Fluid Between Scalp And Skull :-s Posted: 08-18-05 11:33am
Hi,
hope to get some advice and guidance here.
We have a 9 week old baby. Over the
last couple days we have noticed a
fluid-filled bubble on the back of our
baby's head. Its pretty pronounced,
probably 2"x3". We took her to the local
childrens hospital, where the docs were
perplexed. They took xrays and did not
find any fractures. We also took her to
a pediatrician and he told us there isnt
much to do but wait and see if it goes
away. The baby has been acting normal.
Obviously, we are a bit concerned. I
have read about this type of thing
happening at birth, but not 9 weeks later.
Should I be seeking additional opinions?
Or should I take the docs advice and
wait?
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3kizz
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Joined: 04 Jun 2005 Posts: 308
Posted: 08-30-05 07:04am
Iam sorry but if your anything like me I
would have someone else look at her till
you get some definate answers. Like my
daughter had a bubble over her eyebrow, I
kept going till we found out it was a cyst
of fluid. Now oer time it has drained
itself. Thank god....Let me know
My baby has the same thing. She is 8
weeks old and about a week ago I noticed
the fluid, it was about the size of a
quarter. It is now about the size of an
egg. It doesn't seem to bother her when
I touch it. And she is developing as
expected for her age. The first doctor I
saw told me it was nothing to worry about.
But I got a second opinion and we just
got back from having an ultrasound. Hope
to get the results on friday. I hope it
is nothing. Have you had any other advice
since you previously posted your message?
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barbaralipari
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Fluid On Scalp Posted: 09-30-05 22:10pm
My daughter and I just felt my 8 week old
grandson's scalp and noticed fluid. It
is 11:00pm and too late to call the
pediatrician. We are concerned. He is
perfectly fine. Should we take him to
the er tonight or wait until tomorrow
afternoon for the doctor?
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fumbrunner
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Joined: 18 Aug 2005 Posts: 2
Posted: 10-06-05 13:48pm
Daughter is now approaching 4 months of
age. The fluid is still there, although
it is a bit smaller now. It looks like
it will be there for an extended period of
time.
For those of you that are seeing similar
things in their babies, I will share my
experience. We were shocked and of
course quite worried when we found the
fluid. We were increasingly worried as
the fluid increased. A few different
tests were done to ensure that the fluid
was confined to the area between the scalp
and the skull. First was an x-ray to see
if there were any noticable fractures.
There weren't. Second we had an
ultrasound, as the x-ray does not always
pick up smaller fractures. Finally, to
be safe we had a ct scan done. All came
back negative for fractures or fluid
seeping across the skull.
As long as the fluid is between the scalp
and the skull, there really isnt much
concern. Its constrained and will
eventually disappear. As disconcerting
as it is to see, feel, and worry about the
fluid, there isnt much one could do.
However, any fluid in the area could be
due to a fracture. Therefore, go to your
doctor immediately, ask for the tests that
we went through, and make sure that the
fluid is in fact limited to the area
between the scalp and skull.
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jmommy
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Fluid Between Baby's Scalp And Skull Posted: 12-01-05 12:31pm
Hi! I have an eight week old son who
also has a fluid bubble on the back of his
head between his scalp and skull. We
noticed two days ago and were advised by
telehealth to take him to emergency, which
we did. The doctor said that as long as
he is acting normal, we shouldn't worry
too much...But it hasn't changed much in
the last few days and it looks like a soft
goose egg. Have any of you found out
what this could be? Do you have any idea
of the source of this fluid? Could it be
related to his rapid growth rate? His
birth weight doubled within 7 weeks...???
Any new thoughts would be very much
appreciated! Thanks!
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alicetooljam2
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Posted: 12-16-05 01:16am
Omg! I have been looking for a week for
something that sounded like my soon was
experiencing. My son was 2months old on
dec 7th. It was probably about this time
I discovered a raised "lump" on the
backside of the top of his head from
across the room as my wife was holding
him.
My wife had a harder time giving birth to
my son as apposed to my daughter. It
wasnt a long time, but lots of hard
pushing for an hour. It seemed like my
daughter was out after 4-5 pushes... My
sons head kept turning sideways and wasnt
cooperating, there was even concern the
cord may have gotten around his neck.
After an hour with atleast 2 good breaks
from pushing. The doctor asked my wife
is she wanted her to use the "vacuum." at
this point my wife said, "whatever we have
to do."
the first question I want to ask everyone
was "was the vacuum used during your
births?" my sons head was very soft near
the top in the back and a bit bruised the
first day or 2. He was cone headed for a
day, but it quickly subsided. I was
concerned immediately because my daughters
birth was so perfect. The nurses assured
me that it felt similar to a "waterhead"
baby, but that he was fine and it would go
away over the next couple of weeks.
It did seem to go away or neither of us
noticed it anymore after a week or so.
Suddenly around the 7th of december of so,
it was large enough to see from across my
living room and looked coned or pointy
again. Touching and feeling it horrifies
me! It doesnt feel good and im dying to
know he is fine, to the point of having
nightmares at night...
My mothers a nurse since '79 and she was
concerned, but thought it was nothing to
worry about. After a day or 2 it seemed
tobe able to be spreadcloser to the top of
the head when applying pressure with your
hand. We took him to the doctor after
4-5 days of waiting to see if it would
just go away. Our family doctor said it
definitely feels to be between the skin
and skull and that it was nothing to panic
over, but wanted to refer to a
pediatrician for a second opinion. After
the appointment we ended up taking him to
the doctor my mother works for and he said
it was probably nothing, but it needed to
be checked out more.
The first doctor called back and said
after consulting the pediatrician our son
would probably just be refered to a
neurologist. The neurologist couldnt see
him until jan.23rd, 06.
This wasnt good enough for us so we
decided to take him to the er. After
nearly 4 hours of waiting the er doctor
after talking with a neurosurgeon said "if
its not gone in a week see a neurosurgeon,
but its probably nothing" since the baby
is doing fine otherwise and does not seem
to have any other symptoms. Our son is
going great otherwise. He was born 6 lbs
13 ounces and weights 12.3 at 9 weeks now.
We contacted another neurosurgeon and
are supposed to see him monday, dec. 19th
for an mri. The er one said they didnt
like to mri a baby that young duw to
radiation and having to sedate him...
So after all this im still a nervous wreck
awaiting monday (its friday). I just
want to know what the heck this is???????
My baby has nearly doubled in weight in 2
months as well so I was wondering if
anyone else had the vacuum used at birth
and any updates any of you have. I would
love to hear from yall very soon! Thanks
for listening.
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cullens2
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Posted: 12-18-05 09:16am
Exactly the same here! We have a nine
week old girl, who developed the bubble of
fluid about two weeks ago. Since then it
has, i'd say, quadrupled in size.
The paediatricians were, like in all of
the cases above, baffled. They did the
ultrasound, confirming there was no skull
break and that the fluid was too 'watery'
to be sinister and told us to monitor it.
It got progressively bigger and yesterday
we'd just had enough so took her to
a&e (er). They sent down another
paediatrician who measured it (7cm x 8cm)
and confirmed that because the ultrasound
proved conclusively that there was no
break and our daughter was in good form,
that there was nothing serious (in a
medical sense) to worry about. He did
say that cosmetically it didn't look very
nice and appreciated why we had concerns.
He has told us to continue to monitor, to
return tomorrow (monday 19th) to
remeasure. If it gets worse, they may
consider a full ct scan, although he is
very reluctant to do this as it involves a
general anaesthetic and the risks involved
with that outweigh their concerns.
In answer to alicetooljam2, we had two
failed ventouse (vacuum) attempts in
labour. Please update with any news/
ideas/ info. Thanks all.
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wood30
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Joined: 31 Dec 2005 Posts: 1
Posted: 12-31-05 01:59am
I have a 3 day old son that has the same
problem. It's our second child and this
birth was much more difficult than the
first. 2-3 failed vacuum attempts before
finally delivering via forceps.
We just noticed the fluid bubble on the
crown of his head. He seems to be doing
fine and it doesn't hurt him when we touch
it. No bruising or any other symptoms
other than the raised scalp. About
2"x3".
We're taking him to the pediatrician
tomorrow, and if I remember i'll post a
response on this board.
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InfoMom
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Joined: 08 Jan 2006 Posts: 1
Posted: 01-08-06 09:00am
This sounds so familiar. Our 8 week old
developed a fluid bubble, first the ssize
of a quarter, then a small egg, then a
large egg, and two days later it was the
size of my entire hand. Very
disconcerting.
We took her to the er, a pediatrician, a
consulting pediatrician, and then two
other pediatricians in a different
practice, all who said, "never seen that
before." we had a ct scan, which showed
fluid between the scalp and skull, but no
fractures, cracks, or stress on the
brain.
We are waiting to go a pediatric
neurologist for additional guidance.
As for the baby, she's fine. Eats very
robustly (although a preemie, she's almost
doubled her weight in 8 weeks too), sleep
is normal, not a lot of crying.
She was also a vaccuum baby - two
unsuccessful attempts to vaccuum her out.
I think we're seeing a trend here?
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alie
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Posted: 01-08-06 16:29pm
My baby at 7 weeks developed sorrthing
similiar to what everyone is describing.
He's now 8 weeks. The ped.'s don't know
what it is for sure. Had skull x-ray
done, all neg. His is on the back of
his head. At first was the size of a
nickle, it has probably doubled in size.
The fluid in his is moveable and will make
a bubble when you move your hand in one
direction. It's real soft. Not really
noticeable unless your looking for it.
But i'm sooo worried. The ped's said to
wait and watch it. Hard to do.
Our delivery was not vaccum but was still
hard and ended c-section after 2 hours of
pushing. Baby head on shoulder and sunny
side up.
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edmontonmom
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Posted: 02-03-06 14:39pm
I just discovered a fluid-filled bump -
big!- on the side of my 6 month old baby's
head above her ear. I freaked out and
raced her to our family doctor, whose
level of expertise I trust. He was not
in the least alarmed or concerned by the
lump, which made me feel better.
After he x-rayed to rule out a skull
fracture , he told me that this type of
lump is common in newborns who have had
birth trauma, and occasionally happens in
older babies for silly reasons, like they
were sleeping in a funny position. He
said that the fluid is caused by tiny
blood vessel breaks, and that the fluid in
these lumps will re-absorb into the body
over time.
He asked me to bring my baby back in a
week. I have three days to go, and have
seen no reduction in the size of this
lump. But - it doesn't appear to be
bothering her in any way, so that's good.
I'm going to give it the week and then
take her to a ped's guy if it's still
there, just to have a second opinion.
I found this on another medical-type
website. It describes this sort of a
lump:
"goose egg": you may feel a goose egg
(soft swelling) on your baby's head. This
swelling is caused by tiny blood vessels
that broke under the scalp during labor
and delivery. Fluid from the blood
vessels then squeezes into the scalp
during birth. The swelling may increase
during the first week of your baby's life.
A goose egg may take as long as two to
three months to go away.
I found ehealthforum when specifically
searching for info. On this topic, and
figured i'd put in what I know for the
next parent who comes along seeking
answers to this very weird and alarming
condition.
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scallag
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Joined: 19 Apr 2006 Posts: 2
Posted: 04-19-06 08:37am
I am very curious as to whether any of you
have had resolution of this problem. I
too have a 6 week old, vacuum delivery,
who developed a fluid mass on the skull
that moves at week 5. I was perplexed
when my pediatrician told me not to worry
but could not tell me with any certainty
what the mass was. Please share any new
information you have come across.
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lbsterling
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I Vow to Update Posted: 04-21-06 23:51pm
Identical situation to all those described
above; the fluid appeared at about 5
weeks; we're absolutely certain it wasn't
there before; vaccuum pump used at
delivery; baby doing fine otherwise;
doctors told us to wait and see. (we
haven't ruled out a fracture yet, but I
may not even bother: it's so clear the
baby is fine otherwise, and he hasn't ever
bumped his head).
I vow to update with "what happened" in a
couple months. Thanks to the thread
initiator who did so.
If we get enough people with the same
experience, maybe we can get it added to
the little blurbs that they do about "what
to expect with your newborn." the internet
is so great that we can find people with
similar experience, but sometimes the same
"common" information is repeated so damn
much that you can't find info about
slightly less common but equally important
things.
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Lanier4
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"goose Egg" On Son's Head Posted: 05-01-06 15:24pm
Many thanks to whoever started this
posting. My wife and I have been beside
ourselves with worry and fear for the past
10 days, when a "goose egg" lump appeared
on our son's head between the hairline and
his front soft spot. He is 16 weeks
old.
The really wierd part is that it only
appears when he's vertical/upright. When
laid horizontal, it goes away--strange
given that standing upright usually causes
things to drain, etc. Rather than build
up. Thankfully, he has no adverse
symptoms at all (vomiting, etc.) and its
not painful to him to touch it. He seems
to be developing normally, with weight and
height above average.
Like many others of you, he was born using
a vacuum delivery (took three tries!).
I'm wondering if there is something going
on here...
We too saw our pediatrician who claimed he
had never seen this before. So we went
to a bigtime pediatric neurosurgeon here
in la who also said it was extremely odd
(he too hadn't seen it before) and
scheduled an mri --but we can't get on the
mri's calendar for another 4 weeks,
causing further stress.
I would be greatly appreciative if those
of you who had written earlier could
update your learnings/findings/results.
I imagine that we are all in the same boat
where we are sick with worry. This is
the first and only spot online that i've
been able to find anything similar (and
i've been trolling the web for weeks!).
Hello,
i posted a message back in september about
my daughter having fluid under her scalp -
she was about 2 months old then. I
thought I should give an update as to what
happened.
At five and a half months the fluid
finally went away. Before it did, it
changed from being squishy and moving
around (about the size of a quarter) to
becoming fairly firm, tight, and about the
size of half a golf ball. We also had the
tests mentioned by others above, which
were all negative. Our daughter is now 9
months old and I had almost forgotten
about it as she is such a happy healthy
baby.
My advice to worried parents would be -
you have every right to worry. Go with
your gut. Press your doctor for at least
a brain ultrasound to give you piece of
mind that everything is fine. And try
not to let outsiders (i.E. Your parents)
make you more worried than you need to be.
You know that little baby better than
anyone. Best of luck.
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jleecole
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Fluid Between Scalp Posted: 05-06-06 10:57am
Has anyone figured out what this is? My
baby is 3 months old, and I noticed a bump
on his head about 2-3 weeks ago..It is
squishy, like a bubble of fluid - when you
push one part of it, another part moves.
It doesn't seem to bother him, and the
pediatrician had pretty much the same
response as every one else's doctors have
said. We got an x-ray and there were no
fractures.. So we were told to just keep
an eye on it and it should reabsorb into
the skull over time. I am just curious
to know if anyone has any definitive
answers as to what this is or what could
have caused it. The pediatrician seems
to think that it may be a bruise, but I
have been with my child for the last three
months and I am quite positive that he did
not bump his head. He did have a pretty
sizable bruise on his head when he was
born - I pushed for 3 hours before he was
born c-section, but the doctor says that
we would have noticed this bump/bubble
from birth instead of just noticing it at
2 months..
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Lanier4
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Joined: 01 May 2006 Posts: 2 Location: Los Angeles
Perhaps Some Answers Posted: 05-10-06 10:02am
Quick (thankful!) update from my post a
few weeks ago: after a ct scan and a brain
mri (which was difficult to watch because
babies need sedation and an iv to do it),
our son got a clean bill of health.
Though our pediatrician and a host of
other doctors had not seen such a
condition before, the pediatric
neurosurgeon we saw had seen this many
times. He explained to us that its
basically a big, popped blood blister that
for some reason had formed underneath the
skin: that's why its squishy (due to the
fluid that is floating around). He said
that though it definitely causes anxiety
for parents, its harmless to the kid and
the body will slowly reabsorb the fluid
over the next few months.
I asked him whether he thought the blood
blister (i think the technical term is
hematoma) was from the vacuum extraction
and he said he doubted it because it came
on so late (4.5 months); he thought it was
from him bumping his head sometime. But
I remain convinced -- especially after
this bulletin board thread-- that it has
to do with difficult deliveries,
especially if the cranium is stuck in the
birth canal for too long.
Hope that helps those of you who are
concerned. I think the lesson is that if
your baby is acting normally (alert,
eating and sleeping well, etc.) and the
bump doesn't seem to hurt him/her, you are
probably in the clear. But the tests we
had done -- while stressful -- definitely
gave us peace of mind. Best of luck!!!!!
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alicetooljam2
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Joined: 16 Dec 2005 Posts: 5
Posted: 06-04-06 01:39am
Im here to post an update. I posted in
december when my son was 2 1/2 months old.
In jan(3mths old). We had the mri and a
catscan in feb(4 mths old). Both came
back showing nothing wrong with the brain.
We were told to wait it out and to come
back if it got any larger but not to worry
unless the baby started having seizures,
etc. It was strange because his would
vary in size by week and even by day at
times it seemed. It would literally
almost go completely away and come back
the next week.
At about 6 months of age it finally went
away and hasnt came back. I will tell
everyone not to get too concerned about
it, though I know its impossible not to.
I do think it has something to do with
vacuum births! There are too many in
this thread alone that have that in common
and I have read similiar things on other
boards.
I do have some concerns with my babies
head although the lump is long gone. He
has a large head, which is flat on the
back in some areas. We were also told he
had torticollus when taking him in for the
catscan. He doesnt like to turn his head
to the left. He will do it to an extent,
but never rapidly or as far left as he can
go to the right.
I think this is contributing to being
behind in normal baby things as well.
Hes not sitting up by himself and he will
be 8 months on the june 7th. He's alert,
coos, and giggles alot, but he doesnt seem
to "talk" that much (no dada or mama
yet). As I said he doesnt sit by himself
yet and doesnt have any interest in
crawling though he does creep a bit.
He is the happiest, most content baby ive
ever been around, but yet I cant help but
worry about him, his development, and the
size of his head. He does seem to be
growing into it a little more in the last
month. Its just been so different then
my 3 year old daughter who was/is perfect
during infancy despite a few ear
infections.
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scallag
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Joined: 19 Apr 2006 Posts: 2
Posted: 06-27-06 14:27pm
I too wanted to post an update for any
worried parents out there. My daughter
developed the same described fluid filled
bump at week 5 after a difficult vacuum
delivery. It is just now completely gone
at week 16. My advice is to demand the
described tests, ie. X-ray, ultrasound,
ct scan for piece of mind. Although it
was very difficult to watch my 8 week old
be anesthetized, it was extremely
relieving to find out that there was no
tear of the dura/brain covering which was
suspected. Although the doctors seem to
be surprised at the late onset of the
hematoma, it appears from this log that it
isn't that unusual. Best of luck to
everyone and try not to worry too much.