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Q: How Sick
asked by: FISHX on June 15th, 2005
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Http://www.Wnd.Com/news/article.Asp?Articl e_id=44779


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matters of life and death
abortionist accused
of eating fetuses
kansas city clinic closed
as grisly house of horrors

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posted: june 14, 2005
10:49 p.M. Eastern



© 2005 worldnetdaily.Com

a kansas city abortionist is out of business after investigators discovered a grisly house of horrors at his clinic – with fetuses kept in styrofoam cups in his refrigerator and one employee accusing him of microwaving one and stirring it into his lunch.

The unsanitary conditions in krishna rajanna's clinic prompted legislative approval of new abortion regulations in kansas, a bill that was vetoed by the governor. Rajanna's activities have reportedly been the subject of law-enforcement investigations for nearly two years.


Rajanna first came to the attention of police in september 2003 when he called police to investigate alleged employee theft.

Detective william howard of the kansas city police department responded.

"i thought I had heard and seen every vile, disgusting crime scene, but was in for a new shock when I started this investigation," he would say later. Howard turned the matter over to the local district attorney and three state agencies.

Topping the list of horrors was an employee's account that she and others witnessed rajanna "microwave one of the aborted fetuses and stir it into his lunch," as howard recalled earlier this year when testifying before a kansas house committee.

Rajanna denied the accusation. But he did keep fetuses in styrofoam cups in the refrigerator along with food and drink.

"dr. Rajanna lacked personal hygiene," testified howard. "his hair was messy, hands dirty, and his clothing was wrinkled and stained. He put on old, used foot booties while we were there."

howard testified the clinic was dark, dingy, had poor lighting and smelled musty. There were dirty dishes in the break-room sink and on the table, trash everywhere, and roaches crawling on the countertops. Howard was afraid to sit down.

Howard noted there were no hazardous waste containers anywhere. (an employee later testified rajanna took home all contaminated, medical and biohazard waste for residential trash pick-up.)

as for the "procedure room," howard's partner spotted dried blood on the floor and said the room looked "nasty."

two dishwashers located next to the staff toilet served as sterilizers, according to employee testimony. Photographs show the toilet was bloody and functioned as a human waste disposal in the literal sense.

Can any of you pro choicers justify this?
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trina1
replied on June 15th, 2005
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Re: How Sick
pcforme wrote:
fishx wrote:
can any of you pro choicers justify this?


can you show a non anti choice web site as a reference? World net daily isn't a reputable source for me.


so don't read it. It works for me. :wink:
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mom2trevor
replied on June 15th, 2005
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I've read that fish and it's horrible and nasty!!
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trina1
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mom2trevor wrote:
i've read that fish and it's horrible and nasty!!


just another one of the great abortionists this country has to offer. :twisted:
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msrosie
replied on June 16th, 2005
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There are incompetents and psychos in every aspect of medicine - why do people use the psychos in abortion as a reason to ban the procedure? Should we use the pedophile priests in the catholic church as a reason to ban religion?

Incompetent or dangerous doctors in any specialty should lose their license - cardiology, orthopedics, neurology, pediatrics, gp's, obgyns, etc etc.

Rosie
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FISHX
replied on June 16th, 2005
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msrosie wrote:
there are incompetents and psychos in every aspect of medicine - why do people use the psychos in abortion as a reason to ban the procedure? Should we use the pedophile priests in the catholic church as a reason to ban religion
rosie



yes please that would be a start.
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replied on June 16th, 2005
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steen
replied on June 16th, 2005
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Funny how only the rabidly anti-choice lying worldnetdaily have "picked up" on this story. Perhaps you can show where some real news service have found this claim credible?

But I guess that when you are fed lies, you gobble them up
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msrosie wrote:
there are incompetents and psychos in every aspect of medicine - why do people use the psychos in abortion as a reason to ban the procedure? Should we use the pedophile priests in the catholic church as a reason to ban religion?


Incompetent or dangerous doctors in any specialty should lose their license - cardiology, orthopedics, neurology, pediatrics, gp's, obgyns, etc etc.


Rosie


maybe the same reasons that pc'ers always jump to the conclusion that all pl'ers want to kill abortion drs and clinic workers, and want to bomb abortion clinics.
I agree....There are extremists in every walk of life. These few don't represent the whole. Perhaps that needs to be remembered the next time someone goes off on a tangent about all pl'ers wanting to kill those that preform abortions. Just a thought.
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msrosie
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trina1 wrote:

maybe the same reasons that pc'ers always jump to the conclusion that all pl'ers want to kill abortion drs and clinic workers, and want to bomb abortion clinics.
I agree....There are extremists in every walk of life. These few don't represent the whole. Perhaps that needs to be remembered the next time someone goes off on a tangent about all pl'ers wanting to kill those that preform abortions. Just a thought.



i don't believe that I have ever said that they did.

Rosie
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trina1
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msrosie wrote:
trina1 wrote:

maybe the same reasons that pc'ers always jump to the conclusion that all pl'ers want to kill abortion drs and clinic workers, and want to bomb abortion clinics.
I agree....There are extremists in every walk of life. These few don't represent the whole. Perhaps that needs to be remembered the next time someone goes off on a tangent about all pl'ers wanting to kill those that preform abortions. Just a thought.



i don't believe that I have ever said that they did.


Rosie


i wasn't talking about you personally. I think we all know who I was referring to. And not just her either. I have heard that many times. We tend to clump all into one group.
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trina1
replied on June 16th, 2005
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steen wrote:
trina1 wrote:
steen wrote:
fishx wrote:
(i didn't bother to go back any further) referred back to the wnd article. That means that none of these sources are reporting their own stuff, merely re-stating wnd's article. So?
pro-choicers never do that. :roll:
eh? Fishx seemed to try to respond to the claim of other, reputable news sources reporting on this. But as fishx's link to google showed, the sources all merely re-reported the wnd's unsubstantiated claim.




As I pointed out, if this had really occured, it would be big news and we would see it on cnn and abc.




If it didn't really occur....Don't you think pc'ers near and far would be having a field day with the supposed lie? Don't you think lawsuits would be flying and that pc'ers would be using this to the hilt to prove what "liars" pro-lifers are? Use your head. The pc'ers aren't saying a word...Why? Most likely because it is true...And they know it is.



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trina1 wrote:
if it didn't really occur....Don't you think pc'ers near and far would be having a field day with the supposed lie? Don't you think lawsuits would be flying and that pc'ers would be using this to the hilt to prove what "liars" pro-lifers are? Use your head. The pc'ers aren't saying a word...Why? Most likely because it is true...And they know it is.
person fool liar, pl do this all the time. This is just another of the incessant, rightwing fascist lies that are spewed day and night from pl. It is pointless to bother with any big dealing with that.

And we already proved that you guys lie all the time, as when we point out your lies about fetal pain, about abortion/breast cancer, about near-term abortions and what not. Yes, you guys lie all the time, this is just another in your long list of lies, incredibly' scumbag creeps.
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steen wrote:
trina1 wrote:
if it didn't really occur....Don't you think pc'ers near and far would be having a field day with the supposed lie? Don't you think lawsuits would be flying and that pc'ers would be using this to the hilt to prove what "liars" pro-lifers are? Use your head. The pc'ers aren't saying a word...Why? Most likely because it is true...And they know it is.
person fool liar, pl do this all the time. This is just another of the incessant, rightwing fascist lies that are spewed day and night from pl. It is pointless to bother with any big dealing with that.


And we already proved that you guys lie all the time, as when we point out your lies about fetal pain, about abortion/breast cancer, about near-term abortions and what not. Yes, you guys lie all the time, this is just another in your long list of lies, incredibly' scumbag creeps.




and you are entitled to your opinion. Thank you so much for sharing your thoughts and feelings with us. But as anyone with a ounce of since knows...All you have proven here is what "you" personally think and feel. Nothing more. I am sure if anyone is really interested in what the "truth" is....They will research for themselves.... Make up their own mind....And not simply take one individuals one-sided opinion as fact. Again...Thank you for sharing.
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fishx wrote:
http://www.Google.Co.Uk/search?Hl=en &safe=off&q=abortionist accused ea ting fetus &spell=1




state board revokes abortion doctor’s license
by john hanna - associated press writer

sunday, june 12, 2005

topeka — more than two months after disciplinary action forced him to close his kansas city, kan., abortion clinic, Dr. Krishna rajanna has lost his license.

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the state board of healing arts voted unanimously saturday to revoke rajanna’s license. Earlier this year, his case became the focus of a legislative debate over regulating abortion clinics.

A board inspector made two surprise visits in march to rajanna’s clinic, reporting that the facility was unclean and that rajanna and his staff kept syringes of medications in an unlocked refrigerator. The inspector also reported finding a dead mouse in the hallway.

Rajanna argued that he had not been given an opportunity to meet with the inspector to correct the deficiencies. He also said in his 10 years of performing abortions in kansas city, no patient has ever complained about his care.

But board members concluded that rajanna’s clinic represented a danger and said that as a doctor, he shouldn’t have needed the board’s prodding to keep a clinic clean and safe.

Rajanna can appeal the decision to district court. His attorney, robert manske, said rajanna will decide soon whether to challenge the board’s action.

Manske told the board that revoking rajanna’s license would hurt poor patients, saying rajanna’s clinic operated in a low-income neighborhood and charged reasonable fees for services no one else would provide. Manske also said the problems cited by the inspector could be corrected.

“it’s kind of like driving a tack with a sledge hammer in this case,” he told the board. “there are no patients in here telling you he did bad things to them.”

but board member nancy welsh, a topeka-area doctor, said the board should not permit lesser standards of cleanliness and safety because a clinic’s patients are poor.

Board members also noted that rajanna had been previously disciplined, in 2000 and 2001, for not properly testing his patients for their blood types and for improperly labeling medications. Also, in february, rajanna signed an agreement to improve his clinic’s conditions and paid a $1,000 fine.

Rajanna told board members he’d improved the labeling of syringes containing medicines for patients and had wanted to have the inspector review them.

But board member ronald whitmer, an ellsworth osteopath, said he didn’t care whether the inspector or someone else would have told rajanna if the labels were proper.

“that’s something you should have learned in medical school,” he told rajanna.

Rajanna’s clinic became part of the legislature’s debate on abortion last year, when atty. Gen. Phill kline released photos he said an informant had taken inside the clinic in 2003.

Kathleen ostrowski, legislative research director for kansans for life, the state’s largest anti-abortion group, noted the lag in time between questions about rajanna’s clinic first arising and the board revoking his license.

Also, she said, many poor women won’t come forward if they’re harmed by an abortion, out of fear, shame or a lack of medical knowledge.

With rajanna’s case pending, abortion opponents won legislative approval this year of a bill requiring abortion clinics to obtain an annual license from the department of health and environment, hire surgeons as their medical directors and report patient deaths to the state within a day. The measure also mandated that kdhe set standards for equipment, medical screenings, ventilation and lighting.

But gov. Kathleen sebelius, an abortion rights supporter, vetoed the measure, saying medical professionals — not legislators — should set standards.

Ostrowski said rajanna’s clinic should have been shut down long before it was.

“what other branch of medicine could get away with any of this?” she said.

Http://www2.Ljworld.Com/news/2005/jun/12/a bortion/?Politics
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steen
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Yeah, let people " make up their own mind" about a pl lie. Yes, you wouldn't mind of some pl are stupid enough to believe it. Pl do seem to believe a lot of lies, after all.

Per pc's question, when this is proven to be just another hyperbolic lie, you will "forget" to admit that you are wrong, instead running with the next pl lie. Nice dishonest game you are playing there, showing yourself to be a true pl.
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Nice repost, trina. Where did it say anything about eating fetuses? Gee, could it be just another pl hyperbolic lie? Nah, really? Business as usual? Be still my heart, I can't take the surprise.
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Published sunday, june 12, 2005

board revokes abortion doctor's license

kansas city, kan., physician cited previously for poor conditions

a d v e r t I s e m e n t
by john hanna
the associated press
more than two months after disciplinary action forced him to close his kansas city, kan., abortion clinic, Dr. Krishna rajanna has lost his license.


The state board of healing arts voted unanimously saturday to revoke rajanna's license. Earlier this year, his case became the focus of a legislative debate over regulating abortion clinics.


A board inspector made two surprise visits in march to rajanna's clinic, reporting that the facility was unclean and that rajanna and his staff kept syringes of medications in an unlocked refrigerator. The inspector also reported finding a dead mouse in the hallway.


Rajanna argued that he hadn't been given an opportunity to meet with the inspector to correct the deficiencies. He also said in his 10 years of performing abortions in kansas city, no patient has ever complained about his care.


But board members concluded that rajanna's clinic represented a danger and said that as a doctor, he shouldn't have needed the board's prodding to keep a clinic clean and safe.


Rajanna can appeal the decision to district court. His attorney, robert manske, said rajanna will decide soon whether to challenge the board's action.


Manske told the board that revoking rajanna's license would hurt poor patients, saying rajanna's clinic operated in a low-income neighborhood and charged reasonable fees for services no one else would provide. Manske also said the problems cited by the inspector could be corrected.


"it's kind of like driving a tack with a sledge hammer in this case," he told the board. "there are no patients in here telling you he did bad things to them."

but board member nancy welsh, a topeka-area doctor, said the board shouldn't permit lesser standards of cleanliness and safety because a clinic's patients are poor.


"why do they deserve a dirty clinic?" she said.


Board members also noted that rajanna had been previously disciplined, in 2000 and 2001, for not properly testing his patients for their blood types and for improperly labeling medications. Also, in february, rajanna signed an agreement to improve his clinic's conditions and paid a $1,000 fine.


Rajanna told board members he had improved the labeling of syringes containing medicines for patients and had wanted to have the inspector review them.


But board member ronald whitmer, an ellsworth osteopath, said he didn't care whether the inspector or someone else would have told rajanna if the labels were proper.


"that's something you should have learned in medical school," he told rajanna.


Rajanna's clinic became part of the legislature's debate on abortion last year when attorney general phill kline released photos he said an informant had taken inside the clinic in 2003.


Kathleen ostrowski, legislative research director for kansans for life, the state's largest anti-abortion group, noted the lag in time between questions about rajanna's clinic first arising and the board revoking his license.


Also, she said, many poor women won't come forward if they're harmed by an abortion, out of fear, shame or a lack of medical knowledge.


"there is a problem here," she said. "is the public being protected?"

with rajanna's case pending, abortion opponents won legislative approval this year of a bill requiring abortion clinics to obtain an annual license from the department of health and environment, hire surgeons as their medical directors and report patient deaths to the state within a day. The measure also mandated that kdhe set standards for equipment, medical screenings, ventilation and lighting.


But gov. Kathleen sebelius, an abortion rights supporter, vetoed the measure, saying medical professionals -- not legislators -- should set standards.


Manske had urged board members not to allow pressure from abortion opponents to "stampede" them into revoking rajanna's license.


"i don't think you've got to throw away a doctor here," he said. "he's a good man."

however, ostrowski said rajanna's clinic should have been shut down long before it was.


"what other branch of medicine could get away with any of this?" she said.

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steen
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Still not a word about eating fetuses. Your lie is till unproven, fool.
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steen wrote:
nice repost, trina. Where did it say anything about eating fetuses? Gee, could it be just another pl hyperbolic lie? Nah, really? Business as usual? Be still my heart, I can't take the surprise.


duh? I don't write the news....I just copy and paste what someone else writes. And besides....I never said he did eat a fetus...I merely kept an open mind that it could be true. If it was written about a pro-life Dr....I am sure your mind would have been just as open.
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