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lesstalkmorock

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Candida Albicans (yeast Infection)...22yr Old Male
Posted: 10-30-05 18:29pm

Hi ive posted before about symptoms ive been having. Im a 22 year old male with a long list of symptoms. Ive been to multiple doctors and undergone multiple tests that all came back negative. I decided to switch routes and went to see a naturopathic physician who diagnosed me with a yeast infection. Im taking similase, mycostate, gi capsuls, and vital plex. Ive also been on a diet for 3 weeks not eating sugars, breads, or drinking alchohol. Im posting to find out more information like...Has anyone else had this type of problem? How long can I expect for the yeast to go away?
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dave
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Posted: 03-16-06 23:00pm

Dave,

i'm sorry you're feeling awful and no doctor can explain why. Naturopathic "physicians" are usually quacks, certainly if they talk about yeast infections. Telling people they have a "yeast infection" is their bread and butter, interesting that every healthy person has the same "symptoms". Unless someone has hiv/aids they don't get systemic problems with yeast. Even if you took potent oral antifungal pills, you would never be yeast-free. No one is.

Mycostat? An antifungal additive for animal feed?
Http://www.Agil.Com/safe ty_mycostat.Htm

h ttp://www.Quackwatch.Org/01quackeryrelated topics/candida.Html
dubious "yeast allergies"

stephen barrett, m.D.

Candida albicans (sometimes referred to as monilia) is a fungus normally present on the skin and in the mouth, intestinal tract, and vagina. Under certain conditions, it can multiply and infect the surface of the skin or mucous membranes. Such infections are usually minor, but serious and deeper infections can occur, especially in patients whose resistance has been weakened by immunosuppressant drugs and serious illnesses such as aids. However, some practitioners claim that even when clinical signs of infection are absent, yeast-related problems can cause or trigger multiple symptoms such as fatigue, irritability, constipation, diarrhea, abdominal bloating, mood swings, depression, anxiety, dizziness, unexpected weight gain, difficulty in concentrating, muscle and joint pain, cravings for sugar or alcoholic beverages, psoriasis, hives, respiratory and ear problems, menstrual problems, infertility, impotence, bladder infections, prostatitis, and "feeling bad all over." the list of symptoms is similar to that of multiple chemical sensitivity (mcs).

According to its promoters -- some of whom practice "clinical ecology" -- one out of three americans suffers from yeast-related illness, which they refer to as chronic candidiasis, candidiasis hypersensitivity, candida-related complex, the yeast syndrome, yeast allergy, yeast overgrowth, or simply "candida" or "yeast problem." many clinical ecologists view this alleged problem as an underlying cause of mcs. It is also touted as an important factor in aids, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, and schizophrenia, as well as "hypoglycemia," "mercury-amalgam toxicity" and at least twenty other conditions. In recent years, proponents have suggested that chronic fatigue syndrome and candida infections are closely related [1]. This article uses the term "candidiasis hypersensitivity" in quotation marks to indicate that neither infection nor actual allergy is present.

The leading promoters of "candidiasis hypersensitivity" have been c. Orian truss, m.D., of birmingham, alabama and william g. Crook, m.D., of jackson, tennessee. Truss put forth his concepts with a series of articles that began in 1978 in the journal of orthomolecular psychiatry, an offbeat publication that caters to physicians who prescribe large amounts of vitamins to emotionally disturbed patients. In 1982, he self-published a book called the missing diagnosis. [2].

Crook, who died in october 2002, stated that he began treating and communicating about yeast problems in 1979 after reading one of truss's papers. In 1983, he published the first edition of his book the yeast connection [3], which he said was inspired by a television appearance that drew 7,300 requests for further information. Two years later, he established the international health foundation to help respond to the requests he kept generating. The foundation's goals were to "work to obtain credibility for the relationship of candida albicans to a diverse group of health disorders" and "helping children with repeated ear infections, hyperactivity, attention deficits and related behavior and learning problems." (he also espoused a variety of unconventional theories about allergies being at the root of these problems.) during the early 1990s, a booklet describing these goals listed tipper gore as a member of the foundation's 33-person advisory board [4]. In 1998, truss and crook launched an organization called the candida and dysbiosis information foundation.

The yeast connection states: "if a careful check-up doesn't reveal the cause for your symptoms, and your medical history [as described in his book] is typical, it's possible or even probable that your health problems are yeast-connected." the book also states that tests such as cultures don't help much in diagnosis because "candida germs live in every person's body . . . Therefore the diagnosis is suspected from the patient's history and confirmed by his response to treatment."

crook claimed that the problem arises because "antibiotics kill 'friendly germs' while they're killing enemies, and when friendly germs are knocked out, yeast germs multiply. Diets rich in carbohydrates and yeasts, birth control pills, cortisone, and other drugs also stimulate yeast growth." he also claimed that the yeasts produce toxins that weaken the immune system, which is also adversely affected by nutritional deficiencies, sugar consumption, and exposure to environmental molds and chemicals. To correct these alleged problems, he prescribes allergenic extracts, antifungal drugs, vitamin and mineral supplements, and diets that avoid refined carbohydrates, processed foods, and (initially) fruits and milk.

Crook's concepts are a mixture of fact and fancy. It is correct that antibiotics, birth control pills, and certain other drugs can stimulate overgrowth of yeasts, most commonly in the vagina. However:

* a yeast problem should not be diagnosed without definite clinical signs of an infection. The signs of a local infection, for example, can include itching, soreness, rash, and a discharge.
* if an infection is present, treatment with an antifungal drug makes sense. However, the rest of crook's recommendations are senseless whether an infection is present or not.

Severe criticism

the american academy of allergy, asthma and immunology has strongly criticized the concept of "candidiasis hypersensitivity syndrome" and the diagnostic and treatment approaches its proponents use. Aaaai's position statement concludes: (1) the concept of candidiasis hypersensitivity is speculative and unproven; (2) its basic elements would apply to almost all sick patients at some time because its supposed symptoms are essentially universal; (3) overuse of oral antifungal agents could lead to the development of resistant germs that could menace others; (4) adverse effects of oral antifungal agents are rare, but some inevitably will occur; and (5) neither patients nor doctors can determine effectiveness (as opposed to coincidence) without controlled trials. Because allergic symptoms can be influenced by many factors, including emotions, experiments must be designed to separate the effects of the procedure being tested from the effects of other factors [5]. Several years ago, crook told me that he had no intention of conducting a controlled test because he was "a clinician, not a researcher."

the antifungal drug most often prescribed by proponents of "candidiasis hypersensitivity" is nystatin (mycostatin, nilstat), which seldom has significant side effects. However, they also prescribe ketoconazole (nizoral), which has an incidence of liver toxicity (hepatitis) of about 1 in 10,000. The liver injury usually reverses when the drug is discontinued, but ketoconazole has been responsible for several deaths. For this reason it should be prescribed only for serious infections. Both of these drugs are expensive [6]. In a double-blind trial, the antifungal drug nystatin did no better than a placebo in relieving systemic or psychological symptoms of "candidiasis hypersensitivity syndrome." [7] a study of 100 consecutive chronic fatigue patients found no differences in historical, physical, or laboratory findings among those who believed their problem was yeast-related and those who did not [8].
Problems reported

in 1986, two doctors from loyola university stritch school of medicine reported seeing four young women whose nonspecific complaints included chronic fatigue, anxiety, and depression. All four mistakenly believed they had disseminated candidiasis and were taking nystatin or ketoconazole, which had been prescribed by their family physicians. All had read the yeast connection and had carried the book into the office during their visits. One patient on ketoconazole had hepatitis, which resolved when the drug was stopped [9].

Worse yet, a case has been reported of a child with a severe case of disseminated candidiasis who had been seen by a "candida doctor" and given inadequate treatment. The report concluded that "the advice of yeast connection advocates may be inappropriate even for illnesses in which candida is implicated." [10]

perhaps the saddest report was a letter in a health-food magazine from a woman appealing for help and encouragement. She said that a clinical ecologist had been treating her for allergies and candida for four years, that initial tests showed she "was allergic to all foods" as well as to numerous chemicals and inhalants, and that so far nothing had helped.
Dubious diagnostic questionnaires

the yeast connection contains a 70 or 90-item "candida questionnaire" and score sheet to determine how likely it is that health problems are yeast-connected. Crook has marketed several versions to physicians who accept his theories. The documents state,"if your point score is over 180, candida almost certainly plays a role in causing your health problems." scores over 120 mean "candida probably plays a role," 60 to 120 means it "possibly plays a role," and scores under 60 mean it is "less apt" to play a significant roll.

Shorter questionnaires have appeared in magazine articles, ads for products sold through health food stores, and flyers used by chiropractors. The most notorious were used as marketing devices by nature's way, of springville utah, whose product cantrol, was a conglomeration of capsules containing acidophilus, evening primrose oil, vitamin e, linseed oil, caprylic acid, pau d'arco, and several other substances.

Under federal law, any product intended for the prevention or treatment of disease is a drug, and it is illegal to market new drugs that do not have fda approval. In 1989, the fda's health fraud branch issued instructions and a sample regulatory letter indicating that it was illegal to market vitamin products intended for treating yeast infections. In 1990, nature's way and its president, kenneth murdock, settled an ftc complaint by signing a consent agreement to stop making unsubstantiated claims that cantrol is helpful against yeast infections caused by candida albicans.

Nature's way promoted cantrol with several versions of a self-test -- one of which is pictured below -- based on common symptoms the manufacturer claimed were associated with yeast problems. The ftc charged that the test was not valid for this purpose. The company also agreed to pay $30,000 to the national institutes of health to support research on yeast infections [11].

This questionnaire was part of a health-food store display nature's way distributed in 1986.
Do you know many people who would not answer "yes" to at least three questions?

This action and several others have driven most of the "anti-candida" concoctions from the marketplace and stopped their direct promotion to the public. However, the ingredients of these products are still marketed individually as "dietary supplements" and practitioners still prescribe them to their patients.

In 1990, the new jersey state attorney general secured consent agreements barring linda choi, m.D., and pruyakant doshi, m.D., from diagnosing and treating "candida albicans overgrowth syndrome." both were assessed $3,000 for investigative costs and had their medical license placed on probation for one year. Among other things, investigation by the state medical board had concluded that "candida albicans overgrowth" was not generally recognized as a clinical entity and had not been established as the cause of the conditions the doctors treated.

I believe that practitioners who diagnose nonexistent "yeast problems" should have their licenses revoked. Some apply this diagnosis to nearly every patient they see.
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lesstalkmorock

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Posted: 03-17-06 20:39pm

Thanks a bunch for the information!
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Posted: 03-17-06 22:46pm

I ditched the naturopath months ago after being diagnosed with depression/anxiety.
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jellyfishattack

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Posted: 03-21-06 02:21am

Dave,

glad to hear the naturopath's history. I've got depression with anxiety, sometimes called atypical depression even though it's quite common. That's important to know because many psychiatrists don't know the drug combos that might work. They try one antidepressant, and don't try combinations if one drug doesn't work. In my case, it took 16 years before I finally found a psychiatrist who did. I feel almost normal now! Are you feeling better, or can I suggest some resources and drug combos?

Ok, to be more acurate atypical depression is diagnosed if someone's depressed and has 2 or more of the following symptoms: increased sleeping, increased appetitie, anxiety, sensativity to rejection, or leaden paralysis (feeling like your arms and legs are really heavy). I had them all except the last one.
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lesstalkmorock

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Posted: 03-22-06 18:17pm

Hey thanks for the post. Im taking effexor. I started feeling back to normal for about a week, but the drug hasnt really seemed to work very well, even though im taking 150 mg. I still feel tired and anxious, headaches and the heavy arms and legs thing went away after the meds. Any reccomendations?
Thanks again,
dave
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lesstalkmorock

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Posted: 03-22-06 18:22pm

Ya I still dont feel normal at all.
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jellyfishattack

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Effexor
Posted: 03-25-06 16:22pm

With me, I thought I was getting better when I first started a new antidepressant, but then realized after 2 or so weeks that that was just wishful thinking, however, I have heard that the newer drugs can work very well at first and then stop working. It seems to happen to effexor a lot.

This is a link to the texas medication implementation algorithms (tmia):
http://www.Dshs .State.Tx.Us/mhprograms/tima.Shtm
it's a good general guideline for what to try why x,y,z didn't work.

I'd ask to be on 50 micrograms of t3 - cytomel, less than 50micrograms doesn't work, and it's a low enough dose that it won't have an effect on what your thyroid normally produces. (t4 works too but you need to take more). T3 doesn't seem to have any side effects. It also speeds up response to antidepressants as well as making them more effective. Lithium does this as well.

If you've been on effexor for 6-8 weeks, you could give it more time with t3 or lithium, and then switch to another antidepressant or a combination of two. I think you can increase the effexor dose as well. Then there are the other drugs you can take in as well.
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effexor - general guidelines

posted by: christopher57
date: wednesday, 15 september 2004, at 9:41 p.M.

Effexor at any dose for more than 3 months should first be discussed with md..Reason = to avoid serotonin "crash" with all the untoward side effects..Rule of thumb...Person been taking 150xr mg 2 am = 300 mg of effexor for 6+ months..Usual reduction titration = 300 mgs to 225 first 4 days,
175 mgs next 4 days...137.5 mgs next 4 days...100 mgs next 4 days..75 mgs next 4 days...37.5 mgs next 4 days..37.5 mgs every other day fo four days

unlike most ssri's effexor produces activity within the norepenephrine synapses..Effexor should be cautiously titrated down, please discuss with your md..Effexor also has a higher tendency to "poop-out" stop working, than the standard ssri's..I have seen an unusually large amount of individuals titrate down to zero and begin zoloft @ very low doses 25 - 50 mgs daily - odd, but for some reason, individuals who did fairly well with effexor (until it feels like it just stops working after 1 to 5 years) and have had numerous experiences with just about all of the "anti-depressants" going back to tofranil, other 3 ring combo's(elavil, desyrl, serequan, etc. Used in late 60's prior to prozac (1986)and it's chemical cousins. Unless your md is a psychiatrist and a cracker-jack psychopharmacologist...Most other md's have not heard of the anomaly of effexor reduction titration (slow) to zero and then almost sub-clinical doses of zoloft..Be well...Chris57

http ://www.Rxlist.Com/rxboard/effexor.Pl?Nofra mes;read=4768
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