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I read somewhere that apple cider vinegar is great for gout and arthritis.

Then I talked to a old bloke who has been both a gout sufferer and a sports & physio expert and he almost fainted when I mentioned apple cider vinegar as a gout reliever.

He said that it's very acidic and is very very bad for gout.

What gives ? Any ideas ?

Cheers,
paul
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replied October 22nd, 2005
Apple Cider Vinegar - Good Or Bad For Gout ???
Good, the old bloke should have known better. Yes it is acid but turns alkaline. Actually makes the blood ph 7.4.

Acv with the mother in it works wonders on many ailments. Make sure it has the mother in it. Best to buy from a health food store.

Search apple cider vinegar+health and read anything that says bragg.

I found this out by accident when I drank straight apple cider one season to lower my cholesterol (it did) and I found that all my aches and pains disappeared but returned when the cider season was over.

While at a health food store I opened a book on acv and it changed my life. I believe it said if you suffer from gout you will have to take it every day. Acv, honey and water is now my favorite drink.

Cheers,
fuzz
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replied April 4th, 2011
I'm new at this... what is the "mother"?
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replied October 15th, 2013
Mother is the slimy, cloudy substance or layer of film that can be seen in the vinegar. The mother is a cellulose substance made up of various Acetobacter, a very acidic strain of bacteria.

Some apple cider vinegar from the grocery stores do not have the mother, for example, the Heinz brand. Brands that has the mother includes Bragg, and are normally more expensive than those apple cider vinegar without mother.
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replied July 12th, 2011
I had a major gout attack and lasted for about 7 days until I finally took apple cider vinegar last night. Within 20 minutes, pain was almost gone. Took some more and today from scale of 1 to 10, if the pain was 10 yesterday, today it is 1.
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replied February 26th, 2013
My heart going out to all who suffer this miserable thing,you are just shot down and good for nothing but agony for days.Prescription drugs have horrific side effects,and just drinking water does not help much because your liver and kidneys are not functioning well because they are overloaded.Betonite clay is a guaranteed detox plus has good minerals your body needs.Baking soda will help alkalize your blood stream,and ACV,oh man,it just gives me the williburgers to even think about drinking it,yet 20 minutes later I can stand up.Liver and kidney's can now function as they are cleaned out and you are going to start passing some stinky urine.You ARE going to try everything else so try this too,hope it helps!
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replied February 27th, 2012
I do agree that Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar does work for aches and pains. I take it in the morning and at night. It's good for arthritis, weight loss, lowering cholesterol, lowering blood pressure and supposedly stimulates the body. I had reservations about it as I thought that the acidity was causing my hot flashes, but when I talked to the health store specialist, and later learned that this acid turns alkalide. At any rate, it had far greater positives than that of trying to avoid hot flashes! Consequently, I've chosen to stay on my Apple Cider Vinegar!
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replied March 6th, 2013
Hi Amchs,
Thanks for posting your experiences, Iam trying to find all possible relief alternatives for gout pain.
My wife is sufferring from it since quite some time and please tell me what is "mother" lot of people refering to ACV.. but what is Mother, please give reply.
Thank you,
Raao
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replied February 27th, 2012
I do agree that Braggs Apple Cider Vinegar does work for aches and pains. I take it in the morning and at night. It's good for arthritis, weight loss, lowering cholesterol, lowering blood pressure and supposedly stimulates the body. I had reservations about it as I thought that the acidity was causing my hot flashes, but when I talked to the health store specialist, and later learned that this acid turns alkalide. At any rate, it had far greater positives than that of trying to avoid hot flashes! Consequently, I've chosen to stay on my Apple Cider Vinegar!
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replied March 6th, 2013
Dear Fuzz,
Thanks for posting your experiences, Iam trying to find all possible relief alternatives for gout pain.
My wife is sufferring from it since quite some time and please tell me what is "mother" lot of people refering to ACV.. but what is Mother, please give reply.
Thank you,
Raao
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replied May 9th, 2013
Do you remember the name of the book?
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replied May 9th, 2013
How many times per day should I take it?
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replied February 8th, 2006
Re: Apple Cider Vinegar - Good Or Bad For Gout ???
fuzz wrote:
good, the old bloke should have known better. Yes it is acid but turns alkaline. Actually makes the blood ph 7.4.


Acv with the mother in it works wonders on many ailments. Make sure it has the mother in it. Best to buy from a health food store.


Search apple cider vinegar+health and read anything that says bragg.


I found this out by accident when I drank straight apple cider one season to lower my cholesterol (it did) and I found that all my aches and pains disappeared but returned when the cider season was over.


While at a health food store I opened a book on acv and it changed my life. I believe it said if you suffer from gout you will have to take it every day. Acv, honey and water is now my favorite drink.


Cheers,
fuzz

how much avc do you drink per day? I drink a 16 oz bottled water with 3 tbsp of avc. Do I need to drink more avc per day?

Thanks in advanced :)
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replied September 27th, 2011
How to drink.
mix 8 0z of warm water, 1 tablespoon of Apple Cider Vinegar with Mother, and 2 teaspoons of organic honey. twice daily, on an empty stomach. Once in the morning and once before bed.

hope this helps.
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replied February 23rd, 2006
Bsr2002,

the bragg bottle says three times a day, upon arising, mid-morning and mid-afternoon.

1-2 tsp. In 8oz. Glass purified water and optional 1-2 tsp. Honey, maple syrup, blackstrap molasses or 4 drops stevia.

I think I drink about a quart a month. I premix the honey and vinegar then pour some into 4-6 oz. Distilled water when thirsty.

Fuzz
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replied March 15th, 2006
Apple Cider Vinegar
Would I be able to start this regime of apple cider and honey while having a gout attack and taking colchicine?
Also, what is with the "mother" in it.
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replied May 13th, 2006
World Association of Gout Sufferers
Hi all, just joined the site because I am also looking for the answer to my gout problem. Up till now it would have been easier to find the holy grail.
There are lots of people advertising "miracle remedies" but also want your hard earned cash, they all say the answer is on your weekly shopping list.... Well I think this forum might have the answer to my problem, so thanks to all contributors of articles on cider vinegar and baking soda....Keep them coming in

ps. Strange is'nt it that such a painful condition can unite people from the 4 corners of the world..Maybe it's a sign
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replied September 26th, 2012
I have had gout many times and often it took 1-2 weeks for it to subside. I tried the cherry extracts which did nothing same as eating cherries. I did find that what was making me gain weight and get gout often was from my diet. I really never did eat alot of red meats but did eat alot of pasta and other high carbs. I also had high tryglycerides whiich I found also came from my diet. Amazing how doctors just wanted me to take Niacin which I would not take due to the hot skin flushes and other side effects. Never once was I told change my diet. Anyway I have found if I take Ibuprofen when I first have a gout attack it really does help lower pain from the gout.It is the anti inflamatory in Ibuprofen that does it. Doctor once gave me perscription for gout and it was an anti inflamatory drug. I now also take ACV with mothers and it does help get rid of the gout and pain sometimes in as little as a day.
I also have had kidney stones to the point I was passing blood and hurting. I took ACV with mothers for just a couple days and I saw red slivers come out in my urine. I had no more bloody urin after that. I once had been hospitalized for stones and they wanted to do operations for them. I went home and found a remedy to try and it worked. I drank 6 cans of room temp Coke in and hour and half.Believe me after the 4th can I really wondered if I could do anymore but I finished all 6 cans. About hour or two later I had to go and urinated into a pan to see if anything came out. The acid in the coke supposedly softens the stones so they can pass. Sure enough I saw quite a few specks and flakes in the pan. I quit having blood in urin after that and the kidney pain was gone. Believe me the ACV method is much easier to do even though the tatse and smell is so horrid to me. I have to pinch my nose shut and drink the water and ACV mixture as quick as possible then rinse my mouth out and then drink some more water to get the concoction flushed down.
Hope this helps some as it has helped me as I know gout and kidney stones both can be extremely painfull.
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replied July 21st, 2006
Apple Cider Vinegar...good Or Bad For Gout
I really must tell you that some people cannot take apple cider vinegar. Me for instance. A few years ago I decided to try out this magical brew as several friends recommended it for general health. I purchased the real mccoy, in this case braggs with all the necessaries in the bottle. I started on a low dose and gradually increased to the recommended dose over a 2 week period. By the end of the 2nd week I noticed that I had a very painful finger. It was swollen to extreme and I couldn't use it and dare not knock it. I did not give the vinegar a thought until someone said it sounded like gout. I stopped the vinegar immediately and within a couple of days it had disappeared. I retested this after enjoying 3 weeks of normality and sure enough it returned until I stopped the vinegar again. Myself and my siblings, parents and extended family members had never ever suffered from gout or other arthritic forms, so this was a real surprise to me. But it gave me a taste of what others go through so I appreciate that. Thank you for listening. I am sure that I am in the minority.
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replied June 16th, 2012
I experienced the same situation.
After almost a year without a gout attack,
I took a low dose of apple cider vinegar ( tea spoon) in a full glass of water and the following day one of my big toes was swollen. I could not believe how fast
my uric acid was increased. It went from 6 to 14 overnight ! In my case , apple cider vinegar triggers
gout attacks. Baking soda works for me as well as bananas and coconut water to keep acid uric down.
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replied August 1st, 2006
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"there is no scientific evidence that apple cider vinegar has any medical properties." said beth fontenot, ms, ldn, rd, of mcneese state university and lamar university in tx. Her comprehensive report on acv can be found at: http://www.Findarticles.Com/p/articles/mi_ m0gcu/is_n6_v14/ai_20152545 . (if this url does not work, do google searach for the report using key words: "the sour truth about apple cider vinegar" and "beth fontenot")

in addition, acv is known to:

* ruin the enamel on the teeth.

* cause corrosive esophageal injury.

( http://www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.Gov/entrez/query.F cgi?Cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_ui ds=12376715&dopt=abstract --or, google search using key words: "corrosive oesophageal injury following vinegar ingestion" and "chung ch", and
http://www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.Gov/entrez/query.F cgi?Cmd=retrieve&db=pubmed&list_ui ds=15983536&dopt=abstract , or google search using key words: "esophageal injury by apple cider vinegar tablets" and " hill ll" .)

* cause serious health problems -- hypokalemia, hypereninemia and osteoporosis.
(http://content.Karger.Com/produktedb/prod ukte.Asp?Aktion=showabstract&artikelnr =45180&produktnr=223854&ausgabe=22 4764 , or google search using key words: abstract "hypokalemia, hyperreninemia and osteoporosis" and "karl lhotta" .)
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replied May 3rd, 2012
Digestion, or how Sour Food makes Sweet Blood
You Wrote: "there is no scientific evidence that apple cider vinegar has any medical properties." said beth fontenot . . . "
. . . . which only proves that the US medical establishment ignores important stories like those above on this page. Big Science does not understand the processes of digestion. Unbelievable, but logical when you consider the problems of studying the gut - Which of You would Volunteer to have a Tube down your Throat to take Samples?
Digestion really does flip acidity effects on the blood. The ancients in China and India keep this record of millennia. Foods that are sour are reported to "sweeten" the blood. Have you thought how they might have tested that with the science prior to hypodermic needles?
Ask you doctor, or study AMAROLI. Comparative tastes, for example after a day of pure salad versus after a day of burgers, beer and bread, will convince you to change your diet to "sweeten" your blood.
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replied August 2nd, 2006
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A friend has had quite quick relief from his gout by taking pantothenic acid (vit b5), an herbal formula which deals with the liver, kidneys, gallbladder and pancreas and a calcium supplement. I was amazed at how quickly he could stop using crutches.

Everyone is different where the causes of gout and the relief is concerned.
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replied December 10th, 2007
Treating Gout
I just turned 40 and have had gout attacks for over 10 years now. I've taken allopurinol and colchicine but I'm terrible about taking medications on a regular basis. The colchicine gets rid of the gout on acute attacks so I always have a prescription filled just in case I feel it coming on. I haven't had an acute attack in over a year and a half. The key for me is to head off the gout at the first signs of it.
Anyway, I also have had a good track record with Sonne #7. This is a kidney detox that helps get rid of excess acid. It's not made for gout but after I read the label, I figured it sounded like what I needed and it couldn't hurt since it eliminates any impurities you may have. I don't think my kidneys get rid of it normally. The active ingredient is bentonite clay which the acid attaches to and you excrete it. You need to take vitamins because the clay is super binding and it binds with even the good things. I buy it at the Vitamin Shoppe near my house but you can buy it at Whole Foods market and many other places including online.
Gout is brutal and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. Hopefully, something I've said will benefit someone.

Sloth
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replied September 14th, 2008
Apple Cider Vinegar really works...
My mother is 88 years old and has had gout attacks in the past. Her doctor has prescribed allopurinol and colchicine and the attacks have lasted for weeks. She had knee replacement surgery a few months ago and the least thing she needs right now is another gout attack.

Well, three days ago she began having signs of gout again, pain, redness and swelling, on her instep. I emailed her doctor and his advise was to ice it, take iboprofen and elevate it.
I quickly started an internet search for home remedies and found this site where so many people mention about the benefits of Apple Cider Vinegar. She immediately began to take it 3x a day, the pain was unbearable and she couldn't walk. The second day she could barely walk but she continued taking it. By the 3rd day, the pain is almost gone. She was also drinking cherry juice throughout the day.

Thank you everyone cooperating with this post. I hope this helps someone else. God bless!
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replied September 23rd, 2008
Apple Cider Vinegar - Good Or Bad For Gout ???
Hello Everyone,
I was suprised to find myself when searching "apple cider vinegar+health". I gave up on the vinegar for awhile when I gave up my sea kelp. Months went by and I found myself lying in a hot tub of water to releive my back pain. Haven't done that for three years.

I realized then that I haven't taken any ACV and started again. Look, all I can say is that it works for me. It took about a week to settle down but I feel like i'm pulling a muscle when I stretch lying on my back. I had this feeling the first time I went with the ACV and believe it's just the crystals dissolving in my muscles and me moving them around.

I'll be honest with you, I hate the taste and it takes my breath away but to alleviate the pain makes it all worth while; it is a good food.

I upped my consumption of sea kelp when I realized that I didn't have a sore, swollen gland in my neck every three months and thought this is good. I was eliminating some sort of crystals from my eye and scratching the lens. The kelp bag said 1/4tsp. per serving and I was using a tsp. a day. I don't use salt and get my iodine from the kelp.

Way to go grtful, I'm glad your mother is feeling better.

Fuzz
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replied January 20th, 2009
I'm amazed
I've had my first gout flare up 10 ago. Started Allopurinol 1 year ago and stopped taking it 6 months ago because I did not like how I felt on it. No problems, just avoided shellfish and did fine. Well, New Year's eve, I hit my trigger, beer and shrimp. Whoops. Can't start the alloprinal during an attack because that will make it worse. So I've been suffering for 20 days now. It has abated somewhat, but still hurt and I am limping around.
I was never one to try the "folkk cures" but I hit my breaking point and got some cider today. I took 2 tablespoon about 2 hours ago and am not feeling any pain at all right now. I'm hooked and kind of pissed my doctor's never mentioned this as a possible cure. I mean, ACV has been around forever and is used in all kinds of food so I don't mind using it as much as I mind taking pills every day. If you are hesitant, I say go for it. ACV is amazing.
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replied January 21st, 2009
I'm amazed
ACV is not a folk cure but a food. An apple a day keeps the doctor away.
Here is an excerpt from the Bragg Apple Cider Vinegar book.

Why Has Natural Apple Cider Vinegar Disappeared From Grocers' Shelves?

The blame for the disappearance of natural raw apple cider vinegar from supermarkets lies on the shoulders of the general public, as well as the producers of vinegar.
Most people buy food with their eyes, not thinking of good nutrition. Vinegar producers failed to enlighten the public on what powerful health qualities are locked within natural ACV. Why? Because they didn't have the slightest knowledge of the health values of natural, raw, organic, unfiltered, cloudy (to some, less attractive-looking) ACV with the "mother". They produced pasteurized, refined, distilled vinegars because the public demanded it. It was simply filling current supply and demand that tragically removed the priceless miraculous health benefits.

Talk to older people and you will find out how much they know about ACV. I get the best information from people in their 70's and younger people who have talked to older people and heard the claims of unfiltered ACV.

I paid $6.95 for my last Bragg ACV book. It is well worth the read and the price.

ACV like citrus fruits are acid but turn alkaline in the system.

Make taking the ACV simple by mixing honey and ACV together. I use a quart jug and mix about 1/3 honey to 2/3 ACV; shake it until it mixes well. I set it by the kitchen sink and shake it for a couple of minutes every time I see it until it mixes well. I then pour it into a 1/2 pint jar that I shake and pour an ounce or two into a glass and add enough water to make it palatable.

BUY THE BOOK then buy the ACV.
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replied January 21st, 2009
Do you take ACV every day for prevention of gout attacks similar to others on this forum taking baking soda? i love baking soda's effects but i have had two migraines in the past three days, don't know if it is baking soda or effects of the steroid i got from the doc for my gouty ankle. all i know is that my gout symptoms are gone from the only 5 days of baking soda (1/2 teaspoon each morning and night.) i would be willing to give scv a try if it as the same impact as bs.
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replied January 28th, 2009
i think the migraines were due to the steroid because they went away as the steroid use ended. my first inclination is to take baking soda to prevent a gout attack or lesson it when i feel a twinge, but i am worried about my blood pressure going up. so i have been alternating acv and bs. i'll take a 1/2 teaspoon of bs in the am and after lunch, then take 2 tablespoons of acv before bed. if i feel twinges, which i think are currently due to the crystals in my feet dissolving, i will add another dose of acv after dinner to make four for the day, two bs, two acv. right now the twinges have remained just that. alll the while i am exercising, watchning my diet 6 days a week and trying to loose weight.

i just found out that my 70 yr old father probably has gout after listening to his symptoms. he has kept the discomfort to himself. he tried acv awhile ago and stopped because of pain in his joints. i told him that it may be temporary discomfort due to the drop in uric acid or the dissolving of msu crystals. i hope to get him to try it again. do you think that is a good idea for him?
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replied February 9th, 2012
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replied March 3rd, 2009
Gout remedy
I accedently gave myself gout after self medicating with extreme amounts of B vitamins. My family has a history of gout so it was bound to happen to me sooner or later. I have had excruciating attacks in my toe, ankle, and various places on top and bottom of my feet. I have found some very good treatments over the last year or two for gout. The first one I found was a far-infrared sauna which will work wonders but is very expensive ($2000+) but will treat multiple conditions. The second one i found was the ionic foot bath. My grandpa and I have had amazing results with it. After one treatment I could eat or drink anything I wanted with no side effects for about a month but then I would need another treatment. Each treatment usually costs around $30-35 or you can buy one for about $300. The third one and by far the most economical fresh cod liver oil taken everyday about $50 or less to cover you for a month or more. I would recommend 1-2 tablespoons of fresh cod liver oil a day and one ionic foot bath treatment a month to never worrie about gout again. You might be able to find a alternitive health clinic near you that will give you a free first ionic treatment. Try these out and let us know if they help you.
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replied March 4th, 2009
did you have the ionic foot bath while suffereing from inflamation and pain associated with a gout attack? does it rid your body of the stored msu crystals in your joints, excess uric acid, or the inflammation surrounding the joints?
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replied July 5th, 2009
ACV Works!
I had an attack of gout for about 3 weeks. Doctor prescribed steroid to reduce swelling. This gave some comfort. I read about ACV on the internet. Took one tablespoon ACV mixed with one tablespoon honey and one tablespoon warm water (honey mixes easily with warm water). Took it twice daily after lunch and dinner. Pain reduced in one day! Pain gone in 3 days swelling still there but a lot less.
This is more effective than the prescription!
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replied July 7th, 2009
I have found the best remedy for Gout is to take Celery Seed Extract. This remedy for Gout dates back to Egyptian times. It simply helps to eliminate Uric acid from the body.
These are usually found in pill form in health food stores.

Also eat Cherries and/or drink Cherry juice to reduce inflamation. But during a gout attack you need strong anti-inflamitoriy pils and/or Ibuprofen.

Try not to let your body become Acidic, too much sugar, rich food, alcohol etc.
Bicarbonate of Soda is great for Alkalizing your body.
As is Cider Vinegar, and watermelon.

Contradictory to popular belief too much Omega 3 oils, fish or otherwise, can cause my gout to flare up.
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