Sitck With My Instincts?? Posted: 08-24-05 13:22pm
Hi all -
i am having a lot of different issues that
could be indicative of lupus (possible
scle?) or another ai disorder, and just
wanted to run some of it by those of you
who have also been suffering, and/or
diagnosed. Obviously, I am not looking
for a "diagnosis" on this forum, but
sometimes after leaving my fp doc, I feel
frustrated and think it would be easier to
ignore my symptoms rather than continuing
to see him about them and coming out
feeling like a hypochodriac! Don't
worry, I have committed to taking care of
myself and not ignoring things, but I
thought maybe you all could offer some
guidance as to whether I should continue
to be vigilant and push the docs, or
whether just watching things for a while
might be in order. Any feedback would be
appreciated if you can get through my
post! Sorry it's going to be long.
I'm 36 y/o and to the world, I appear to
be in great health overall. However, I
am truly feeling terrible on an almost
daily basis. My history - I have
endometriosis, that was dx around 27.
Maybe no relation to an ai problem, but 2
yrs ago I had pre-cancerous colon polyps
detected & removed (no family hx -
gastro was surprised); last year I had
endometrial polyps removed. Around age
32, I began to experience bowel
changes...Mom has ibs, and my symptoms are
similar - pain, alternating constipation /
diarrhea. Gastro attributed most to diet
(which I have improved) and age (which was
not nice to hear! At the time was only
34!).
Other history includes itp (idiopathic
thrombocytopenia purpura) 12 years ago
that quickly resolved with prednisone
after being tested for everything under
the sun incl leukemia, lupus, hiv, hep c,
etc. Around same time, had an auto
accident that resulted in lower back disc
injury (relevant later) that turned into
degenerative disc disease (ddd) dx after
bad flare at 29 after the birth of my
daughter. Also began to have problems
with my knees - episodes of pain and at
times they "give out" under me; continues
to worsen. Sed rate and mri all normal
then.
*over the past year, or year & a half,
I have begun having what I refer to as
flares of pain - back, knees, very stiff
neck, overall muscle pain, tmj, multiple
mouth ulcers, some shooting pains in
wrists, etc. This is always accompanied
by extreme fatigue, malaise, sometimes a
very low grade fever and lack of appetite,
and lasts anywhere from 1 to 4 weeks at a
time, then I will feel okay for 1-3 wks
(but not what I think I would feel like at
100%) before it "hits" again. Sometimes
the episodes differ slightly and there may
be abdominal pains, bloating and nausea.
I managed to ignore most of this a the
beginning, b/c I was going through the
colon polyp situation and then the
endometrial polyps; but it has all become
more regular and recurring over the last 8
months or so.
In february, I experienced a new pain in
my upper left abdomen that was worse when
lying down and with that, I had a sharp
pain on my left side when breathing in
deeply. Wasn't established w/a fp doc at
tha time, so called my obgyn for guidance;
he sent me to er for chest x-ray afraid I
had pneumonia (had a case of the sniffles
- nothing major preceding). Chest x-ray
was normal, but urine contained white
blood cells, so er doc rx'd antibiotic.
I assume bacteria was present, too, but
she only mentioned wbc; I was asymptomatic
for uti.
2 wks later, established with new family
doc since pain was not subsiding. He
felt it reasonable at that point to order
a ct scan of the abdomen -results were
normal... Sent me on my way. After a
couple more weeks, the ul quadrant pain
and the breathing pain both subsided on
their own. Looking back, I wonder if it
could have been pleurisy? Would that
have shown up on an x-ray or ct or both?
Neither?
Next, in late april or early may, I had an
episode with my usual symptoms when I
noticed strange mottled appearance to the
palms of my hands. Pads of the palm at
base of thumbs were purple-looking, and
this was the first sign of itp that i'd
had 12 yrs ago. Other areas were
reddish, just looking different than usual
(didn't really look like pics of raynaud's
I looked up, but who knows...?) feared
itp and went to doc next day and saw a
different one since mine was out for the
week. He was concerned enough about all
of my symptoms and the way I decribed them
as flares coming and going, that he
ordered several tests, though I am
uncertain what all was done. I do know
that the ana was among them and that, as
well as cbc returned normal (incl
platelets), and sed rate was borderline,
but wnl. He was more specifically trying
to rule out ibd, given my bowel and abd
pain issues. That, too, was negative.
He felt I should continue to watch things
and check in as needed, since a rheum
would rely on some of the same tests to
begin evaluating me, and they were
normal.
Since then, I have had on and off weeks,
and have f/u w/my actual doc who isn't
quite as concerned about the "flares" as
the other doc seemed. He is very nice
and I feel I have an okay rapport with
him; just think he sees nothing I should
be worried about since so many tests have
been done recently and are normal - and I
can hardly argue with the results of the
tests. Therein lies my predicament; I
feel something is not right, but tests say
all is fine. (and believe me, I am
thankful for that, but it is still
frustrating; as many of you know more than
me).
Most recently (and lastly!), I noticed
small reddish-purple spots on my mid back
beside my spine...They look like
petechiea, but don't know if they actually
are. Assumingly unrelated, I also
developed 3 "ring" lesions at different
areas on my torso and, given their
appearance, I began treating them with an
otc anti-fungal assuming ringworm - ick!
After 1 1/2 weeks, no improvement; went to
doc who visually dx ringworm and
prescribed another anti-fungal. A few
days after that visit to the doc, I
noticed small red, slightly raised spots
on both breasts that were asymptomatic and
looked completely different from the
supposed ringworm. Doc had me come in 1
wk after those began to appear; he didn't
know what it was, but noted it was
different from others and thought maybe it
was just dry skin...Told me to use otc
hydrocortisone and call him if no
improvement w/in a couple days. 5 days
later - no improvement, and I had 3 times
as many spots. The older ones by then
were changing, got a bit larger and a
slight scale appeared on top. As they
continued to change, they did begin to
appear a little bit like the original
ring-shaped lesions. Called doc back who
admitted he was stumped and he prescribed
a combination anti-fungal / steroid cream.
I am only at the 3 day point with that
med, but so far no real improvement,
though the earlier ones seem to now be a
little lighter in color than the new ones
that continue to pop up. The first ring
lesions got larger at about the 3 week
point and have remained unchanged...Still
there. The spots / rings are now all
over my chest, breasts, belly, mid-lower
back, sides, and armpits, with some on my
neck, face and one or two on upper
thighs.
It concerns me b/c it does look like some
pics of the lesions assoc w/ subacute
cutaneous le; but of course, it may just
be something viral or fungal also (though
strange no response to 3 different
anti-fungals or hydrocortisone). I
wouldn't be so concerned if I didn't have
anything else going on; but then again,
ana was negative, so maybe I shouldn't be
thinking of lupus at all...? Has anyone
here had anything similar to any of this?!
Should I continue to be vigilant
checking in with doc considering the
things I am experiencing? Wouldn't it be
reasonable to expect my rash to be scraped
or biopsied at this point since the doc
isn't sure what it is?
Other transient "symptoms" of interest
include heart palpitations (i have had
these here and there since I was about
20...Was significantly worse when I was on
the course of prednisone for itp). These
leave me breathless and are always scary,
but they only last 10 seconds or so. I
have 3-5 headaches per week with at least
1-2 migraines monthly. I often have
mouth ulcers and these usually accompany
my episodes. When I was put to sleep for
the endo polyp removal, I had 10 or so in
my mouth when I woke up that lasted for
more than 2 weeks afterward. These could
have been due to trauma from the breathing
tube insertion, etc., but I didn't have
any other signs of something like that not
going smoothly. I have had several
urinalysis' that have contained wbc's
&/or protein; another last week.
I've had visual changes; and just feel my
brain isn't "clear" sometimes. I am in
sales and have to learn technical data
that has always come easily to me. In
recent months, i've felt my acumin for
that has diminished...Though I haven't
admitted that to anyone. I also feel a
lack of motivation at times because it's
just so tiring to do all I have to do, so
it may just be attributed to that. I've
never had the malar rash, but have always
been sun-sensitive, and now I am beginning
to see red spots (that stay) on my nose
and forehead in-between eyebrows, with a
few on cheeks under my eyes. I assume
these are not anything to do with a malar
rash...But how does one get the malar
rash? Does it come and stay? Or is it
temporary and recurring?
Okay, I think that about covers it, and
again, I am sorry for the length of the
post. You all know lupus is a "full
picture" disease, so I felt I needed to
mention all the things i've experienced in
order to get my full picture across.
Any feedback or insight would be greatly
appreciated!! Truly2
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margaret napierskip
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 Aug 2005 Posts: 1 Location: erie pa 16504
Posted: 08-28-05 16:24pm
Have you looked up fibromyalgia, it took
me five years to find out..It has many
strange effects on the body including
rashes...Were liver studies done...Check
for yeast problem. ...Check on net
american gulf war association ...Gook luck
peg
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truly2
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 24 Aug 2005 Posts: 2
Posted: 08-28-05 18:48pm
Thank you, peg. I haven't considered
fibromyalgia, but will look into it, as
well. My fp doc finally got me in with
the dermatologist and I go in 2 days. At
least that will be a start toward
confirming and ruling out things. I
appreciate your reading my post and
replying.
T
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kait77
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 29 Jul 2005 Posts: 13
Posted: 08-29-05 23:17pm
Has your kidney function been tested?
Protien in urine is not good and neither
is wbc in urine. Your doctor sounds like
he doesn't have a clue what he is dealing
with and thus is assuming since the tests
that were run are normal nothing is really
wrong. Hopefully the dermy will do a skin
biopsy- tell him/her about the ulcers in
your mouth too. Take pictures of every
rash you have. You need a referal to a
rhuemy as sometimes the tests are neg for
a while then turn pos. Plus in some rare
cases sle patients can be neg on ana.
Furthermore skin lupus often comes with
neg ana. Have they done any other ai
tests like ra, antiphospholipid
antibodies, lupus anticoglutant, anti sm,
anti ro, anti ccp, the list can go on and
on. Sometimes doctors rely too much on a
single blood test to see what is in front
of their eyes.
I have the malar rash and it varies each
time it appears. Sometimes it only lasts
until I sleep and rest others it is there
for months (literally). Sometimes there
are little lumps in it (not acne type
either) and others it is smooth. My
rhuemy said no one's rash is the same as
anyone else's and a person's rash can vary
each time it breaks out. Sometimes mine
is light others it is bright and very
obvious.
What ever is going on you obviously need
to get to the bottom of it and fast.
Please recall I am not a medical
professional, just a patient so please
keep seeing a doctor and always remember
there is no harm in a second, third, or
fiftieth opinion. Many ai disease
patients spend years searching for a dx
and the longer the search the more damage
that can occur.
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jacqpot
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Joined: 23 Apr 2008 Posts: 2
instincts too! Posted: 04-23-08 17:58pm
I am in a similar situation, where i have
all kind's of symptoms, but the doctors
don't seem to be connecting the dots. My
brother dreamt that i was 45 yrs old, in a
hospital bed, apparently dying because
doctors didn't believe me when i was
trying to tell them what type of illness
to treat me for.
I was first diagnosed with chronic kidney
disease 5 yrs ago, and was found to have
50% kidney capacity total. Today I have
30% kidney capacity, with blood in the
urine, the med. asst asked me if i was on
my period.....not possible since i had a
hysterectomy 10 years ago. I am
constantly feeling worn out, and when i
asked my doctor if that was caused by the
CKD he said no. He said my CKD looks like
a Lupus kidney disease, but I don't have
lupus! Last summer i developed a nasty
rash on the side of my neck that was
eventually biopsied and said to be eczema.
My fp was out on maternity leave and her
sub sent me to get an ANA test done, but
it came back false/positive and has not
been retested.
Since last year i have developed a rash
between my eyes, on my left cheek,
forehead, chin, neck, chest, and ears. I
had a slight fever and body chills, lower
back pain, headaches, numb hands and feet
(my finger went numb while i was cooking a
pot of spaghetti which i found kind of
amusing for some reason. )
Anyway, my husband took me to the doctor
to make certain that i remembered to point
out all my symptoms. She said i just
needed to put cortisone on the rashes
twice a day because it's not a malar rash,
but suggested i go back to the
dermatologist if the cortisone doesn't
work. She said i definitely had
Raynaud's...duh! My husband pointed out
that in the morning when i get up to go
potty i'm always supporting my breasts in
my hands because i have been complaining
that they feel swollen and sore,
especially under the armpits....i forgot
to say that i had a thyroid biopsy 6
years ago because my thyroid was enlarged,
but nothing abnormal was found....but my
lovely husband remembered that and so she
had a blood test done to test my thyroid
hormone levels.....all the tests were
good. I also suffer from clinical
depression, so she increased my happy pill
dosage because i must have been looking
really miserable.
Well today a painful mouth sore showed up
out of the blue on the roof of my mouth
(that's NEVER happened before) and i'm
sitting here with a slight temperature,
killer headache, and all rashes flared up.
It's about 7pm
EST and i'm going to bed!
I feel like a pathetic hypochondriac, i'm
only 44 but i feel miserably worn out.
What should i do next....can i demand that
they test me again for lupus?