If they are informed properly, doesn't that mean presenting both sides of the debate in an unbiased way, and allowing the woman to make up her own mind? When I hear talk of this "breast cancer lie", I wonder if this is being spoken in an unbiased way? Have you all really studied the research? Or, do you think all of the research scientists are pro life? The following is factual, and unbiased. Just follow the research...Because of the rapid growth of breast tissue in early pregnancy, a premature cessation of pregnancy, such as that caused by abortion, creates an unnatural condition. Consequently, women who have first trimester abortions face twice the risk of contraction breast cancer as those who complete their pregnancies and give birth. The leading authority on the connection of abortion and breast cancer is Dr. Joel brind, professor of endocrinology, department of natural sciences, baruch college of the city university of new york. He is the author of comprehensive review and meta-analysis of the abortion/breast cancer link. Dr. Brind says "the single most avoidable risk factor for breast cancer is induced abortion". In his testimony before the reproductive health drugs advisory committee of the food and drug administration, Dr. Brind said,
"only induced abortion---not spontaneous abortion---is consistently linked to the incidence of breast cancer. The biological basis of this difference is also clear: most spontaneous abortions are characterized by subnormal ovarian estradiol secretion. It is the surge of estradiol early in a normal pregnancy which provides an estrogen overexposure by which most known risk factors increase breast cancer risk.
Induced abortion increases breast cancer risk independently of its effect in delaying first full-term pregnancy. An early full-term pregnancy decreases breast cancer risk. Since induced abortion also abrogates this protective effect, it raises breast cancer risk in two ways for young nulliparous women."
a 1997 new england journal of medicine article by mads melbye and others claimed that the abortion breast cancer connection wasn't valid. "there is no increased risk of breast cancer for the average woman who has had an abortion," the author told the wall street journal.

The new york times echoed the reassuring counsel that women "need not worry about the risk of breast cancer" when considering abortion. But why had the same sources not reported the results of 10 out of the 11 previous studies on the subject, nearly all of them more significant than Dr. Melbye's, which had found a significant increase of breast cancer among women who had had abortions? According to Dr. Brind, the scientific community has know for over twenty years that early abortion is a risk factor for breast cancer. Dozens of studies have been published confirming this. Yet this information has not even been acknowledged in the literature of the american cancer society. These studies show that aborting a first pregnancy during the first trimester can double a woman's risk of breast cancer. Multiple abortions can triple or quadruple the risk. In a national review article, Dr. Brind asks what seems to be a reasonable question: "if there is a way to reduce the incidence of breast cancer, shouldn't american women be told about it?"
if you need more sources, I have plenty.

Looking through these forums, I notice many women being encouraged to kill their unborn child. The pro choice side claims to want women to have a choice, yet they so adamantly push abortion...Where is the choice in that? Everyone has the right to express their own opinions, but shouldn't all of our ultimate goals be for the mother not to kill her child. Isn't that what "choice" is...Giving the mother all of her available options...And all of the possible (researched backed) outcomes of abortion from both sides, or, are some scared of the truth because it doesn't fit their agenda. You may say that I push my beliefs on people (even though I have stuck to the legitimate research) but shouldn't life be a natural thing to advocate for? It takes a selfless person to be a good mother, but much of this generation only thinks of self.

I welcome your replies, but please refrain from embarrassing yourself by using explicative language. Thank you.
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DdMd
replied on November 3rd, 2005
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I don't want to force anyone to do anything. I believe anyone who is interested has the right to read the research.

If the research points to an elevated risk of cancer in women who have miscarriages, show me. If it's valid, I will except it, and inform others.

"only induced abortion---not spontaneous abortion---is consistently linked to the incidence of breast cancer."...
------dr. Joel brind, text of oral testimony given before the reproductive health drugs advisory committee of the food and drug administration at its public meeting of july 19, 1996, www.Epm.Org/brindtest.Html

are you saying that if there is a greater chance of cancer from an abortion that you would not want to inform someone?
I think all women should know this.

Cancer isn't all. Along with an abortion comes many physical risks.
Ectopic pregnancies are twice as high.
Pelvic inflammatory disease (pid) reported in 30% of all abortions.
Health of future children are at risk.
These and more are topics for another day.
This is not scare tactics, scare tactics to me would be not informing women, yet it is so common to hear what "mindkandy" said of the abortion clinic.
Abortion is the only surgery for which the surgeon is not obligated to inform the patient of the possible risks of the procedure, or even the exact nature of the procedure. Abortion providers are the only medical personnel who have a "constitutional right" to withhold information, even when directly questioned by the patient.
----reardon, aborted women, 234.

Feel free to check out all the research for yourself.
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DdMd
replied on November 3rd, 2005
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I know, jlee77
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jenn_smithson
replied on November 3rd, 2005
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"the largest, and probably the most reliable, single study of this topic was conducted during the 1990s in denmark, a country with very detailed medical records on all its citizens. In that study, all danish women born between 1935 and 1978 (1.5 million women) were linked with the national registry of induced abortions and with the danish cancer registry. So all information about their abortions and their breast cancer came from registries, was very complete, and was not influenced by recall bias.

After adjusting for known breast cancer risk factors, the researchers found that induced abortion(s) had no overall effect on the risk of breast cancer. the size of this study and the manner in which it was conducted provides substantial evidence that induced abortion does not affect a woman's risk of developing breast cancer."
(http://www.Cancer.Org/docroot/cri/content /cri_2_6x_can_having_an_abortion_cause_or_ contribute_to_breast_cancer.Asp)

"in february 2003, the us national cancer institute (nci) convened a workshop of over 100 of the world’s leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk. The experts reviewed existing human and animal studies on the relationship between pregnancy and breast cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions. Among their conclusions were:

-breast cancer risk is transiently (temporarily) increased after a term pregnancy (resulting in the birth of a living child).

-induced abortion is not associated with an increase in breast cancer risk.

-recognized spontaneous abortion is not associated with an increase in breast cancer risk.
the level of scientific evidence for these conclusions was considered to be "well established" (the highest level)."
(http://www.Cancer.Org/docroot/cri/content /cri_2_6x_can_having_an_abortion_cause_or_ contribute_to_breast_cancer.Asp)

"the collaborative group on hormonal factors in breast cancer, based out of oxford university in england, recently put together the results from 53 separate studies conducted in 16 different countries. These studies included about 83,000 women with breast cancer. After combining and reviewing the results from these studies, the researchers concluded that "the totality of worldwide epidemiological evidence indicates that pregnancies ending as either spontaneous or induced abortions do not have adverse effects on women's subsequent risk of developing breast cancer."
(http://www.Cancer.Org/docroot/cri/content /cri_2_6x_can_having_an_abortion_cause_or_ contribute_to_breast_cancer.Asp)

from the national cancer institute:"these newer studies examined large numbers of women, collected data before breast cancer was found, and gathered medical history information from medical records rather than simply from self-reports, thereby generating more reliable findings. The newer studies consistently showed no association between induced and spontaneous abortions and breast cancer risk."
(http://www.Cancer.Gov/cancertopics/factsh eet/risk/abortion-miscarriage)

regarding, Dr. Joel brind:
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in 1996-oct, Dr. Brind and three other us scientists announced the result of a statistical analysis of previous studies. 15 they selected 23 studies which involved over 60,000 women. They combined all of their results using a process known as "meta-analysis." they found "overwhelming" evidence that women who terminate a pregnancy by an abortion have a 1/3 higher chance of contracting breast cancer later in life. this particular statistical method is fraught with hazard, because the results can easily be influenced by the method of selecting which specific studies are included.

three of the four scientists in the 1996-oct study are known to be vocal opponents of abortion. They might have been biased, consciously or unconsciously, in their selection processes. many of the studies selected were case control studies, and thus were unreliable.

(http://www.Religioustolerance.Org/abo_can c.Htm)

also, I cannot possibly understand the leap that Dr. Brind takes in his statement, "only induced abortion---not spontaneous abortion---is consistently linked to the incidence of breast cancer." I cannot see how the same biological and chemical processes involved in one scenario won't be the same for the second scenario. A .Woman obtains an abortion is going through the same hormonal and biological fluctuations as a .Woman who spontaneously aborts.

Finally, even though the link, according to more recent and valid reserach, does not exist, .Women in several (if not all) states are given this misinformation in the form of "informed consent" laws.
And, i'd like the proof given for this statement please, "abortion providers are the only medical personnel who have a "constitutional right" to withhold information, even when directly questioned by the patient" as it directly contradicts the current applicable laws for my state.
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Tazzy D
replied on November 4th, 2005
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Thank you for the information!
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Tylanas
replied on November 4th, 2005
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I have seen comments in posts, quotes from sites I believe, saying there is a possible link between giving birth and a reduction in the chances of breast cancer and a subsequent corrolation between not giving birth (through miscarriage or abortion) and an increased chance for breast cancer. I personally believe that's bunk, since there's no proof. But I can verify that i've seen the "info" on this forum.
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jenn_smithson
replied on November 4th, 2005
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ddmd wrote:
http://www.Abortionbreastcancer.Com/
do you have any valid, unbiased sites? Perhaps sites from medical journals, medical schools, or medical societies?

The .American .Cancer .Society can be found at www.Cancer.Org. Their site is very user friendly.

The .National .Cancer. Institute, funded and controlled by the government, can be found at www.Cancer.Gov.

The .Centers for .Disease .Control, also funded and controlled by the government, can be found at www.Cdc.Gov. They have great links to other cancer sites on their page.

The .American .College of .Obstetricians and .Gynecologists can be found at www.Acog.Org. Their site is less user friendly but full of good, valid, scientifically accurate research.

As posted in the quotes above, many of the studies used in the past which pointed to a link between breast cancer and abortion, were invalid or less valid than more recent studies for a variety of methodological flaws. Recent, accepted research continues to find no causal link between abortion and breast cancer.
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jenn_smithson
replied on November 4th, 2005
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jlee77 wrote:
as I have said, this is why the link between abortion and breast cancer is questionable. You have sources they say abortion increases the risk and some say it doesn't. The sources posted here from what I see are valid.
if you will notice from the quotes that I posted, the .American .Cancer .Society, the .National .Cancer .Institute, and the .American .College of .Obstetricians and .Gynecologists, thoroughly explained the methodological flaws in the past research that pointed to a link. The recent research has found no causal link between abortion and breast cancer.
jlee wrote:
so who knows the answer?
you are, of course, capable of believing whatever you wish. However, the qualified medical communities accepted response is stated in the quotes above.
jlee wrote:
nonetheless, it's yet another reason to not get an abortion.
whatever reason you need. I can say with some certainty that even though .Women are given this misinformation in the guise of "informed consent", it does not stop them from obtaining an abortion.
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Tazzy D
replied on November 4th, 2005
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Honestly no one will ever know what causes what or what can actually cure something forever...
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DdMd
replied on November 4th, 2005
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Studies which reported more than a twofold elevation in risk



* m. Segi, et al "an epidemiological study on cancer in japan," gann, vol. 48, supplement: april, 1957.
* pike et al (1981) br journal of cancer 43 oral contraceptive use and early abortion as risk factors for breast cancer in young women
* nishiyama (1982) shikoku ichi 38: 333-43 (in japanese)
* laing et al (1993) j national med assoc. 85:931-9 breast cancer risk factors in african - american women: the howard university tumor resistry experience.
* laing et al (1994) genetic epidemiology 11:a300
* rohan et al. Am j epidemiol 1988 sep;128(3):478-89
a population-based case-control study of diet and breast cancer in australia.
* bu et al. (1995) am j epidemiol 141:s85

other studies which show increased risk

* ye et al. (2002) br j cancer 87:977-981
* brinton et al. (1983) br. Journal of cancer 47:757-62
reproductive factors in the etiology of breast cancer.
* rosenburg et al. (1988) am j epidemiology 127:981-9
breast cancer in relation to the occurrence and time of induced and spontaneous abortion.
* marcus et al. Am j public health 1999 aug; 89(8):1244-7
adolescent reproductive events and subsequent breast cancer risk.
* palmer et al. (1997) cancer causes control 8:841-9
induced and spontaneous abortion in relation to risk of breast cancer.
* lazovich et al. Epidemiology 2000 jan;11(1):76-80
induced abortion and breast cancer risk.
* daling et al. Am j epidemiol 1996 aug 15;144(4):373-80
risk of breast cancer among white women following induced abortion.
* daling et al. J natl cancer inst 1994 nov 2;86(21):1584-92
risk of breast cancer among young women: relationship to induced abortion.
* laing et al. J natl med assoc 1993 dec;85(12):931-9
breast cancer risk factors in african-american women: the howard university tumor registry experience.
* white et al. (1994) j natl cancer inst 86:505-14
breast cancer among young u.S. Women in relation to oral contraceptive use.
* newcomb et al. (1996) jama 275:283-7
pregnancy termination in relation to risk of breast cancer.
* howe et al. Int j epidemiol 1989 jun;18(2):300-4
early abortion and breast cancer risk among women under age 40.
* andrieu et al. Br j cancer 1995 sep;72(3):744-51
familial risk, abortion and their interactive effect on the risk of breast cancer--a combined analysis of six case-control studies.
* hirohata et al. (1985) natl cancer inst monogr 69:187-90
occurrence of breast cancer in relation to diet and reproductive history: a case-control study in medical answer, japan.
* ewertz & duffy (1988) br j cancer 68:99-104
risk of breast cancer in relation to reproductive factors in denmark.
* lipworth et al. (1995) int j cancer 61:181-4
abortion and the risk of breast cancer: a case-control study in greece
* rookus & van leeuwan j natl cancer inst 88:1759-64
induced abortion and risk for breast cancer: reporting (recall) bias in a dutch case-control study
* talamini et al. (1996) eur j cancer 32a:303-10
the role of reproductive and menstrual factors in cancer of the breast before and after menopause
* watanabe & hirayama (1968) nippon rinsho 26:1853-9
* dvoirin & medvedev (1978) meth prog breast cancer epidemiol res, tallin 1978. Ussr acad sci pp 53-63 (in russian)
* le et al., (1984) british j cancer 72:744-51
* luporsi (1988) british j cancer 72:744-51
* wu et al. (1996) br j cancer 73:680-6
* robertson c, van den donk m, primic-zakelj, macfarlanet, boyle p. The association between induced and spontaneous abortion and risk of breast cancer in slovenian women aged 25-54. Breast 2001; 10:291-8.


Studies showing link between delayed first full term pregnancy and breast cancer


* russo et al. Breast cancer res treat 1992;23(3):211-8
influence of age and parity on the development of the human breast.
* macmahon, b. Et al "age at first birth and breast cancer risk,"
bull. Wld health org., 1970; (43-209-21) study reported "it is estimated that women having their first child when aged under 18 years have only about one-third the breast cancer risk of those whose first birth is delayed until the age of 35 or more." its data also revealed a "suggested increased risk associated with abortion -- contrary to the reduction in risk associated with full-term births."


* macmahon, b. Et al "age at first birth and breast cancer risk," (same as above) bull. Wld health org., 1970; (43-209-21) study reported "it is estimated that women having their first child when aged under 18 years have only about one-third the breast cancer risk of those whose first birth is delayed until the age of 35 or more." its data also revealed a "suggested increased risk associated with abortion -- contrary to the reduction in risk associated with full-term births."
* segi m., et al "an epidemiological study on cancer in japan," gann, vol. 48, supplement: april, 1957segi et al (1957) gann 48 (suppl) : 1-63

studies which did not show an increased risk:

* sanderson m, shu x-o, jin f, dai q, wen w, hua y, gao y-t, zheng w. Abortion history and breast cancer risk: results from the shanghai breast cancer study. Int j cancer 2001;92:899-905
* moseson et al. (1993) int j epidemiology 22:1000-9
the influence of medical conditions associated with hormones
on the risk of breast cancer.
* melbye et al. N engl j med 1997 jan 9; 336(2):81-5
induced abortion and the risk of breast cancer
* burany (1979) jugosl genekol opstet 19:237-47 (serbo-craot)
* la vecchia et al. (1993) int j cancer 53:215-9
* zaridze et al (1988) "unpublished" and referenced in br j cancer 72:744-51
* sanderson et al. Amer j epidemiology, june 1, 2000;151 (11)
abortion history and breast cancer risk: results from the shanghai breast cancer study.
* adami et al. (1990) br j cancer 62:122-6
absence of association between reproductive variables and the risk of breast cancer in young women in sweden and norway.
* newcomb pa, mandelson mt. A record-based evaluation of induced abortion and breast cancer risk (united states). Cancer causes control 2000; 11:777-81.1
* goldacre mj, kurina lm, seagroatt v, yeaates. Abortion and breast cancer: a case-control record linkage study. J epidem community health 2001;55:336-7.
* mahue-giangreco m. Ursin g. Sullivan-halley j. Bernstein l. "induced abortion, miscarriage, and breast cancer risk of young women." cancer epidemiology biomarkers & prevention vol. 12, 209-214, march 2003.
* erlandsson g. Montgomery s. Cnattingius s. Ekbom a. Abortions and breast cancer: record-based case-control study. Int j cancer (2003) 103:676-679.
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Tazzy D
replied on November 4th, 2005
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Wow... Well I have just been studying breast cancer but I still dont know everything or enough
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Tylanas
replied on November 5th, 2005
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tazzy d wrote:
honestly no one will ever know what causes what or what can actually cure something forever...


uh... Hello, polio anyone? We found a cure for that, duh.
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Meandering Away
replied on November 5th, 2005
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Sorry eiri I have to disagree,we found a vaccine for polio not a cure.A preventive rather than cure.There are some things we will never cure I don't think anyway and there is not enough money put into researching cancer and the causes,we all have the cancer gene in us why not figure a way to sort that gene from ever becoming active and that should sort it.
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Tazzy D
replied on November 5th, 2005
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eiri wrote:
tazzy d wrote:
honestly no one will ever know what causes what or what can actually cure something forever...


uh... Hello, polio anyone? We found a cure for that, duh.


there may be cures but not a cure for life
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christy_babe
replied on November 5th, 2005
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tazzy d wrote:
eiri wrote:
tazzy d wrote:
honestly no one will ever know what causes what or what can actually cure something forever...


uh... Hello, polio anyone? We found a cure for that, duh.


there may be cures but not a cure for life
wouldn't death be a sufficient cure for life?
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sandyallen
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Ddmd
1st place, welcome!
2nd place, I would like you to understand that pro-choice is not about hating, it is about understanding, caring that a pregnant female has a choice to continue on with th pregnancy or to terminate the pregnancy, she also has the right to get herself educated on her choices.
Anyone can get breast cancer, including males, their is always a 50% chance, so how can you say that their is a higher% chance in females who had an abortion do get breast cancer. I do agree, that is a lie!
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Tazzy D
replied on November 6th, 2005
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christy_babe wrote:
tazzy d wrote:
eiri wrote:
tazzy d wrote:
honestly no one will ever know what causes what or what can actually cure something forever...


uh... Hello, polio anyone? We found a cure for that, duh.


there may be cures but not a cure for life
wouldn't death be a sufficient cure for life?

im not talking about life itself.. Im talking about cures for like aids, cancer and etc. There may be an antidote or an antibotic, but nothing has been intorduced to really cure these type of issues for the remainder of a persons life
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msrosie
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stillmehere wrote:
jlee77 wrote:
my .Grandma died of it and it runs in my family.


well she deserved it. All those abortions she had.


i think this is uncalled for and you owe jlee an apology.
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Tazzy D
replied on November 6th, 2005
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She will never admit that she is wrong..
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DdMd
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Re: Ddmd
sandyallen wrote:
anyone can get breast cancer, including males, their is always a 50% chance, so how can you say that their is a higher% chance in females who had an abortion do get breast cancer. I do agree, that is a lie!


one in every 100 breast cancer cases is a man.

Which men are most at risk?

* over 65
* african-american
* those exposed to radiation therapy
* those with family history of breast cancer


a 40-year-old woman has a 1.6 percent chance of getting breast cancer before age 50.

When she turns 50, the odds increase slightly to a 2.4 percent chance of having the disease by age 60. At 60, the chances of breast cancer before age 70 rise to 3.6 percent.

A 70-year-old woman runs a 3.9 percent chance of developing breast cancer before age 80. For a woman of 80, the risk actually starts to drop, largely because other diseases are more likely to claim her life. The 80-year-old's risk is 3.4 percent.

80-85 percent of breast cancer cases happen in women with no family history of breast cancer.

The number of breast cancer cases rose sharply after 1973 when abortion became legalized.

Breast cancer was hardly heard of before the 1960's when doctors began giving women hormone therapy.

The american cancer society says that cancer is 85 percent 'lifestyle' caused.

Here are some things which greatly increase your chances of getting breast cancer.

* having an abortion (raises the risk of breast cancer up to 275 percent - this is the greatest avoidable risk!)
* taking the birth control pill (estrogen)
* taking hormones for menopause
* smoking cigarettes
* drinking alcohol
* prolonged dieting or semi starvation (less than 1800 calories a day for women, less than 2500 calories a day for men)

here are some things which slightly increase your chance of getting breast cancer

* family history of breast cancer (1-2 percent increased risk)
* mammogram

here are some things which will reduce your risks for all cancer including breast cancer

* following a low fat - high fiber diet
* aerobic exercising 5-6 days a week, 30-40 minutes a day
* not taking hormones for menopause or the birth control pill
* not having an abortion (the more abortions, the greater the risk of breast cancer)
* getting enough calcium in the diet (1200 mg a day)
* taking vitamin e (200 -600 i.U. Daily)

why does having an abortion so greatly increase the chance of getting breast cancer?

When you first become pregnant (before you even know you are pregnant), your body does many things to prepare you to carry and take care of a baby. One thing done is to increase the tissue in the breasts. When the new tissue first grows in, it is, what the doctors call, 'undifferentiated' meaning that it's not really breast tissue yet. During the pregnancy for several months, your body changes this new tissue to breast tissue to prepare you for nursing your baby. When you have an abortion, you become 'unpregnant' in five minutes (most early abortions like suction abortions). This confuses your body and it doesn't get rid of the 'undifferentiated' tissue it has formed in your breasts. That tissue remains there and is a prime candidate (like any stray growth) for breast cancer.

Does having a miscarriage (when the body naturally aborts a pregnancy) increase my chances of breast cancer?

No, women who have had miscarriages do not have a higher risk of breast cancer according to several studies observing thousands of women. This may be because since the body has naturally aborted the pregnancy, it takes care of the 'other details' like removing the undifferentiated tissue from the breasts.
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