Yes and owning slaves was legal then aswell but that dosen't make that right does it eiri.

She knows whats roght and worng.. It is all about a persons inner soul

my thoughts exactly

I think the point of this is that those who use the bible and religion going back thousands of years to justify their viewpoint are on slightly thin ice, if that religion was perfectly okay with something a hundred years ago. Those who use religious arguments seem to like to imply that their view is chiselled into stone and it has always been that way. Eiri is just pointing out that this is not the case.

okay well that goes with abortion... Just because it was okay then doesnt mean that it is written in stone that things can or will change now.. Abortion is and will always be okay with some and not with others.. Just like religion is okay with some people and some dont believe in it.. And some are very dedicted to there beliefs..

Especially those who can not have children always wonder why someone aborted there baby when they could have given the baby to them to love and cheerish... But once again it is all a persons opinions...

Our country decided drinking was illegal too, for a while there. And what did that result in? Organized crime; the mafia. Our country makes mistakes in its legislature, and sometimes they take a long time to fix them.

But as poopoo said, my point was that those who use religion as their backing are on thin ice, as it hasn't always been that way.

Also, as for slavery: slaves were fully grown men, women, and born, fully developed as human children. No one owned embryonic slaves, lol. Remember, to me a young zef is not a fully developed human and thus doesn't have the same rights as even a 20 week old fetus.

ahh but if you check back you will find that there were zef slaves as if a female slave was pregnant then that zef belonged to her owner.I dont disagree with abortion just some of the reasons and none of it is based on a religion,as you say it sometimes takes years before they realize it was a mistake[certain laws that is] so you never know.I personally do not think it should be completely illegal but it should be brought out of the dark so everyone knows,i know people will say it is because of pro life that people keep it so secretive maybe so but they should stand up and be counted as it were and be strong in their convictions.I as a pro somethinger do not believe in acctivists standing outside clinics abusing women.

True true, but I meant more the fact that you can't make a zef work on your farm, you have to wait until it's born.

And it's okay if your views on abortion aren't clear-cut one way or the other, because abortion is a very complicated issue with a lot of grey areas and "what-if" situations. I'm glad that you're thinking nough about it to realise these things.

what a scene that conjured up and new born stood there working in a field lol

that's true and abortion on demand has been legal for long enough. I hope that the gov't will get that fixed soon.

What? You actually think drinking should be illegal? My point of that post was that abolition was a mistake, and the fix was to make alchohol legal again.

Alcohol is worse than pot and pot is illegal (well kind of up here) I think some laws are just dumb.

I dont think it should be allowed at all.. I have my reasons!!!!!!

trust me I know all about that. My aunts were addicted to prescrip pills and alcohol.

I don't drink often, but I still enjoy it when I do. I've never smoked pot, but that's because pot kills brain cells, and alchohol, from what i've heard, doesn't. Still, pot smells like skunk... Anyway, i'm sorry you're all prudes. Go live a little.

alcohol kills brain cells, and fries your liver and does a lot worse things to your body than pot. Here in mtl, you can walk down the street (in the middle of downtown) smoking a joint and no one says anything, but walk with a beer in your hand and you get stopped.

i drink even less than you do and I still enjoy it. Your child, as wonderful as he/she is, did change your prioroties and made it so you couldn't continue doing what you were doing before: for me, that is getting educated. Only 25% of .Americans even go to college, even less graduate. Why? Well, most don't get in. Then others marry, and have kids, can't pay for college, and then fail out. Or they're just dumb and they fail out (the majority). This happened to my parents: they got married, dropped out, and I popped out. They are now, 21 years later, finally getting to finish what they started. I love being alive, but it is also sad that they were unable to finish their educations when they were young.

im not a prude. I just have respect for my body which I guess you dont... And if you havent smoked pot then that would make you a prude like me correct... I have my reason why I have choosen a drug and alcohol free life... But you did say that you drinl alcohol so I guess that you are loosing brain cells no wonder you go to the clinic often

What clinic? Planned parenhood? I don't know if I told you, but i've never even been pregnant, thus i've never had an abortion. Nice assumption, there.

I haven't actually ever been anything more than tipsy at a party; being low-weight means I don' know my limits, so I just avoid them all together. I have respect for my body, thus the bc pills, and also thus why I never had sex until my current bf, whom I love, and waited a long time before having sex with him. Finally, I haven't been to a party and drank since... March I think. If not even longer.