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Transmobius

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Posted: 02-20-08 11:07am

I posted a WARNING about 16 different websites that are all identical except for the name of the malady that they cure. They are obviously a SCAM but you may not notice unless you are searching for more than just your particular condition.

I have Cholinergic Urticaria, I also have a great deal of skepticism. I did some research on the first website mentioned and eventually came across the other 15. All the same. Either this was a miracle cure for so many things, or this person/people were simply preying upon the ill.
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skitomcat1

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I would love some help because as we speak...im itching!!
Posted: 02-20-08 14:44pm

1. I need a way to easily make myself sweat Without doing too much! Because right now I cant do anything...In the beggining I could tough it out until I sweat but i havent worked out in awhile and last night i started to run and it was the worst, itching, burning, tinging, twitching EVER. Right now i cant even chase after my girlfriend without having an attack. Does anyone know an easy way to start sweating

2. I need to know exactly what vitamins you all are taking and what store, preferably website I can get them at.

3. Im a college kid so hearing this stay away from alcohol thing is kinda hard. I mean im not going to lie 2 drinks in and i can just feel the itching coming more and more until I have to leave whereever I am. But after 4, 5, or 6 im usually so out of it that I dont feel anything. I mean i know its terrible to say but im always feeling my best on weekends when im pretty "tipsy". There has got to be a better way!!

4. What has been working for me lately is not taking the medicine at night when im home and can control the temperature. and then kind of "surprise" my body with the medicine during the day. It seems as if my body gets used to the hydroxyzine very fast making it almost useless sometimes.

5. Next Im sorry this post is so long but this page is helpful....will my kids in the future have this or will my girlfriend get it from me??

6. Lastly, What do you all tell people?, Cuz i say some things and people look at me like im crazy, like im lieng, or like im just some pathetic guy with serious issues popping pills all the time. I mean ive said the allergic to heat line when im just too tired to explain and lastly ive said the cholinergic Urticaria line when i want ppl to feel bad. but frankly most ppl find it gross or wierd so what do u all do?? Frankly the only advantage I have is that im a 18 year African American Male and people can't see the red spots on my body!
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josh6552

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Posted: 02-21-08 17:24pm

Hey everyone,

I thought I would post an update to let you all know the situation on my CU, so far I'm still taking Loratadine which still blocks the outbreak completely and Zyrtek works just the same and this is what works for me. I hope everyone that has CU finds a way to manage it!
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Duper

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Posted: 02-22-08 01:16am

Hey guys, just wanted to tell you guys that the vitamins have been a great help. It's been a couple of weeks and I feel so much better. As I mentioned earlier, the vitamins are cheap, so pick them up asap.

I'm getting my dental work done during this month. My appointment is the upcoming Thursday, and I think it's going to be very promising. I'll let you guys know after everything's done, though. I wish you guys luck!
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Jon Law

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Posted: 02-22-08 09:27am

Any chance people could just post up what age they are? Does this thing stop at a certain age. I'm 23 and hoping it'll go soon.
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raversrevenge

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Posted: 02-22-08 10:21am

Hi all, just thought i would put my penny's worth in.

Im 23 from england, and have suffered cholinergic urticaria since i was 15. Comparing my reactions to some of the others on this forum, sometimes mine seem worse, sometimes mine seem not so bad. But anyway, just thought i would try and cheer everyone up.

Couple of weeks ago i was playing football (soccer) for my local sunday league team. Sure enough after 15 mins, the rash arrives and although it itches like mad, i can just about put it to the back of my mind. Anyway, one player from the opposition team was marking me, and when the ball was down the other end of the pitch, he said "whats that rash u got?"
I said, "yeah i should have said something before the game, its contageous". He looked at me puzzled. Then for the rest of the day, every time i received the ball, he was no where near me. I ended up scoring the winner and we won 4-3.

In hindsight, i know i shouldnt have said it was contageous, but we CU sufferers are a forgotten section of the medical community i feel. I feel this, because its not life threatening and there are more important diseases to cure. This is true, but what if i was driving home after the game, itching like mad and caused a massive pile up on the road...?

CU might not kill you or I, but it could kill someone else.

We need a cure!!!

P.s. I told the other player at the end of the game that he had nothing to worry about and explained all about CU.
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Transmobius

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RE-POST: Watch out for this (w/permission of the Forum Admin)
Posted: 02-22-08 10:26am

The eHealth forum administrator has told me I can re-post this formerly deleted warning:
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I came across this site and was momentarily hopeful . . .

http://hivescure.com/

Then I dug a little and found these:
http://sarcoidosiscure.com/
http://sebaceouscystcure.com/
http://addisonsdiseasecure.com/< /a>
http://guillainbarresyndro mecure.com/
http://myastheniagraviscure.com /
http://sclerodermadefeated.com/< /a>
http://asthmadefeated.com/
http://ganglioncystcure.com/
http://laryngitiscured.com/
http://menopausedefeated.com/
http://anemiadefeated.com/
http://lymediseasecured.com/
http://endometriosisdefeated.c om/
http://staphinfectioncure.com/
http://www.sarcoidosiscur e.com/

Caveat emptor.
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ffmolano

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hey guys im getting better
Posted: 02-26-08 10:33am

ok well heres what i realized

Most doctors dont know much about this condition we have what they do is treat the symptom and not the illness ive been to so many doctors and they all say the same thing and would give me different medications that do the same thing. so i told myself i would stop going to a medical doctor and try somthing different.

So i went on the hunt and i found a doctor in accupressure and nuerolink. so i thought what the heck it wouldnt hurt right? So i went to this doctor and whitout me even telling him i use to have thyroid problems ran some wierd test just by putting his hands on different pressure points on my body and found excactly what was wrong with me. i was amazed he said i have a weak thyroid and weak adrenal glands which are two major organs that cause the hives that i get. i was amazed!! well he gave me two herbal medicines thymex and congaplex both 2 boosts my immune and adrenal glands. took those for about two weeks and went back. then he started correcting all of my weak electrical currents in my body. i know it sounds wierd i thought i it was fake well nothing happend for about two months then all of the sudden i i went outside to help with some work and they didnt come out at all and i was suprised, i thought it was a fluke, but then i was moving heavy stuff out of my apartment when the hives would normally appear they didnt its been about 2 weeks that i havnt had any outbreaks. its so relieving not having to worry about the hives..i took a cuple of other supplements and vitamins and i think they help... so to sum it all up heres what i did

Went to and accupressurists and nuerolink doctor

And i still take these supplements

I did a full body cleanser i dont know if it helped but it made me feel better

Congaplex- for adrenal and immune
Thymex- immune system
Vitamin C-immune system
Vitamin E-antioxident
B12-helps for good circulation
(green tea supplment) i think this helped alot- antioxident and anihistammine

Omega complex-good fats and oils,i was taking this before
Drink alot of water
and workout in the mornings (usualy running)and helps with breakouts
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threesixmafia

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Posted: 03-29-08 20:21pm

uhhhh i rather live with CU that use marijuana or ectasy. end of story.
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Yama26

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Posted: 03-31-08 00:48am

threesixmafia wrote:
uhhhh i rather live with CU that use marijuana or ectasy. end of story.


Yeah I agree. I think this is also the guy who changed the wikipedia article and added (without references) that marijuana and ectasy stop the itching under the "treatment" section:

http://en.wik ipedia.org/wiki/Cholinergic_urticaria

I really had no idea how easy it is to edit Wikipedia articles. Anyone can do it. I can go and put false information on tons of articles which wouldn't get changed until someone noticed it.
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Jon Law

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Cure
Posted: 04-01-08 09:48am

I've just read a paper about a patient with CU cured by using anti-IgE therapy. This involved injections with Omalizumab (commercially known as XOLAIR) which is traditionally developed for allergic asthmatics. The patient had severe CU for 5 years, and after the 3rd week he reported noticeable improvements and after the 5th week he had his first attack free week in 5 years. Has anyone else ever heard of this drug? I think it could be very expensive. Here is the link anyway. I don't know if everyone will be able to access it. I can access it through my University.

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com /doi/abs/10.1111/j.1398-9995.2007.01591.x< /a>
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hinrgee

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cholinergic urticaria
Posted: 04-06-08 18:56pm

Wondering if anybody has any good news on their fight for relief. the summer is approaching fast , and depending where you live it gets warm in some places faster. Even though the weather is going to change im still dealing with my work place.. being in stressfull situations and body temp rising in a instant. for those who have found relief i wish you well and those who are still in the battle im with you. We must win at this so stay focus. hismanal (astimazol) they took it of the market for cardiac reasons damn. All drugs work diff. find your self a combo and good luck..
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hinrgee

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cholinergic urticaria
Posted: 04-06-08 19:01pm

Wondering if anybody has any good news on their fight for relief. the summer is approaching fast , and depending where you live it gets warm in some places faster. Even though the weather is going to change im still dealing with my work place.. being in stressfull situations and body temp rising in a instant. for those who have found relief i wish you well and those who are still in the battle im with you. We must win at this so stay focus. hismanal (astimazol) they took it of the market for cardiac reasons damn. All drugs work diff. find your self a combo and good luck..
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hinrgee

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cholinergic urticaria
Posted: 04-06-08 19:01pm

Wondering if anybody has any good news on their fight for relief. the summer is approaching fast , and depending where you live it gets warm in some places faster. Even though the weather is going to change im still dealing with my work place.. being in stressfull situations and body temp rising in a instant. for those who have found relief i wish you well and those who are still in the battle im with you. We must win at this so stay focus. hismanal (astimazol) they took it of the market for cardiac reasons damn. All drugs work diff. find your self a combo and good luck..
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anatta

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Some positive results & insights
Posted: 04-16-08 20:20pm

Previously I posted on the positive effects of homeopathic remedies. For a while I thought I'd be "back to normal," able to go about life as I had before this condition manifested. Unfortunately, after a couple weeks those positive results wore off. This was extremely disappointing, frustrating, enraging, depressing, blah, blah, etc, etc.

After I getting over the emotional funk I sought to find the fundamental cause of hives. Hives are caused by the body's release of histamines. These histamines are produced and stored by the body. They wait for certain triggers so they can be deployed into the blood stream, thus causing the itchy hives we fall a victim to. Fortunately for us, the body can only produce so much histamine in any given amount of time.

After coming to this realization I started TRYING TO GET BREAKOUTS. Sound strange? At first, yes. But consider this: If you try to get breakouts when you are alone or in a controlled environment, the histamines your body has produced and stored up are released. And, for a short time after your skin clears up, your body doesn't have any more left to release! What does this mean? If your body heats up shortly after you have caused a breakout, your body will release less histamine, which will result in less hives.

Over the past couple months I've been intentionally causing these breakouts by jogging 3 miles every day in the mornings. At first my body would be covered in hives. During the first week I had some of the worst breakouts in my life. The physical pain was excruciating (not to mention I couldn't look at myself in the mirror for a good hour afterward). Slowly, however, I noticed that by the end of my runs I would have less and less hives. Throughout the day the attacks I used to get have been infrequent and far less severe.

Fundamentally the body releases histamines in response to what it PERCEIVES as a threat or danger. Somewhere along the way, I suspect my body interpreted an increase in its temperature as a danger. I think consciously triggering the hive outbreaks not only decreases the levels of histamines in my body, but actually retrains or reprograms the body to no longer perceive increasing body temperature as a threat--thus leading to the elimination of this condition entirely.

Your thoughts?

-B
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Jon Law

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re: anatta
Posted: 04-18-08 09:05am

Hey Anatta,
I think if you read back along through some of the posts, you'll see that a number of people have tried exercising and purposefully bringing on the hives with hot showers as a means of depleting histamine stores (myself included).
You're correct about the histamines etc. hence all the anti-histamines that a lot of us have tried. But there's another step before the release of histamine which can be tackled. Histamine is released from mast cells when IgE's bind to the mast cells. I put up a link to a paper a few posts back where some doctors showed that if you get rid of the high levels of IgE (which their patient exhibited and which they believe most CU sufferers may have), then you don't have to worry about dealing with the excessive amount of histamine. It's more effective and less painful!!
They used a drug called Omalizumab (marketed as XOLAIR) which is injected every 2-4 weeks. This binds to the IgE which prevents the IgE from binding to the mast cells, which prevents the release of histamine. They have successfully demonstrated this treatment and a patient who had CU for 5 years is now attack free for the last 22 weeks. This includes provocation from hot baths and exercise.
I've had blood tests taken last week and sent away to measure IgE levels. I will have them back next week and will let you know whether they are abnormally high or not.
The problem with XOLAIR is it is very expensive if not covered by insurance. It is traditionally used to treat allergic asthmatics.
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STAR421

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7 MONTHS OF HELL
Posted: 04-24-08 17:08pm

Hi all a bit about myself,I got CU back in 2006 I started training in the gym after years of being out,anyway thousands of needles and lots of hives took over my life I tried everything the docs threw at me,nothing homeopathic nothing, I remember reading this site back then it was a god send,I hated my life,then came the itchy scalp feet even eye balls,

I went into the hospital out of desperation all tests scans bloods, water came back ok,so off I went still confused,anyway after months of in-activity I went back the gym and decided to spend 2 hours on the treadmil I sweated like a mad man and was soaked in sweat all the needle horrible pain vanished,left me completly I was so happy infact I even forgot how horrible it was I even went on 3 holidays in 2007 including the tropics it was brilliant,I sweated with no pain or nothing ahhh bliss.

november 2007 I had a really stressful event which took its toll on my mental health that night I went to bed and yep it came back I was gutted I got attacked that night by a thousand mozzies and its still with me ,back in december I went the gym and started jogging up hill to make me sweat even more so I then ended up with a ruptured lumbar disc and bad sciatica I feel cursed anyway although still in pain with my back I have decided to hit the treadmil again in the hope my CU will go away I would rather have a bad back than this horrible CU.


I do believe stress is an important factor I just cling on to the hope it went away once so it will go away again.
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Ash2k86

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help with CU
Posted: 04-24-08 23:15pm

hi everyone! I'm also a new onset CU patient. I had one flare up in December, and now, within the last month (March-April), I have been breaking out in hives everytime i exercise. It doesn't matter the temperature...any exertion (increase body temp) causes me to break out. This website has been so helpful. I saw a dermatologist and had blood work up done. Xyzal or Claritin does not help at all. Zyrtec doesn't work etiher, but at least my hives are mild. I'm was reading and am thinking about going on a low histamine diet (avoid all foods with histamine). Does this sound like something that would work? How many days would you try? What foods would you eat?
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Azores

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Posted: 04-28-08 00:06am

Hi everyone,

Im from Azores (a group of 9 islands that belongs to Portugal). My main language is portuguese so sorry my english.

I have Cholinergic Urticaria since 18 years old. Now Im almost 24. With 20 years old I started doing exercise, mountain bike, and the Cholinergic Urticaria after a couple mounths was gone!

With 23 years old I stoped doing mountain bike because I was too busy with my university studies and now a couple mounths after the problem is back, but now it is very worst and Im trying to do mountain bike again but its so hard... the Cholinergic Urticaria is more violent now.

Ill try to do exercise (ride my bike) at morning because its more cold... lets see if it works. My doctor said that to keep doing exercise it works because the body generates tolerance... thats why in the past I get the cure!

it is like that case of that guy that was bitten by a snake but the snake injected just a little of poison and he after a while discovered that had generate tolerance to another bite... do you know what I mean?

Also to ride the bike is refreshing! But atention, you must train in the anaerobic threshold! To push too hard is not good...


go see things about anaerobic threshold and you will understand what I mean!


Stress is also a big problem to all people with this problem... yoga helps too!
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Ash2k86

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Posted: 04-28-08 01:13am

I am a 21 year old female. I haven't tried any homeopathic meds yet. I'm now trying Clemastine Fumarate (Tavist) which is over the counter. We'll see if that works. I remember sweating a lot too in high school when i used to exercise. I would also starting scratching my forarms because they would itch all the time. I'm still trying to figure this out.
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