I Doubt Outlawing Abortion Will Do Any Good! Posted: 09-05-05 05:16am
For all those who are pro-life and want to
outlaw abortion, I don't understand how
you think this will keep people from
aborting their fetus??
It will be horrible if and when abortion
is outlawed. This will only result in
women going out to find someone who will
perform an illegal abortion--possibly who
doesn't know what they are doing and may
wind up killing the woman!,
....Or result in the woman doing a self
abortion (starving herself, punching
herself in the stomache over and over,
etc.) outlawing abortion may possibly
result in some women committing suicide,
for gosh sakes!
I know that if I ever get pregnant and if
abortion has been outlawed by that time,
i'm sure I will just result to starving
myself. I mean, I don't see abortion as
homicide (unless the fetus is over 3
months along), so abortion being illegal
isn't going to stop me.
For those of us who honestly don't see
killing a fetus to be homicide, it's not
going to do any good to outlaw abortion.
Sure, if we get caught having an illegal
abortion, we'll be put in jail, but what
good would that do? And it's very
unlikely that anyone would be caught,
especially if they self-aborted.
Also, I don't understand how you people
can call us "murderers", "baby killers",
or whatever other names you have for us.
If someone honestly doesn;t agree that
abortion is anywhere near the same as
killing an actual born baby, then how can
we be murderes? Some of us go more by
science, then by the bible, ya know!.
Oh, and why do people think that a fetus
is more precious and worthy than an
animal? Animals are the picture of true
innocense, yet I don't think many of you
care very much (or at least not nearly as
much as you do when a fetus is aborted)
that thousands of animals are dying
everyday and becomming extinct due to
what we humans have done to the world.
An animal has the ability to see, hear,
smell, feel love, fear, pain, anger, and
have a sense of being, where as a very
young fetus does not have the ability to
feel any of that! Yet somehow, it is not
nearly as tragic for an innocent animal to
die as it is for a fetus? A fetus which
will become a child which will become an
adult and will only add to overpopulation
of humans and maybe possibly commit crimes
and maybe even murders, and be an problem
fool like most of the rest of people on
this planet! And add to the destruction
of this once beautiful place! People
sicken me! People are not innocent once
they are grown up. Animals are always
innocent. I think the entire human race
should be whiped out (yes, including me)
and the earth and animals should have been
left to their beautiful selves, never to
cause polution or crimes or any of this
comlete discusting crap!
I hate this damn, ugly , poluted,
overpopulated, over christianized world!
It sucks and blows! There is no way
out! "majorite always rules!"
...Ah! I hope I dont kill myself over
all this some day! Likely it will kill
me first! %#@*!!!#
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blackwinded
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Posted: 09-05-05 05:20am
Why do they replace redrum (read it
backwards) with "not a nice act" ? How
annoying. How stupid!
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Izzy
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Posted: 09-05-05 05:49am
There is sufficiant evidence to suggest
that if abortion were made legal 90% of
abortions would cease thats means only 10%
would get an ilegal abortion that around
15,000, thats 5,000 more than before roe v
wade still its not bad for a population
polluted with pro choice lies for 30
years.
90% of ilegal abortions were done by
doctors in clinics not in butcher shops or
elsewhere, the safty of abortion is not
due to the legality of aortion but the
medical advances in drugs and in
sterilisation, if you check the statistics
and plot a graph you will see the safty of
abortion since its become legal is not
much safer if at all any safer than it was
in 1972 before legalisation.
Why should we care if women die when they
homicide children, would you care if a
rapist died as a result of raping
someone?
Gb
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Izzy
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Posted: 09-05-05 05:52am
"if someone honestly doesn;t agree that
abortion is anywhere near the same as
killing an actual born baby, then how can
we be not a nice actes"
well if someone believes 10 year old
children are adults and has sex with them,
how can they be pedophiles?
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Izzy
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Posted: 09-05-05 06:07am
"some of us go more by science, then by
the bible, ya know!."
ah, I see, so you do agree that
scientifically - to be precise
biologically speaking the unborn child is
a unique and individual human being and is
fully alive and growing.
Oh and scientifically a 12 year old
perhaps younger (i have heard of 9 year
olds fathering or getting pregnant) could
be classed as a adult, scientifically of
course I guess you believe pedophililia is
acceptable too.
"oh, and why do people think that a fetus
is more precious and worthy than an
animal?"
the same reason I think your more precious
and worthy of life than an animal
"a very young fetus does not have the
ability to feel"
so pedophillia would be ok if the child
didnt know what was happening?
"a fetus which will become a child which
will become an adult and will only add to
overpopulation of humans and maybe
possibly commit crimes and maybe even not
a nice acts, and be an problem fool like
most of the rest of people on this planet!
And add to the destruction of this once
beautiful place! People sicken me!
People are not innocent once they are
grown up."
a fetus is a child!
Lets kill everyone who has ever commited a
crime, lets kill everyone who has ever
killed another human being, lets kill
everyone who is an idot, lets destroy the
human race forever.... Crazy!
Btw - the world is not over populated at
all, infact we are in line for a huge
under population crisis in the next 20 -
50 years.
"i hate this damn, ugly , poluted,
overpopulated, over christianized world!
It sucks and blows!"
to tell you the truth, the world is not
christianized, in fact pope b16 has called
for the re-christianization of the west,
because we are not christian, btw I think
the world is wonderful, nature that is,
there is too much pollution but you have
to realise that the world is not...Is not
over populated and certainly not over
christianized.
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blackwinded
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Posted: 09-05-05 06:28am
izzy
wrote:
"if someone honestly doesn;t
agree that abortion is anywhere near the
same as killing an actual born baby, then
how can we be not a nice actes"
well if someone believes 10 year old
children are adults and has sex with them,
how can they be
pedophiles?
if someone truly believes that a 10 year
old child is an adult, then that would be
a delusions and they would (hopefully)
be termed "not guilty be reason of
insanity" they didn't realize that what
they did was wrong. My point exactly!
So called "baby killers" simply don't see
anything worng with abortion. They (we)
don't see it the way you christians do.
That's why I don't understand why people
who have abortions are termed "muderers"
your "arguement" turned out to be a very
good example of what I am reffering to.
Nice job
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blackwinded
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Posted: 09-05-05 06:37am
izzy
wrote:
there is sufficiant evidence
to suggest that if abortion were made
legal 90% of abortions would cease thats
means only 10% would get an ilegal
abortion that around 15,000, thats 5,000
more than before roe v wade still its not
bad for a population polluted with pro
choice lies for 30 years.
90% of ilegal abortions were done by
doctors in clinics not in butcher shops or
elsewhere, the safty of abortion is not
due to the legality of aortion but the
medical advances in drugs and in
sterilisation, if you check the statistics
and plot a graph you will see the safty of
abortion since its become legal is not
much safer if at all any safer than it was
in 1972 before legalisation.
Gb
*illegal
i think you are right that not very many
people would get illegal abortions if
abortion was outlawed. It would be very
difficult. But, I think plenty of women
would still self-abort.
["why should we care if women die when
they homicide children, would you care if
a rapist died as a result of raping
someone?"]
i guess you just can't even try and
understand where other people are comming
from. That not everyone is christian.
That not everyone believes a fetus is
quite the same as a baby. You locked your
mind and threw away the key.
And yes, I might care if a rapist died
just because they raped someone, but it
would depend. Most rapists are either
mentally ill or have suffered
rape/abuse/molestation themself, resulting
in their criminal behavior and I dont
necissarily believe a rapist deserves to
die if it is because they are mentally or
emotionally destroyed.
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blackwinded
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Posted: 09-05-05 07:11am
["ah, I see, so you do agree that
scientifically - to be precise
biologically speaking the unborn child is
a unique and individual human being and is
fully alive and growing. "]
i agree yes, it is fully alive and growing
just as is a virus or bacteria or a
single sperm, but not anywhere close to a
fully developed human being.
Oh and scientifically a 12 year old
perhaps younger (i have heard of 9 year
olds fathering or getting pregnant) could
be classed as a adult, scientifically of
course I guess you believe pedophililia is
acceptable too.
Oh yeah...That's exactly what I said!
["the same reason I think your more
precious and worthy of life than an
animal']
first of all, that doesn;'t explain
anything. Second: why do you think that
my life is more worthy? Oh yeah, because
the bible says so, huh?
... Bible shmible
[so pedophillia would be ok if the child
didnt know what was happening?]
..So you are agreeing that a fetus does
not have the ability to feel? Mentally or
physically? Yet you still think abortion
is completly outrageous....*ugh* I just
dont get it.
And it sure as heck would not be nearly as
horrible as if the child did know what was
happening. Yet, that child is still a
child. Much more developed than a fetus.
So I believe it is completly different and
your arguement isn't even sufficient in my
opinion.
["a fetus is a child!"]
disagreed ! It's a human form, but not
nearly close to what we think of as a baby
or a child.
[lets kill everyone who has ever commited
a crime, lets kill everyone who has ever
killed another human being, lets kill
everyone who is an idot, lets destroy the
human race forever.... Crazy!]
wow! This is pointless to respond to.
You took me way out of context. You
aren't taking into concideration that I
don' see a fetus as being the same thing
as a "child" if I was with you on the
belief that a fetus is equal to a child,
then I would not be supporting abortion
rights. Duh
["btw - the world is not over populated at
all, infact we are in line for a huge
under population crisis in the next 20 -
50 years."]
lol. That's a load of crap. I wonder
where in the heck you would get false
information like this? Must be george
bone-headed bush!
["to tell you the truth, the world is not
christianized, in fact pope b16 has called
for the re-christianization of the west,
because we are not christian, btw I think
the world is wonderful, nature that is,
there is too much pollution but you have
to realise that the world is not...Is not
over populated and certainly not over
christianized.[/quote]
to tell me the truth? Your a liar! The
world is obviously over-populated. And
yes, the west is pretty much
christianized...About 85% that is. So in
order for the world to be concidered
christianized to you, that means every
single person must be christian? ??
That's not what I meant by it! In my
opinion, it just means that the majority
of the population is christian and trying
to force their beliefs on us and that, for
the most part, they are succeeding. (not
succeeding in converting us, succeeding in
taking away our rights)
but the west is not suppose to be
christianized because this is supposedly a
free country with freedom of religion.
But really it's not, is it? Because of
liars like you.
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blackwinded
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Posted: 09-05-05 07:19am
skar
wrote:
skar
wrote:
so because someone will
break a law we shouldn,t have a law ?
Way to go total anarchy just so
termination can stay legal way to
blackmail the
state/goverment.
blackwind no response is this not what you
wanted?
skar, you have to give me more than five
minutes to respond to your comments. Be
prepared because I might not even respond
for a couple days. I'm not on the
internet all the time, alright? So try
and be patient.
And no, I dont think that just because
people will break a law we shouldn't have
laws. That;s not at all what I said.
I simply said I don't think it will do
much good. But no, I don't think their
should be a law against abortion because I
am pro-choice. It isn't fair but I think
abortion is a different issue than most
because so many people feel so strongly on
it. Your making everything so simple...So
black and white...As if every issue is the
same as the next.
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Izzy
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Posted: 09-05-05 08:08am
Well who cares what you think?
Only 25% of the population regard abortion
as a intrinsic and unchallenged womans
right, so, in the end, you dont really
count do you, believe what you want, we
are still going to make it illegal.
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Izzy
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Posted: 09-05-05 08:32am
"you will never make it illegal... It is
a part of our society now. Too bad. No
one cares what you think anyways!"
really, that remains to be seen, since a
good majority of people voting for bush
done so because he is (so called) pro
life, its a part of society that most
people dislike and it seems more and more
people especially the politions do
actually care what the christians think.
With a good 75% of americans being
christians, you gotta see rightly so!
Even in britain where there is only 6
million practising catholics, it seems
more and more polititions are listening to
the church and have already been working
with the church to keep euthinasia
illegal.
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Izzy
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Posted: 09-05-05 08:43am
"ya, nothing like taking away a person's
right to their religion"
thats not taking away a persons right to
their religion.
"keep it up. The backlash will slice your
cult open."
like it did in rome?
How many of us will have to die this time
- let me be the first!
"no one wants to be forced to live by your
hateful bible."
love is not hate, and hate is not love.
You personally may find it hateful but the
majority believe the bible to be a book
about the love of god for his people...So
what ya gonna do, kill us - let me be
first
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Izzy
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Posted: 09-05-05 08:58am
Or else what?
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Izzy
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Posted: 09-05-05 09:06am
Force you to do what?
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Izzy
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Posted: 09-05-05 09:48am
Tell me a nation that is christian and
dosnt want to be, show me a christian who
is forced to be a christian
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bd1012
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Re: I Doubt Outlawing Abortion Will Do Any Good! Posted: 09-05-05 10:12am
blackwinded
wrote:
for all those who are
pro-life and want to outlaw abortion, I
don't understand how you think this will
keep people from aborting their fetus??
It will be horrible if and when abortion
is outlawed. This will only result in
women going out to find someone who will
perform an illegal abortion--possibly who
doesn't know what they are doing and may
wind up killing the woman!,
....Or result in the woman doing a self
abortion (starving herself, punching
herself in the stomache over and over,
etc.) outlawing abortion may possibly
result in some women committing suicide,
for gosh sakes!
I know that if I ever get pregnant and if
abortion has been outlawed by that time,
i'm sure I will just result to starving
myself. I mean, I don't see abortion
as not a nice act (unless the fetus is
over 3 months along), so abortion being
illegal isn't going to stop me.
For those of us who honestly don't see
killing a fetus to be not a nice act, it's
not going to do any good to outlaw
abortion. Sure, if we get caught having
an illegal abortion, we'll be put in jail,
but what good would that do? And it's
very unlikely that anyone would be caught,
especially if they self-aborted.
Also, I don't understand how you people
can call us "not a nice persons", "baby
killers", or whatever other names you have
for us. If someone honestly doesn;t
agree that abortion is anywhere near the
same as killing an actual born baby, then
how can we be not a nice actes? Some
of us go more by science, then by the
bible, ya know!.
Oh, and why do people think that a fetus
is more precious and worthy than an
animal? Animals are the picture of true
innocense, yet I don't think many of you
care very much (or at least not nearly as
much as you do when a fetus is aborted)
that thousands of animals are dying
everyday and becomming extinct due to
what we humans have done to the world.
An animal has the ability to see, hear,
smell, feel love, fear, pain, anger, and
have a sense of being, where as a very
young fetus does not have the ability to
feel any of that! Yet somehow, it is
not nearly as tragic for an innocent
animal to die as it is for a fetus? A
fetus which will become a child which will
become an adult and will only add to
overpopulation of humans and maybe
possibly commit crimes and maybe even not
a nice acts, and be an problem fool like
most of the rest of people on this
planet! And add to the destruction of
this once beautiful place! People
sicken me! People are not innocent once
they are grown up. Animals are always
innocent. I think the entire human race
should be whiped out (yes, including me)
and the earth and animals should have been
left to their beautiful selves, never to
cause polution or crimes or any of this
comlete discusting crap!
I hate this damn, ugly , poluted,
overpopulated, over christianized world!
It sucks and blows! There is no way
out! "majorite always rules!"
...Ah! I hope I dont kill myself over
all this some day! Likely it will kill
me first!
%#@*!!!#
i love you! I am also a member of vhemt
btw.
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Izzy
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Posted: 09-05-05 14:23pm
Its mirror
and america is a good 75% christian, so
your oviously wrong
and I love being a christian, wouldnt
change it for the world, litterally I
would not give it up to become the supreme
ruler of the world.
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paganangel
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Re: I Doubt Outlawing Abortion Will Do Any Good! Posted: 09-05-05 19:19pm
blackwinded
wrote:
I mean, I don't see
abortion as not a nice act (unless the
fetus is over 3 months along),
so why over 3 months? Do you realize that
by saying that you are a major hyporcrite?
It's okay for them to have an abortion at
3 months but anything of that and they are
mur*deres...Hmmm....Doesn't make much
sense to me.
I am 100% pro-life!! Abortion should be
outlawed except in .E.X.T.R.E.M.E. Cases
such as life of the mother/incest/rape..
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sandyallen
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Izzy Posted: 09-05-05 22:19pm
An apple is not an orange, so therefore a
fetus is not a child, it is not even a
baby, it is a fetus.
There is an over-population, the jails are
full, their are not enough jobs to go
around, we had to stop our medical
assistance program due to lack of funds
because their are too many people on it
already, no room for children needing to
be adopted, people are losing their jobs
left and right, more child abuse, neglect,
along with adults. You really need a
reality check. I seriously doubt that
you are old enough to remember when
abortion was illegal before and what went
on then.
There will always be abortion whether
legal or not or even self-abort, would you
rather see them born and abused and
neglected or aborted, if something is not
wanted then that person should have a
right to have a proper procedure done and
it is none of your business what she
decides to do, you are not walking in her
shoes, you do not have the right to judge,
because maybe their is a rightful reason
she is doing this.
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Izzy
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Posted: 09-06-05 02:26am
"an apple is not an orange, so therefore a
fetus is not a child, it is not even a
baby, it is a fetus."
but an apple and an orange are both fruit
so therefore a fetus and a baby are both
children.
"there is an over-population,"
your wrong we are heading for an
underpopulation crisis with in 20 - 50
yrs, at the moment the population is
rising but that is set to setdy out at 9
billion people and then drop sharplly as
the aging population dies.
And the rest of your post I couldnt be
bothered with.
