"but this hardly implies extinction. Some people will still have children. They just won't be people highly motivated by .M.A.T.E.R.I.A.L. Concerns or .S.E.C.U.L.A.R. V.A.L.U.E.S.. Disproportionately, the parents of the future will be people who are at odds with the modern environment--people who either "don't get" the new rules of the game that make large families a liability or who, out of religious or chauvinistic conviction, reject the game altogether."

"today, there is a strong correlation between religious conviction and high fertility. Compare, for example, the us--where as many as 84 per cent believe that jesus was god or the son of god--with the far more secular uk. The us fertility rate, which is the highest in the developed world, is 31 per cent greater than the uk's. Within the us, the pattern is the same. Fully 47 per cent of people who attend church weekly say that their ideal family size is three or more children"

"so does the future belong to those who believe they are commanded by a higher power to procreate? On current trends, the answer appears to be yes."

you see, the world is heading towards a global population meltdown, we will have a population most of which will be over 60, there wont be the work force to pay pensions (and people wonder why governments want euthinasia). Within the next 50 years the population will be well reduced to what it is now, the ungodly are killing their children and thir children will kill them, there is an increase in homosexuality leading to a lower number of procreative couples, the sexualy promiscuis, homosexual and hetrosexual immorality is increasing std's of biblical proportions such as .A.I.D.S. Or .G.R.I.D mostly among people who engage in homosexual activity or pre/extra marital hetrosexual sex, now more than ever the christians should feel the strong calling of god to "be fruitful, multiply and subdue the earth", if we have a strong hold now in the population at 2 billion people if only half those increase their birth rate to 4 children per family in 50 years time we should easily increase our influence in the world.

"so instead force people to reproduce for the sole purpose of paying for your social security? Pay for it yourself. Invest. Don't expect others to reproduce to pay your bills."

no, your right, please dont reproduce, let our children work for your social security, but by the time your old enough to retire we dont know how we will be able to stop you from being killed by the few secular children who remain, you see god cant be beaten, he will always bring about a greater good from the evil perpetrated in society.


A christian world is coming.

and what bill is that?
I know it is legal to shoot trespassers on your property in texas (aka mexicans trying to illegally cross the border). Is that what your talking about?

So what are you saying that .G.W.B is only christian when its in his favour, I couldnt agree more, he plays the game he runs with the fox and hunts with the hounds, he is a political mongrol, like anyother politico, he just happens to realise the strengh he can gain with a christian image. Better a president who kisses our butts than yours tho eh!

Funny.. I though terri schivo was dead? I also though that the government refused to get involved and that her husband (the one who actually killed her by causing her to go into a comma ) won in the case.
Hmm...
Could you inform me more about the bill signed by the president that allowed her to live. I wasnt aware of it. I would love for you to educate me.

Thanks!

Hmm.. Seeing as how on the day she collapsed it was at 4:30am, the ambulance was not called till 5:40 am. The doctors have never found any proof of her suppose "bulimia". Her husband had a lover and children, yet refused to divorce her while she was alive because that would be giving up his right to make her medical decision. He dehydrated her to death and is living off of the money he got from suing her doctors.

Your right, that doesnt sound like he had anything to do with it at all.

She was brain injured, not brain dead. We treat murde*ers better then we treated her.

No need to be prejudice pcfome...
You are one of the most judgemental, close minded people I have ever heard from. Wow. Talk about a racist.

Oh I dont think your prejudice against minorities, you are prejudice against the majority. It must be tough on you, hating almost everyone.

No stereotyping every white person, telling them they are all racist and don't care about the minorities, saying that all people of the christian/catholic faith are all hyprocrites, saying people who have enough money to adopt are all racist, and ect. .. I could go on. In every post I have ever read you have been disrespectful and hateful to everyone.

you are racist against the majority of people. Judging them by their faith and or skin color (if they happen to be white) you are a racist bigot

"glad you are so happy to have such hypocrites in your ranks"

glad believes in christ, yes I am!

Its our weaknesses that make us realise we need the mercy of god, it is through our weaknesses that we experience the power of gods forgivness and through that we experience his love and grace, this is what we aspire to, the love of god, of course we may prophesy, sell all our belongings and give to the poor, be chained, inprisoned, marytered but without love personified in jesus christ we are nothing more than a cracked trumpet, struck metal, we preach the love of god but we can only show that love in a way that is imperfect because we are imperfect, yes we are hypocrits but we know we are and through the power of forgivness, through love and grace of god we can be strenghend to strive for perfection as our father in heaven is perfect. When you see a christian like mother terresa doing good, that is not her, it is the power of god working through her, when you see a christian doing wrong, that is becasue he is not perfected yet, he is still a work in progress.

Well said on that one, pcforme.
Yes, and I am sure that izzy walks around with no clothes on his back, no food in his kitchen and giving it all to the poor and taking in all of these children that are not wanted and baby's that are not wanted after they are born and children that are beaten and abused and then he wants to bring more into the world, he really needs a reality check.

"he really needs a reality check."

i guess mother teresa did too!

There you go again izzy trying to put words in other peoples posts, twisting things, you have always been good at that, I did not say anything about mother theresa. You said that you have changed, you have only changed for the worse. You are a hitler boy. Your hitler religion does not belong here! Take it elsewhere, as you have been told many times before.

Are you kidding me!?!?
Yeah attack mother teresa. Im sure you have done much more in the name of helping children then her. What a hyprocrite she was, saying we need to love one another then actually doing it, helpign people where ever she went. :roll:
why cant you leave religion out of it and just say she was a good person. Oh wait I forgot because you are prejudice.

Ok your right pc, your always right...Thanks for informing me what a horrible person she was. I didnt know before, appreciate it :roll:

#1.) most people that are dehydrated, as your system shuts down, you do not want anything, whatever that has to do with abortion.
#2.) I do agree with pcforme about not promoting poverty as a way of raising children, heck it is here and everywhere where the parents have to have their fix instead of feeding there children and they still let people trade their food card for some drugs and the kids do not eat and some of the kids do not have a home, some live in a broken down car or on the streets.
#3.) why can't we all leave religion out of this and the nazi baloney, it is way out of line here!

She never promoted poverty, are you insane?




She simply lived a life of poverty in order to be closer to the people christ loves, its not that she wanted them to stay in poverty, that just crazy. She gave a life of luxury in order to be closer, a part of the community, she was an example not only to those with money but also to those without, she showed us how to love one another, it has nothing to do with money.



Why cant everyone live comfortably?



Its because of the rich and the greedy, if people followed mother teresa's example and gave everything they had, everyone would have something instead of a few having everything and most having nothing. By giving up a life where by we are to compete with other poor people for increased wealth, she rejected riches to help the poor. She did not want people to live in poverty she wanted us to live in unity, in union with eachother as the family of god.


People call us "the religious right" as if we are right wing conservitives, when if you really examine christianity its where people got the idea for socalism and communism two far left movements. But we are not communism or socilism, we are christianity, neither far right, far left nor in the middle our system is not eforcement but freedom. We want people who have to give to those who have not of their own free will, not like communism where it is forced but where it is freely done by the individual, where they want to help.

"you have freely recieved so freely give"

"it is more blessed to give than to recieve"

"she never tried to lift people out of poverty... Just to show them that you can live in squalor. "

she had no money to give them, only friendship, help, faith, hope and love. Dont be so incredably materialistic, of course people can live a happy and productive life even if the rich and greedy prevent them from living a rich and afluent .L.I.F.E.S.T.Y.L.E.



"i don't know... Ask gwb why he can't live like mt"

i dont know gwb and dont talk to me a polititions, I dont trust any of them. Also I am british so, its not for me to ask gwb, as an american its your duty to ask him and vote him out if your not happy. The reason he is in power in the first place is mostly because of pro choice and the abortion laws

"she rejected riches that could have helped the poor."

no she never, in fact she took many many donations and gave put that money to work to help the poor, she personally rejected a rich life in order that she could give all the riches she recieved to help the poor

"why should someone with money have to give it all away?"

they dont .H.A.V.E. To give it away, we want them to .W.A.N.T. To give it away.

"they worked hard for their wealth. They have the right to have it."

and the poor work harder merely to survive, they work harder than we do, do they have a right to have money the same as we do?

Your right of course they do, its not your fault or my fault or mother teresa's fault that they are in poverty, its ecconomic systems, the rich and greedy people. But we can help, by giving everything like mother teresa, or just a little of what we have in order to help, its people like you and me and more so mother teresa, that are more willing to make the sacrafice than the rich and greedy. You have your right to a comfortable life but so do they, just because of your geographical position dosnt make you more entitled, you know that, they know that, mother teresa rejcted her "comfortable" life that she had every right to, not only as a example to the poor like those in calcutta or the comfortable like those in the west but also to be an example to the rich who control the global ecconomic systems... She rejcedted everything they believed in.... Money, for something god believes in...People, human beings.

"she wanted us to live in poverty"

she wanted people to priortise, she wanted people to want to regard human beings above wealth, greed and selfishness.

"yet you want a socialist government to tell us what to do with our own bodies. Hypocrite."

i am no socialist!
No conservitive!
No facist
no communist

no, I am no polictial minded guy, I want people elected that will protect human beings and treat all fairly.

I do not want them to tell you what to do with your body, I want you to want to priotritise and regard human beings above wealth, greed and all manor of selfishness.


"people with money don't recive their wealth "freely". Most worked damn hard to get were they are today."

you misunderstand, we have freely recieved the earth and all things in it from god. People only work because they need to in order to buy nice things and to survive and also to win approval, this is because of the human implenented ecconomic system.

We dont want to make people work we want people to want to work in order to provide a better world for people to live in, work for each other.

"so give women the right to control their own bodies"


we give you every right over your .O.W.N. Body, it is you who are hypocritical, you want atonomy over your body but your refuse others the right to their bodily attonomy, thats hypocritical!!

So izzy why don't you go out and adopt some of these poor little children that need the loving and understanding and the nazi-religion or whatever religion you have to start changing the world, believe me, the last chance ones are really great.
All of these pro-lifers should go out and adopt at least one instead of having their own, which I realize has been discussed here but so has a lot of other things.
This is why I am glad that women do have choices, choices to continue on with their pregnancy, choices to adopt(which is not one of my favorites because too many of the times adoptions fall through and then they are stuck in one of these foster homes where they are not given the true attention that they would get in a real home setting)or a choice to abort and a choice to vote.