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lil_blaze2004

on June 8th, 2005

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trina1 wrote:

pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

really? Can you prove that? Tell me...When does it become a person? Surely if you say it....You can back it up?!

would the .U.S .Constitution be good enough for you? @@

the constitution tells you when a child becomes a person....Really? Can you point that out to me.

I do know that all human beings do have the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. I don't remember there being a ryder (sp) however saying that this only pertained to those who were convenient.

try reading the 14th amendment.

section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the united states, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the united states and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the united states; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

Http://www.Nps.Gov/malu/documents/amend14. Htm

don't you think at the time this was written that they assumed all would be allowed to be born?

So you are telling me, that hiccuping, kicking, and sucking a thumb while in the uterus does not mean they are alive? Hmmmm...The things you learn. Lol

i;m sure they're gonna point out that it says--born not made. But iguess here it's diff, we don;t have the constitution in canada-lol

trina1

replied on June 8th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

don't you think at the time this was written that they assumed all would be allowed to be born?

no, since abortion has been around as long as women have been getting pregnant. No, since not all zef's will develop to full term even if the woman wants to carry to term. Next.

have you ever been pregnant?

lil_blaze2004

replied on June 8th, 2005

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trina1 wrote:

pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

don't you think at the time this was written that they assumed all would be allowed to be born?

no, since abortion has been around as long as women have been getting pregnant. No, since not all zef's will develop to full term even if the woman wants to carry to term. Next.

have you ever been pregnant?

pc does not like giving out any info about herself, lest we realize she's not human- :)

lil_blaze2004

replied on June 8th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

lil_blaze2004 wrote:

pc does not like giving out any info about herself, lest we realize she's not human- :)

nope, just one too many nutcases here that threaten people with physical harm, so I won't jepeordize my safety.

yes because i'm sure all the nice people here want to spend their hard earned cash tracking your rear end down. Must be nice to think so highly of yourself. You're great!

lil_blaze2004

replied on June 8th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

lil_blaze2004 wrote:

yes because i'm sure all the nice people here want to spend their hard earned cash tracking your rear end down. Must be nice to think so highly of yourself. You're great!

sorry, not chancing it. Because you are not worth my safety.

with your attitude there must be a lot of people who know you personally who want to punch ya in the nose. I wouldn't worry about the net so much.

But I forgot you're just such a wonderfull person that everyone loves you!

mom2ty

replied on June 8th, 2005

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trina1 wrote:

pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

don't you think at the time this was written that they assumed all would be allowed to be born?

no, since abortion has been around as long as women have been getting pregnant. No, since not all zef's will develop to full term even if the woman wants to carry to term. Next.

have you ever been pregnant?

i'm wondering if she might really be a man. Or she doesn't want to tell because she's ashamed of herself, for whatever reason.

lil_blaze2004

replied on June 8th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

lil_blaze2004 wrote:

with your attitude there must be a lot of people who know you personally who want to punch ya in the nose. I wouldn't worry about the net so much.

why does it not surprise me to see that you think threats of violence is ok? I guess you have never seen the "black wall" where abortion providers are targeted on the net.

i wasn't trying to threaten just stating something. A punch in the nose isn';t too bad. Just kidding-sorry if you took it as a threat. Just u have an awfull atttude. I hope you are not like that in person.

And what, are you an abortion provider? I thought you were just a rude pc-er. I might be more a lil more pc than pl but will never stoop low like some of you do with the horrible name calling and stuff. And there are still certain things that pc-ers believe that I don;t completely agree with.

lil_blaze2004

replied on June 8th, 2005

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Yes, there are things on a personal level I don;t agree with and there are things on a scientific level I don;t totally agree with. Sorry but to me, my son is in my tummy. Not some fetus. I call him by name and so does everyone around me.

I think women should have the right to do what they want without the gov't stepping in and telling them what to do, especially the men inthe gov't. We don;t really have that prob up here.

But then again I also don;t think there is anything wrong with people smoking pot. I smoked pot up untill the day I found out I was pregnant. To me it's not a huge deal. But it's against the law. Anyway that's besides the point.

steen

replied on June 8th, 2005

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lil_blaze2004 wrote:

pcforme wrote:

lil_blaze2004 wrote:

pc does not like giving out any info about herself, lest we realize she's not human- :)

nope, just one too many nutcases here that threaten people with physical harm, so I won't jepeordize my safety.

yes because i'm sure all the nice people here want to spend their hard earned cash tracking your rear end down. Must be nice to think so highly of yourself. You're great!

some pl do have such a track record. Not many, but they do exist. Imagine my parents' surprise when somebody called them up and yelled at them that their son was a baby killer (yes, that was one of the nuts from delphi forums, not from here. But still, when you are prochoice, it does pay to be careful).

steen

replied on June 8th, 2005

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lil_blaze2004 wrote:

and what, are you an abortion provider?

actually, frogplague (robert ferguson, read about him on the army-of-god site) did threaten to put me on the nuremberg site.

mom2trevor

replied on June 8th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

have you ever been pregnant?

what does that have to do with this debate? Quite frankly, it is none of your business.

how would someone track you down... Knowing that on a message board your name is pc and you have/not have been pregnant? Your isp would be an easier tracking device then simply stating that you have/not been pregnant.

Also...Trina was probably asking because one can claim pro-life/pro-choice up until the day that they find out that they are pregnant and then their views can change drastically. I didn't really care about abortion either way until I got pregnant and someone actually brought it up....I am now pro-life because I realize that life is worth protecting not matter how small or underdevolped.

trina1

replied on June 9th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

have you ever been pregnant?

what does that have to do with this debate? Quite frankly, it is none of your business.

lol...I'll take that as a no. Most women who have children have no problem talking about the pregnancy and children. It has a great deal to do with the debate. If you have ever had a child grown and live inside you.....Then you know just how alive that child is...From the moment you hear it's heart beat, and all the while it kicks, and hiccups, and moves. There is no question in your mind that it is human life. If you have never experienced this, ...Then you are condoning something (abortion) that you don't have all the information on. How can you make an educated choice...If you don't have all the info?

trina1

replied on June 9th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

mom2trevor wrote:

i am now pro-life because I realize that life is worth protecting not matter how small or underdevolped.

i am pro choice because I understand that regardless of what I want for myself, I can't force another woman to do the same. Again, there are situations I don't believe I could support abortion. But not being in her shoes means I can't tell her how I would do things and then try to force her to do it.

but if you support abortion in any case...You are supporting death for an innocent human being. You are saying that individual is not worthy of life. By the logic you just used.....If a woman decided her 5 yr old was too much to handle and wanted to drown him or her....Then I guess you would support that too. I mean you aren't in her shoes...So you really would have no right to turn her in or force her not to do it. The results would be the same in both cases...A child would die...The only difference is...It is legal to kill your child through abortion...It isn't legal to drown them.

trina1

replied on June 9th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

but if you support abortion in any case.

no, I support a woman's choice to abort in any case.

Wrong again....You support a womans right to kill her child.

trina1 wrote:

you are supporting death for an innocent human being.

prove a fetus is "innocent". Without the jesus bs of course.

Did the child ask to be conceived? Last I knew that was mommy and daddy's area. Thus the child is innocent....It is mommy and daddy who aren't.

trina1 wrote:

you are saying that individual is not worthy of life.

no, quite the opposite. An individual woman is worthy of life. A physically dependant entity that requires another host to live does not superceed that woman's right to her body.

Conception is a stage of human life just like newborn, teenager, adult, etc.
Any disruption of this from abortion to a gunshot wound is death. Thus you are killing a human being during the earliest stages of life. If you truly believe an individual woman is worthy of life...Then what if that child is a girl....Are you saying her life is not worthy? If a woman doesn't want to carry a child....In this day and age....She knows how not to get pregnant.

trina1 wrote:

by the logic you just used.....If a woman decided her 5 yr old was too much to handle and wanted to drown him or her....Then I guess you would support that too.

no, but fundies love to try to twist the physical vs social dependence thing around... How long before you do it?

No twisting....Just fact. The death of a child is the death of a child whether it be through abortion or drowning...The result is the same.

trina1 wrote:

i mean you aren't in her shoes...So you really would have no right to turn her in or force her not to do it. The results would be the same in both cases...A child would die.

no, a fetus isn't a child. Wrong again.

As I said before....You are the one that is wrong....But tell yourself whatever you have to......To justify the killing of a child.

trina1 wrote:

the only difference is...It is legal to kill your child through abortion...It isn't legal to drown them.

no child is killed in abortion. Wrong yet again.

again.....Wrong.

lil_blaze2004

replied on June 9th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

really? Women can control sperm in this day and age?

ok that was just a stupid thing to say.

trina1

replied on June 9th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

wrong again....You support a womans right to kill her child.

wrong still. A fetus isn't a child. You are not a senior citizen just because one day you may become one.

No...But from conception to senior citizen....You are a human being.

trina1 wrote:

did the child ask to be conceived? Last I knew that was mommy and daddy's area. Thus the child is innocent....It is mommy and daddy who aren't.

what are they "mommy and daddy" guilt of? Sex isn't illegal.

No....But if there is guilt...They are the ones that committed the act in which the child was conceived.

trina1 wrote:

conception is a stage of human life just like newborn, teenager, adult, etc.

correct. And child is a stage of development too.

So we agree....Both are in stages of human life. Good...Now you are getting it. Lol

trina1 wrote:

if a woman doesn't want to carry a child....In this day and age....She knows how not to get pregnant.

really? Women can control sperm in this day and age?

Why yes I believe they can? Come out from under that rock you have obviously been living under and go to the pharmacy. They sell these cool things called condoms, spermacide, oh and these new fangled birth control things called....The pill. And those are just to name a few. Then there is always that little word...."no!" but of course that went out in the 80's.

trina1 wrote:

no twisting....Just fact. The death of a child is the death of a child whether it be through abortion or drowning...The result is the same.

no, because a child is born. A fetus is not.

A fetus is just a pro-aborts word for a child. It makes a child sound less human and more like a thing....Thus trying to ease guilt. As I figured before you have no idea what it is like to carry a child or you would be far more educated on what goes on during pregnancy and the stages your child goes through before birth. You would also know that the Dr. Doesn't wave a magic wand and have your child magically come to life when it's head comes out of the birth canal.

trina1 wrote:

as I said before....You are the one that is wrong....But tell yourself whatever you have to......To justify the killing of a child.

whatever fundie. Again, a child is born. A fetus isn't. You can continue to try to emotionally manipulate people.

Me try to emotionally manipulate? That is funny. What do you think pro-aborts do when they mislead women saying you aren't aborting a baby....Just a fetus.? Unfortunatley...Many women have found out too late that what they actually did was kill a child and that they were horribly mislead.
Oh and there you go with that name calling again. You know...I don't believe I have called you a name once. I thought word on the street was.... Only us pro-lifers were mean and nasty. Thank you for once again dispelling a myth created by pro-aborts. Heck you are batting 1000 today. Lol

trina1

replied on June 9th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

no...But from conception to senior citizen....You are a human being.

yes, that right has given at birth.

Oh...That is right....I keep forgetting that you believe that the Dr. Just magically clunks the baby on its head when coming out of the birth canal....And suddenly it is alive. You should write childrens fairy tale books. Lol

trina1 wrote:

no....But if there is guilt...They are the ones that committed the act in which the child was conceived.

so abortion with no guilt is ok?

Abortion is never okay. Did you miss that memo?

trina1 wrote:

so we agree....Both are in stages of human life.

never said otherwise. Still doesn't give one entity the right to control another entities body against their will.

Nor does it give one entity the right to choice above the other entities right to live.

trina1 wrote:

why yes I believe they can? Come out from under that rock you have obviously been living under and go to the pharmacy. They sell these cool things called condoms, spermacide, oh and these new fangled birth control things called....The pill. And those are just to name a few. Then there is always that little word...."no!" but of course that went out in the 80's.

birth control is not 100% effective. And should married couples be expect to abstain from relations for you?

If used correctly bc is 99.9 % effective. No one should do anything for me. It's all about the babies.

trina1 wrote:

a fetus is just a pro-aborts word for a child.

o.M.G. You are an fool. Fetus is a medical/biological term.

Name calling again.....You are a hoot. Of course it is a medical term for a "child" before birth....A stage of human life. But used in the context that pro-aborts use it....It takes all the humaness out of the unborn child.

trina1 wrote:

as I figured before you have no idea what it is like to carry a child or you would be far more educated on what goes on during pregnancy and the stages your child goes through before birth.

of course you have proof that I have no children?

Your words give you away......And if you do have children and have experienced a "life" growing inside you and are still a pro-abort....Then you are just plain cold hearted.

trina1 wrote:

me try to emotionally manipulate?

yes, you fundie.

Lol...There you go again.

trina1

replied on June 9th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

oh...That is right....I keep forgetting that you believe that the Dr. Just magically clunks the baby on its head when coming out of the birth canal....And suddenly it is alive.

please tell me where I have stated a fetus isn't alive. Personhood is granted at birth. That is when it becomes a seperate entity. Did you miss your basic biology class?

Who grants this personhood? And many believe that personhood does not exist until a "person" is aware of itself and its surroundings. So that would knock out all children up to about 3-4 months old, all alzeheimers victims in late stages of the disease, and all coma patients. So I guess they are not human beings?! Hmmm...So the fetus is alive....It is just not a child. It only becomes a child when it is out of the uterus....And yet if you are pregnant and someone shoots you and your baby dies inside you.....The shooter can be convicted of homicide. Hmmmm...And yet....You can't homicide a fetus. Hmmmm....Makes perfect sense. Not!

trina1 wrote:

abortion is never okay. Did you miss that memo?

yup. And it doesn't seen you can prove a fetus is innocent or that a female is guilty.

In order to be guilty of something....An action must be taken....A baby never takes an action....It merely exists. The female is there when the child is created....A willing participant of sex....So "if" there is guilt....She is taking the action....Not the child. You did go to school...Right?

trina1 wrote:

nor does it give one entity the right to choice above the other entities right to live.

yes, actually I do have the right to remove things that feed off my body to live.

Not if they are live human beings.

trina1 wrote:

if used correctly bc is 99.9 % effective. No one should do anything for me. It's all about the babies.

what babies?

The unborn babies....Were you napping while posting again?

trina1 wrote:

of course it is a medical term for a "child" before birth....A stage of human life. But used in the context that pro-aborts use it....It takes all the humaness out of the unborn child.

because it isn't a child. Stupid.

Prove it. Uh oh....Your frustration is showing....The names are just oozing out your pours. I could watch you melt down all day. Someone who knows they are right....Never sweats the cause, and never resorts to name calling, bashing, or bullying....All they have to do is stick to the facts. You pc...Are sweating. Lol

trina1 wrote:

your words give you away......And if you do have children and have experienced a "life" growing inside you and are still a pro-abort....Then you are just plain cold hearted.

of course I must be. If I have children, I am the only mother on the face of the planet that is pro life.

Your pro-life....Well cool....Then what are you arguing about?

lil_blaze2004

replied on June 9th, 2005

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Trina-i pm'd you. Did u get it?

trina1

replied on June 9th, 2005

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lil_blaze2004 wrote:

trina-i pm'd you. Did u get it?

just got it and answered. :)

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