It was a question...It wasn't a remark. What exactly are you wanting proof of?

I'm asking people that are pro-choice but anti-death penalty to explain why they feel the way they do. What do I need to show proof of?

It is not a fallacy to compare the two. They are both issues of taking life. They can very well be compared.

My concerns with the death penalty lie in 1. The potential to execute an innocent person and 2. That it is not applied equally as to race, economic status, race of victim etc. I have little sympathy for those who are guilty who get executed.

The difference between that and abortion, though - is that the convicted criminal is not residing in and attached to the body of another.

Well said ms rosie, it is toooo bad that pro-life are this mis-understood but it is just the way it seems to be around here anymore, kind of funny but yet they are pretty sad to be this way.

it is really sad to see the hypocrisy of pro choice,yes we are misunderstood but you lot are not pro choice = no choice

The main reason i'm pro-choice is because, like prohibition, regardless of the law people are still going to do it. I'd rather young women visit clinics than visit some back alley operation and have it done with a coat hangar.

In cases of rape and incest I can understand abortion. And quite frankly some babies are better off never having lived. Better to die in the womb than be born to a crackwhore or an abusive mother.



As for the death penalty, i'm not for it. A it costs more to put a man to death than it does to keep him locked up. And b, death is merciful. Make the mu rderers spend the rest of their lives in a cell mulling over what they did.


P.S. I can't believe the word mu rderer is censored. What kind of board is this?

So we should make everything legal because the laws will be broken anyway. Well lets just make it legal to homicide our neighbors..Hey it happens anyway so it may as well be legal right?

Lets make drinking and driving legal to because so many people do it anyway.


Right...Lets just live in total anarchy.

No, we shouldn't. But laws based solely on morality are unnecessary. It's debateable wether or not there is a victim in abortion. You say there is, many say there isn't. It isn't debatable when a man is shot and killed for his wallet.

Webexplorer83, you have a lot of good points, I must give you credit for most, the only thing is, to many of the prisoners or jailers are treated too well for what they have done, if they are caught molesting or totally abusing a child they should be shot on sight, case closed but oh no, they have more rights then we do, they should be treated like the prisoners get treated in that one place in az. I realize that they have hung innocent men which is sad and they still do. Their are times that I feel that these police feel that they are afraid to shoot someone in fear of losing their jobs.
Look @ viet nam alot of our guys came back dead or so messed up because, they had baby's in diapers and children handling guns bigger then they were that were taught to kill our men and alot of our men could not kill them because that is how our men were taught. It had to been hell.

Killing shouldn't be used as birth control. I agree with wex in that laws based soley on morality are wrong (like religious laws...Homosexuality and such for example-even though I am personally against that marriage or adoption or whatever, all of my reasons are moral and shouldn't be political too). Abortion has a victim and that victim is the child. There is a life. 2 weeks it has a heart beat. It's forming brains and such. I watched an ultrasound of an abortion and to say a baby can't feel pain is just pure ignorance. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that the baby flinched when the doctor went in there after it. And if it's that technical a 6 month old fetus can survive without its mother. This is not soley morality. Just as homicide isn't soley morality. As is suicide. Two people, two souls are involved in this. I said this in another post, and was corrected that 5% of all abortions are for medical, rape and inscest reasons. So 95 out of 100 babies are killed because their hussy mom's didn't strap up their partner? Seems a little irresponsible if you ask me.
And I know exactly what I said, don't try to throw this back in my face, I am 19 and got pregnant unexpectedly, quit my job because of morning/all day sickness and don't have a college education. Thankfully the father and I are getting married soon, but I do know what i'm talking about in this situation. And my father was supposed to be aborted medically for my grandmothers safety, but she decided against it. So here I am with a direct influence in the 5% of medically requested abortions and the 95% of birth control abortions. And to me, there's no excuse to kill an innocent baby. Bottom line is, we're keeping abortion legal so women don't have to take responsibility for their actions. If i'm wrong please tell me, but I don't see abortion being the best solution ever.

Sorry this is long, I got carried away :) I agree with skar, I don't think capital punishment is right either. Most people I know feel this way, but don't want to pay tax dollars to shack them up in prisons with satellite tv and tennis courts, so they figure killing them would save money...But all my opinions on that are about as lengthy as the ones i've given and i'll save you all from my rants again.

You my friend probably have the least tact in approaching someone with a disagreement that I have ever witnessed.
If I had to guess, you're a 14 year old boy with no other life than to sit at your computer and insult people with different views than yourself. Real grown up.

I agree totally with sara, actually. There's nothing that disgusts me more than a person who isn't willing to take responsibility for her actions. When you choose to have sex you choose to take a risk. Several in fact. It's still a tricky issue in my mind, though, and I haven't really decided where I fall in the pro-choice/pro-life debate. In some ways I can't help but think some of those babies are better off aborted. If a woman wants to abort her child solely because her guyfriend knocked her up what kind of mother would she make? Sounds to me like she's far too irresponsible to keep the child clothed and fed, much less provide a quality life for it. There's nothing sadder than an unwanted child.

Believe it or not, capital punishment costs more than life without parole. Studies have shown that executions typically cost between 1 and 7 million bucks. Life imprisonment is only about $500,000. It's all thanks to a never ending succession of appeals.




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can't we keep this an intelligent, mature discussion? Or is that asking too much from some of you?

It takes two to tango. But ultimately the final decision lies with the woman. Not that the guy is any less at fault.

Web, I think it is asking too much of some people. I guess its harder for some people to make their opinions in a adult manner without insults. But just because that comes easy for me I guess doesn't mean it comes easy for anyone else.

Pc,

you have serious issues, you have nothing better to say then to call saraanne a promiscuous person.

I mean what is the point of you posting here? You have absolutely no valid statement or even an opinion.

So you should try to control your out bursts of anger. Which I can only assume comes from the lack of love and support in your life.

I have no standing at all on abortion.. But I dont go bashing others opinions just because I dont agree with them. And I dont call a pregnant 19 year old girl who has a man that loves her. Any names. Thats are just ridiculous to assume that she is any of those things.

Please for the rest of the people posting here just get on with your life. And stop polluting the internet with you nonsense.

i didnt ignore anything. And this is the last I will say. I have better things to do then to waste my time arguing with a b*tch

suffer suffer suffer troll ;)

you only wish someone besides your daddy would medical question you!

Ditto

please explain to me how I am not prochoice (in your opinion)

Did anyone hear about the russian who kept spamming people and harrassing people online in chat rooms and forums??
Someone got so mad at him, they hunted him down and shot him.
No joke, was on the news the other day.