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Hi,

i am male, aged 45. History of ongoing gout. Never taken any prolonged medication for gout, only the odd celebrex or vioxx as needed.

I got my first attack of gout in my left toe about 15 years ago. Have had many bouts since then in toes, ankle, heel, knees, finger.

Then, about 7 years ago I woke up to discover a sizeable swelling/fluid on my right elbow. This resolved itself after a month or two but then re-appeard about 2 years later and has persisted ever since.

About 3 years ago I also got the same (although not as bad) swelling/lump on my left elbow and the same in my left knee.

It has been diagnosed as gout/tophi deposits and as I have no pain, the doctors/specialists I have seen, all refuse to operate on these joints as they claim that elbows especially 'dont heal well'

please, can anyone recommend anything to get rid of the swelling/lumps in my elbows? I can't wear short sleeve shirts anymore as it looks gross!

The knee I can put up with as it's not so noticeable, but the 'popeye' elbows are driving me nuts. The right elbow is worse than the left and my main focus is to at least get this fixed.

Any help or advice would be great.

Thanks,

paul.
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replied October 31st, 2005
Gout Deposits On Elbow
Paul-

i am 53 an just had surgery on my left elbow to remove the larger of my two elbow deposits.

I went through everthing you have gone through.....Started out about 20 years ago with the big toe, then the ankle, fingers, knee etc.... Pain to the brink of tears and visists to tne emergency room at 3 in the morning.......


I have been taking allapurinol 200mg daily for the last two years and has done a good job of keeping the attacks in check.


I never experienced the "attack" in my elbow, it just became a "dumping ground" for deposits forming those oh so loverly "popeye" elbows.


I was also told of the difficult healing process.


As, I say, I finally sucked it up and decided to have the left elbow operated on.


The operation took place under general anestesia and I have a cast from just under my arm pit to me wrist in the shape ofa 90 degree angle. The cast is to prevent any bending etc. During the healing process....It is scheduled to come of 11/7...Then a couple of weeks of rehab.......


I'll keep you posted..




Phil g.
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replied May 31st, 2009
swelling elbow
i am 49 years old, same story and same symptoms, gout started abt 15 yrs ago, had same problems and now lump has developed in my elbow... i would like to find out more abt the surgery and the process you went thru and if it has helped you... does your elbow look normal post surgery? is their scarring? your elbow works properly, any pain? please respond when you get a chance...
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replied September 9th, 2009
Gout deposit in elbow
I'm 45, had gout attacks for 15 years, taking allopurinol, never had attacks in elbow. Bump on left elbow appeared 2 years ago - no injury, nothing. Doctor thought it was scar tissue from some mystery injury. It was large enough that my family voted and decided I should have surgery to remove the ugly thing.
I went under general, had a cast for a week, then stitches stayed for 2 more, restricted physical duty to prevent stitches from popping. Had followup visit and the ortho doctor said 1 word - "gout". Again, he expected scar tissue, and he was surprised when he found the "cottage cheese" deposit of gout. It's been 8 weeks now and all I have is a scar and a normal looking elbow.
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replied September 21st, 2009
gout
I have suffered from same problems for 20 years toe/heel/instep/knee/elbows, i had a gout deposit removed from right elbow about 4 years ago and everything seemed fine then about 18 months ago would wake in middle of night with pain and not be able to straighten my arm,it has got a lot worse since then and i am now on tramadol because i cant sleep through the pain, your lump dont hurt so leave it!!!
I have one now on my left elbow the size of an egg and i dont care because it dont hurt,trust me dont operate on it unless no alternative.
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replied October 28th, 2009
Ok this is what im going to say after having gout and research in gout pain and treatment.

i am not a professional but what i have been doing works for me

follow the gout diet religiously, don't eat red meats, seafood or any of that type of stuff that the lists say not to eat.

if you must eat meat, eat chicken or white fish in light moderation, don't go overboard.

make surey ou're massaging your gout joints daily in warm water so that you help the deposits dilute as much as possible on a daily basis, this helps big time in the long run.

put half a teaspoon of baking soda in a cup of water and take that int he morning and one at night.

drink as much water and urinate and hydrate yourself all the time.

i am 23 and i've had gout for over 3 full years.

i have learned not to rely on the bullcrap medication that only causes worse gout and horrible side effects.

take the natural route to help with the gout, it has worked for me and i am so happy compared to those painful gout attack days. the last attack i had was the night i had japanese food.

yea don't eat that stuff! always learn from your mistake!

i hope you all stay safe and healthy because gout is a horible thing, as a sufferer myself, i feel for all of you guys and i want to be here to support you throughout everything so if anybody has a question regarding my own treatment write me and i will help to the best of my abilities!
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replied May 21st, 2013
sounds good, but three years in you have no idea. hopefully it works out for you
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replied March 30th, 2010
I'm 51 and I have had terrible gout since my early thirties.Many times crying and talking to my maker. Have to take pain meds or I think I will have a heart attack from the intense pain. you have to stop it before it gets full blown. Don't let the crystals get to big. They hurt worse and take longwer to go away. Take as much Advil or similar product if you can't get indicine . Lots of water, small meals , ice packs alternated with warm compresses to help circulation. Getting Tophus removed from my left elbow tomorrow. An ugly, sometimes painful growth the size of a large marble. Be nice to have a "normal" looking elbow again.Peace.
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replied October 4th, 2010
Hello....I am a 47 yr old male...I have been taking allopurinol for 7 yr's. It does a really good job of controlling flare ups...I am worried about my liver and the long term effects...I get bloodwork done anually and it has been okay so far...i guess my question is......should I stay with allopurinol or maybe try something new like uloric? I would appreciate any advice or comments

Thanks!!!!

P.S. I noticed reading these articles that it is mostly males, does more males have gout than females?
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replied May 11th, 2011
Thoughts on what works for me for Gout Attacks
Wanted to contribute some thoughts and remedies that I have some experience with. I am 39. My attacks started in my early thirties in my big toe joint (I'm sure there is a more medical description for that joint but you know what I mean). It (the gout) has been finding new locations as others folks have experienced including a very painful (and expensive) attack in my knee about a year ago. Recently I have had two attacks in my elbow. I read at some point that cherries worked for some people. Apparently there is benefit with Cherry juice as well, cherries were indicated as the best source of whatever juju is doing the work. I have found success with this. It seems to reduce the flare up time of attacks and acts quickly.
While I'm a technical type guy, I have not been all that scientific about this analysis...like most people, I just start trying stuff and hope the pain stops. In this case, I feel like there is some benefit and I try to make sure I have some on hand in case of emergency. I was wondering if anyone else tried this and if so, what there success was.
I should say that I was also prescribed the Medrol dose packs for the attacks. I have not always had them on hand and used the Cherries alone a few times and the attack calmed down, so I am tempted to believe there is a connection.
I don't have any connection to the massive and booming cherry industry (we'll just call 'em 'Big Cherry"). Just checking in to see if anyone has had similar experiences.
Also, I recently heard about a drug that has been approved (or was about to be) that had a huge impact on reducing / eliminating gout attacks and the deposits that some folks get. Any word on that.

All the best of luck...
ACB
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replied May 11th, 2011
Wanted to contribute some thoughts and remedies that I have some experience with. I am 39. My attacks started in my early thirties in my big toe joint (I'm sure there is a more medical description for that joint but you know what I mean). It (the gout) has been finding new locations as others folks have experienced including a very painful (and expensive) attack in my knee about a year ago. Recently I have had two attacks in my elbow. I read at some point that cherries worked for some people. Apparently there is benefit with Cherry juice as well, cherries were indicated as the best source of whatever juju is doing the work. I have found success with this. It seems to reduce the flare up time of attacks and acts quickly.
While I'm a technical type guy, I have not been all that scientific about this analysis...like most people, I just start trying stuff and hope the pain stops. In this case, I feel like there is some benefit and I try to make sure I have some on hand in case of emergency. I was wondering if anyone else tried this and if so, what there success was.
I should say that I was also prescribed the Medrol dose packs for the attacks. I have not always had them on hand and used the Cherries alone a few times and the attack calmed down, so I am tempted to believe there is a connection.
I don't have any connection to the massive and booming cherry industry (we'll just call 'em 'Big Cherry"). Just checking in to see if anyone has had similar experiences.
Also, I recently heard about a drug that has been approved (or was about to be) that had a huge impact on reducing / eliminating gout attacks and the deposits that some folks get. Any word on that.

All the best of luck...
ACB
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replied May 28th, 2011
Gout
Just wanted to add my bit, I am 53 and have had the dreaded gout for15 years and was becoming chronic. Whenever I tried to walk for exercise it would have me crippled the next day and would attack any strain or injury in my knees, ankles and feet. i was taking Indocid on a daily bais for the pain. About 2 years ago I heard a radio interview on Australian ABC (non commercial) radio with Dr Giselle Cook - she suggested that she had great success with natural anti inflammatories and suggested a daily juice of celery, tumeric, carrot,apple, beetroot and ginger...said that celery and tumeric are the best two natiral anti inflammarories - I tried it and in about 6 weeks it was like someone had put a grease gun in my joints- I started walking and could easily walk for an hour and no issues next day...I have had the odd attack since but now cycle for an hour in the morning and walk an hour at night...unbelieveable difference...i will unlikely ever be free of occasional attacks but I am a new person...Dr Cook can be found on the net and runs clinics in Australia...I make up about 300mls each morning..I am now off for my walk..good luck everyone..I have read all the stories on here and have had the exact symptoms..give it a try RJB Australia
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replied April 14th, 2012
Rjb, can you give me the recipe for this juice? I searched Dr. Cooke's site but couldn't find it. My husband recently had surgery on his elbow and both hands. The fluid is coming back and he's getting pretty discouraged. We went to Walmart and bought a juicer today. Thanks!
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replied July 15th, 2011
Gout in your elbow? Who would have thought that was possible?
Unbelieveable. I've had gout since I was in my 20s. I'm a 52 year old male. I take very good care of myself. I'm in the gym almost every day. I eat right and I know what foods (and alcohol) to avoid that will trigger my gout. I recently had my first flare up in about four years. I went on the meds and my gout subsided. About three days ago I got in my car to drive to work. I put my arm on the door and felt something strange around the elbow area. I was horrfied to find that my left elbow was at least four times it's usual size. For the last several days I've been afraid to think about what was causing the swelling and since I was not having any pain I was frankly just hoping the swelling would go way. Just when I had decided that I had aquired something fatal I found this site and although I'm not thrilled to discover that my gout can appear in my elbow I'm relieved to know that my arm won't be turning green and falling off. I can tell anyone that has any doubts about the capacity of cherries to positively effect gout that they have always worked for me, the darker the better. Good luck to all of you suffering through the pain of gout. It's very difficult to explain to anyone who's never experienced what the pain of gout is like. I often thought that if slicing my toe off would stop the pain....in weak moments that idea sounded very reational. Have faith and try to take the best care of your body that you can.
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replied July 28th, 2011
I'm 24. I've had gout since I was 19. A few months ago, I found a forbidden lump in my elbow and a few weeks ago, one formed in my knee and today I found one in my other knee. Luckily, the pain is minimal, mostly feels like tension in my muscles from a new added lump that my muscles seem to adjust around. The green pills the dr prescribed make me feel crazy! So I don't like to take them unless in dire circumstances. I found that cranberry juice helps when I have an attack, similarly to the cherry idea I've been reading about. But it seems like there's no gaurantees, even with a good diet. I hate to sound like Debbie downer, but in my experience, the green pills don't even work sometimes. I'm a student at a university, so I'm forced to walk around campus, and when I have a gout flare, I literally have to limp around, trying my best to look normal so people don't ask me what's wrong with my leg. I don't love telling people I have gout, especially because I'm so young. Couldnt this sheisse have waited at least 10 more years? I currently don't have health insurance, my dad changed our provider and took me off his plan, saying that he would help me pay for an individual coverage plan. Well, long story short, I was denied coverage because I have gout. !?!?!!?! Im trying to get on my moms plan because my step dad works for ups and they have great coverage, but in still waiting and I can't really see a dr about these lumps, but hopefully soon. I graduate in December and hopefully I'll find a job and be able to provide myself with healthcare through that business. I guess I should be glad the lumps don't hurt and that I'm not in dire need of indomiacin. Hopefully someone puts two and two together and finds a miracle drug for this malarchy, because I'm over it! My dad has gout and he refers to it as the rich mans disease because in days past, only the rich got gout and it does seem to affect males far more than females.

Anyway,

Good luck to you all!
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replied October 14th, 2011
this feels a little weird as I am pleased to find other sufferers. But not as weird as when someone pinches my elbow and says "does that Hurt". "What is wrong with your elbow".

I am 54 have had gout attacks for 15 years. I also have the popeye elbows and would like to find a way to reduce the size of what my doctors says are calcium deposits. I have two questions. 1. Is there any natural way to get rid of the growth on the elbow. 2. I am on blood pressure medicine, lisinopril/hctz, I am told that this may cause gout attacks by reducieng the amount of water in the blood. Does any one have info on this??
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replied November 22nd, 2011
Gout and Lisinopril
I am 51 and have (or had) exactly the same symptoms and I was on lisinopril. I got rid of the gout symptoms and, ultimately, the lisinopril by either aerobically working out (stair climber/exercise bike)or running everyday. I am not a doctor, but I think I am sweating out excess uric acid when I run or workout. All the working out stopped my gout attacks and lowered by blood pressure and my doctor took me off lisinopril. I just had surgery to correct both my Popeye elbows which is why I was looking at this forum. I wanted to see what others experienced after the surgery.

Good luck with your situation. I hope my experience can offer at least some insight.
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replied September 2nd, 2012
Hi B2B How did you go with your surgery? I also train every day now and my blood preasue has droped and I dont get attacks any more but im left with Popeye elbows and want them gone.
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replied October 3rd, 2012
Suffered with gout for 10 years. Started on 40 mg uloric 11 months ago (nov2011) have not had a flare up in that time . Had both elbows operated on since then. For removal of gout inflamed bursa. Little scarring, no post op problems. Uloric a real life saver for me. Need to know more pls reply. Got my life back at age 61
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replied October 3rd, 2012
Hi Sessa, who did you see to get your elbows operated on? my local GP wont take them out.
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replied October 4th, 2012
Greetings, your gp would not be able to do it, but he or she should be able to recommend a hand/forearm specialist who can. Downside is it's not an office procedure,but instead requires the next level of care which means a half a day or so in a surgery center setting where they put you in a operating room, tourniquet the upper arm, put you to sleep and proceed. After opening the elbow with a 3to4 inch incision the doctor will encounter what you would expect, a gush of gouty material. The natural padding or cushion if you will in your elbow(called a bursa) will most likely have to be removed also. Once that's completed everything is cleaned out, stitched up, and bulky bandages applied. No casts or anything like that. In my case I rushed things a bit so as to get back to work quickly. Removed the bulkiest of the bandages and just made sure the incision site was covered and clean. Kept my arm close to my side and tried not to use it too much. The surgery center will put you in a sling when they discharge you. Good to use it as needed. Post op was easy. No swelling. Stitches have to removed in 2 weeks or so. No lingering pain what so ever. Total range of motion. Annoying bumps gone! I know it feels like you've got a golf ball in there! Have more info if u need it. Cost of surgery insurance coverage ,things like that...regards
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replied October 4th, 2012
Thank you for your reply as this seems to be the only way to get any answers???? as my GP keeps telling me its a (BURSA)and will go away with anti inflam drugs, I live in Queensland where was your procedure done.
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replied October 4th, 2012
Hello, your gp is correct that it a bursa problem however I had the same condition for several years prior to my surgery in the hope that the swelling would dissipate on it's own. That rarely occurs however leaving surgery as your only alternative in my opinion. Once both my elbows became inflamed they swelled up and never went down at all. The surgical procedure you need is called olecranon bursitis surgery. The olecranon is the pointy piece of bone at the end of your elbow that is protected by the olecranon bursa. That is what is filled up with gouty material and probably has to come out. Your body gradually regenerates a new bursa so that eventually you are as good as new. Also remember that continually having that much gouty material in your elbows may pose the risk of it being liberated or leaching out from time to time possibly causing flare ups in other places..gotta go more later
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replied October 5th, 2012
Back. I see you're in Queensland. I'm far away in new jersey USA . I searched for queen land hand and upper limb specialists and several names came up. Doctor Ryan and dr Fredericson were 2 of them. These are the type of guys that can do the procedure for you. The cost out here for me was around 5,ooo us dollars for each one. Not cheap but if you have a good health insurance plan most or all will be covered as was the case with me. Out here you have to use a specialist that is in network meaning that they accept whatever your insurance company will cover as payment in full that way there is no out of pocket expense.
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replied October 11th, 2012
Partner with gout HELP
My partner has Gout, im conserned as he is in SO SO much pain and it strikes so often. I just watched his elbow swell before my eyes, it trippled in size in 5 minuts so he is at the hospital. He has been told this does NOT come from booze. i read the first hundred posts and could find no answers. How do i help him? He has been told he has to be gout free 6 weeks before tacking precaution medication. But he is NEVER gout free 6 weeks. Help pls
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replied March 18th, 2013
Hi gang... I had my first attack about 10 years ago. Had no clue what it was but how debilitating huh? Of course was prescribed the two normal meds, later that day pain was gone. Colchicine and some hammer of a steroid for the pain. No flare ups for years but I have a pretty good size goose egg on my left elbow I'd like to have removed. I've read all the reviews here so I'm just going ask if anyone would comment on the good and the bad experiences of surgical removal? Thanks, Mas
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