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society. 14th amendment. That was written long before abortion was legal. At that time abortions were few and far between and the government had no part in them. Thus...I believe that it was written believing that all unborn would be born.
i support fetal protection laws because the mother shouldn't be forced to abort against her will. I don't consider it homicide. But it does violate her reproductive rights. Doesn't matter whether you consider it homicide or not...The law does. Thus...You can't kill a fetus...Only a child.
yup... And again, sex isn't against the law and doesn't make anyone guilty. So if no one is guilty...Why does the child get punished.
yes, I do. No one has the right to live off my body. They do if you helped create them.
what are unborn babies? No such thing! Really? How interesting.
i already did. Fetus is a medical term. Baby is an emotional term. I have science to back me up. You have fundie anti choice retoric. Baby is an emotional term? Ummm...I do medical transcription and believe me....Baby is also a medical term, as is infant, teenager, adult. You crack me up with some of the things you come up with and try to present as fact. |
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considering all pregnancies didn't carry to term before abortion was legal, you point is pointless. My bad....I should have said....All heathy pregnancies.
the law only considers it homicide when it isn't a doctor doing it at a woman's request. And they are fetal protection laws. So, no, it doesn't make it a child. Which only shows the inconsistencies of the law. Nothing more..Nothing less.
no child, therefore no punishment. You keep telling yourself that. Lol
no, wrong again. I am not required to give a kidney to a born child against my will. My parents are not obligated to give a lung to me if I need one. Therefore, you are wrong yet again. You are so funny when you are stretching. Most parents would die to save the life of their child. It would not be a question of being required....It would be a question of doing anything to keep their child alive. If you had children...You would know that.
no, baby, infant, toddler, teenager, etc are developmental terms. And if you do medical transcription, you would know a fetus is not a baby what? I thought you said baby was an emotional term? It is developmental...Much like conception, fetus, etc. It is all refering to the same thing....A human being. Well, to the drs. I transcribe for...The term baby is used quite often. |
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so you can guarntee that all healthy pregnancies will result in a live birth? The only thing I can guarantee in this life is taxes and eventual death.
wrong. The law protects women from people that would otherwise force her to abort against her will. Again...The inconsistencies of the law. On one hand it protects the baby from being killed by anyone other than the mother but on the other hand...It supports the mothers right to kill it. Makes a lot of sense.
yeah, the truth sucks, don't it? Truth? Or just your version of it?
i am not required to give a body part to anyone. How is that stretching? Since when does an unborn child require you to give them a body part? That is stretching.
too bad that isn't what you said. Really?
too bad that isn't what you said, huh? Again, prove I don't have children. Proving you have no children is easy. If you had children you would know that it is not about selfishness. You lose the "all about me and my body" attitude and your love for them and their life overwhelms everything else. If you do have children...Then obviously from the way you talk....They take a backseat to your wants and needs....And god forbid they ever need a kidney from you. But I am sure they will understand when you tell them that by law you are not required to give them one and that they have no right to any part of your body...Even if it is for their survival. |
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| if you have ever had a child grown and live inside you..... |
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| then you know just how alive that child is... |
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| but if you support abortion in any case... |
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| you are supporting death for an innocent human being. |
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| you are saying that individual is not worthy of life. |
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| by the logic you just used.....If a woman decided her 5 yr old was too much to handle and wanted to drown him or her.... |
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| the only difference is...It is legal to kill your child through abortion...It isn't legal to drown them. |
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| wrong again....You support a womans right to kill her child. |
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| did the child ask to be conceived? Last I knew that was mommy and daddy's area. Thus the child is innocent....It is mommy and daddy who aren't. |
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| conception is a stage of human life just like newborn, teenager, adult, etc. |
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| any disruption of this from abortion to a gunshot wound is death. Thus you are killing a human being during the earliest stages of life. |
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| if you truly believe an individual woman is worthy of life...Then what if that child is a girl.... |
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| are you saying her life is not worthy? If a woman doesn't want to carry a child....In this day and age....She knows how not to get pregnant. |
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| no twisting....Just fact. |
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| the death of a child is the death of a child whether it be through abortion or drowning...The result is the same. |
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| as I said before....You are the one that is wrong....But tell yourself whatever you have to......To justify the killing of a child. |
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| again.....Wrong. |
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it supports a woman's right to choose... Whether than choice be to continue or end the pregnancy. What about the fathers right to choose life for his child? After all...That child is half his. What about the killers right to choose? What if someone is just so inconvenient to him...He just wants to kill them? Why is that wrong but killing an inconvenient child isn't? What about the unborn childs right to choose? I could be wrong...But I seriously doubt that any child would willingly choose to be sucked out of the womb, or disected in the womb and then just be discarded like trash. Now medical facts are my opinion? Not medical facts...Just your version of them. [quote="trina1"]since when does an unborn child require you to give them a body part? |
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| really? |
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| if you do have children...Then obviously from the way you talk....They take a backseat to your wants and needs....And god forbid they ever need a kidney from you. But I am sure they will understand when you tell them that by law you are not required to give them one and that they have no right to any part of your body. |
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An embryo or fetus is a developmental stage in a human beings life. Whether you call it embryo, fetus, baby, or child....It is all human life.
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| no...But from conception to senior citizen....You are a human being. |
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| no....But if there is guilt...They are the ones that committed the act in which the child was conceived. |
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| so we agree....Both are in stages of human life. Good...Now you are getting it. |
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| a fetus is just a pro-aborts word for a child. |
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| it makes a child sound less human and more like a thing.... |
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| thus trying to ease guilt. |
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| as I figured before you have no idea what it is like to carry a child or you would be far more educated on what goes on during pregnancy and the stages your child goes through before birth. |
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| you would also know that the Dr. Doesn't wave a magic wand and have your child magically come to life when it's head comes out of the birth canal. |
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| me try to emotionally manipulate? That is funny. |
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| what do you think pro-aborts do |
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| when they mislead women saying you aren't aborting a baby....Just a fetus.? |
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| unfortunatley...Many women have found out too late that what they actually did was kill a child and that they were horribly mislead. |
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| oh and there you go with that name calling again. |
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| you know...I don't believe I have called you a name once. I thought word on the street was.... Only us pro-lifers were mean and nasty. |
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| oh...That is right....I keep forgetting that you believe that the Dr. Just magically clunks the baby on its head when coming out of the birth canal....And suddenly it is alive. |
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| abortion is never okay. |
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| if used correctly bc is 99.9 % effective. No one should do anything for me. It's all about the babies. |
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| name calling again..... |
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| of course it is a medical term for a "child" before birth....A stage of human life. But used in the context that pro-aborts use it.... |
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| it takes all the humaness out of the unborn child. |
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In your definition of choice....You support a womans right to kill her child if it is inconveient. You can word it any politically correct way you want to....But it all comes down to the same thing.
Obviously you have never carried one. Gosh...And I guess my doctor was wrong when he told me I had a live little human inside me. I better let him know that his wall full of degrees and licenses don't mean a thing...Cause he doesn't know what he is talking about.Lol
And you have some sort of medical something or other? How scarey.
I have quite good comprehension of logic. I also know when someone has to pull out their dictionary in order to try and cover up a pile of bs. A large vocabulary doesn't make you right...It merely means you can read.Lol
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| who grants this personhood? |
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| and many believe that personhood does not exist until a "person" is aware of itself and its surroundings. |
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| hmmm...So the fetus is alive....It is just not a child. It only becomes a child when it is out of the uterus.... |
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| and yet if you are pregnant and someone shoots you and your baby dies inside you..... |
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| the shooter can be convicted of not a nice act. |
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| in order to be guilty of something....An action must be taken.... |
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| a baby never takes an action....It merely exists. |
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| the female is there when the child is created.... |
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| a willing participant of sex....So "if" there is guilt....She is taking the action....Not the child. |
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| you did go to school...Right? |
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| not if they are live human beings. |
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| the unborn babies.... |
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| that was written long before abortion was legal. At that time abortions were few and far between and the government had no part in them. |
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| thus...I believe that it was written believing that all unborn would be born. |
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| so if no one is guilty...Why does the child get punished. |
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| baby is an emotional term? |
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| ummm...I do medical transcription and believe me....Baby is also a medical term, as is infant, teenager, adult. |
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| wrong again....You support a womans right to kill her child. |
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| did the child ask to be conceived? Last I knew that was mommy and daddy's area. Thus the child is innocent....It is mommy and daddy who aren't. |
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| conception is a stage of human life just like newborn, teenager, adult, etc. |
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| any disruption of this from abortion to a gunshot wound is death. Thus you are killing a human being during the earliest stages of life. |
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| if you truly believe an individual woman is worthy of life...Then what if that child is a girl....[/.Quote]there is no child.
Lol...I haven't laughed this hard in a long time. This is hilarious.
Whoa...You must be running out of arguments because now you are resorting to name calling. You don't trust in your facts well enough to let them stand on their own...So you resort to pettiness. I don't need name calling when I post. First of all it is way beneath me...Second...I am confident in what I say....And I respect the fact that you don't have to agree with me....So there is no need to call you or anyone else names. Oh...And if the woman doesn't want to get pregnant...You and I both know she can take control of her body, before she is carrying another life inside her.
Sad.
If you weren't so amusing...I might have to pity you.
Lol.....I know..I know...It is a falsehood....Because you said so.
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| my "fetus" might be gettinghis nutrients off me (ie: living off me) right now but he's alive. Him moving is not reflexes, it's not like he only moves when I touch him. He hiccups, and has gas, and pees, and everything. |
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| and hopefully decides to get his lil butt out of mommy soon!!! Lol |
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| my "fetus" might be gettinghis nutrients off me (ie: living off me) right now but he's alive. Him moving is not reflexes, it's not like he only moves when I touch him. He hiccups, and has gas, and pees, and everything. |
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