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Q: What Is the Difference Between This Boy And a Abortionist?

asked by: FISHX on June 7th, 2005

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Http://www.Foxnews.Com/story/0,2933,158783 ,00.Html.

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man gets life for causing miscarriage
tuesday, june 07, 2005

lufkin, texas — a 19-year-old accused of causing his teenage girlfriend to miscarry two fetuses by stepping on her stomach was convicted monday of two counts of homicide.

Gerardo flores (search) received an automatic life sentence because prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, which was available under the state's 2003 fetus protection law (search).

Erica basoria, 17, acknowledged asking flores to help end her pregnancy; she could not be prosecuted because of her legal right to abortion.

The defense contended that basoria punched herself while flores was stepping on her, making it impossible to tell who caused the miscarriage.

Basoria told authorities that, after about four months of pregnancy, she regretted not getting an abortion and started jogging and hitting herself to induce a miscarriage. When her efforts failed, she said she asked her boyfriend to help.

Flores did not testify, but earlier told police that he stepped on basoria's stomach several times during the week before she miscarried.

Prosecutor art bauereiss said most of basoria's family was pleased with the jury's decision. But basoria, who sobbed as she left the angelina county courthouse, had stood by flores.

"it's just tragedy all around," said flores' attorney, ryan deaton.

Texas law defines an embryo or fetus as an "individual" and allows criminal prosecution or civil action for a preventable injury or death of a fetus. The law exempts health care providers who perform a legal medical procedure, such as an abortion.

Used with the kind permission of the original author of the post "cone"

Last edited by FISHX on June 7th, 2005 03:03 PM; edited 1 time in total

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mom2trevor

replied on June 7th, 2005

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Hey fish. I read this elsewhere..I couldn't get the link to work.

Anyway...The only difference between him and an abortionist is that he isn't liscenced to perform abortions.

They let her get away with it though because she had the *right to obtain an abortion* but then they stick him in jail for life? Doesn't sound fair does it? This is pretty much the same as the 17 year old who beat his girlfriend with a baseball bat. It's a terrible tradgedy :(

sad story.

foreverblue

replied on June 7th, 2005

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mom2trevor wrote:

hey fish. I read this elsewhere..I couldn't get the link to work.

Anyway...The only difference between him and an abortionist is that he isn't liscenced to perform abortions.

They let her get away with it though because she had the *right to obtain an abortion* but then they stick him in jail for life? Doesn't sound fair does it? This is pretty much the same as the 17 year old who beat his girlfriend with a baseball bat. It's a terrible tradgedy :(

sad story.

and this while abortion is legal.

FISHX

replied on June 7th, 2005

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Sorry don't know why the ink didn't work but have gained permision to copy the original post so I edited it

lil_blaze2004

replied on June 7th, 2005

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I thinkit's odd that they would charge him and not her. It's not fair.

steen

replied on June 7th, 2005

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But then, such laws, claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a fetus, they will fail when this one reaches the appeals process anyway.

mom2trevor

replied on June 7th, 2005

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It says that at 4 months she regretted *not* getting an abortion...So apparently she had the option before and chose not to use it..Therefore parental consent laws cannot be blamed for this.

foreverblue

replied on June 8th, 2005

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steen wrote:

but then, such laws, claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a fetus, they will fail when this one reaches the appeals process anyway.

steen calm down now you are starting to ramble,if a fetus is not a fetus what is it steen?

mom2trevor

replied on June 8th, 2005

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foreverblue wrote:

steen wrote:

but then, such laws, claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a fetus, they will fail when this one reaches the appeals process anyway.

steen calm down now you are starting to ramble,if a fetus is not a fetus what is it steen?

a lab rat maybe? Or a glowing ball of gas? Hmm...I'm stumped if a fetus isn't a fetus...Then I really need to have a talk with my ob/gyn and find out what I was growing in my uterus.

steen

replied on June 8th, 2005

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foreverblue wrote:

steen wrote:

but then, such laws, claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a fetus, they will fail when this one reaches the appeals process anyway.

steen calm down now you are starting to ramble,if a fetus is not a fetus what is it steen?

oops, I of course meant that the fetus is not a person. Sorry about that.

foreverblue

replied on June 8th, 2005

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steen wrote:

foreverblue wrote:

steen wrote:

but then, such laws, claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a fetus, they will fail when this one reaches the appeals process anyway.

steen calm down now you are starting to ramble,if a fetus is not a fetus what is it steen?

oops, I of course meant that the fetus is not a person. Sorry about that.

i did guess that steen but you really do need to calm down.

trina1

replied on June 8th, 2005

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steen wrote:

foreverblue wrote:

steen wrote:

but then, such laws, claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a fetus, they will fail when this one reaches the appeals process anyway.

steen calm down now you are starting to ramble,if a fetus is not a fetus what is it steen?

oops, I of course meant that the fetus is not a person. Sorry about that.

really? Can you prove that? Tell me...When does it become a person? Surely if you say it....You can back it up?!

steen

replied on June 8th, 2005

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foreverblue wrote:

i did guess that steen but you really do need to calm down.

ah, you mean when lying pl attack me, I should just let them. That''s the kind of "calm down" you are talking about, right?

steen

replied on June 8th, 2005

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trina1 wrote:

steen wrote:

foreverblue wrote:

steen wrote:

but then, such laws, claiming the fetus to be equivalent to a fetus, they will fail when this one reaches the appeals process anyway.

steen calm down now you are starting to ramble,if a fetus is not a fetus what is it steen?

oops, I of course meant that the fetus is not a person. Sorry about that.

really? Can you prove that? Tell me...When does it become a person? Surely if you say it....You can back it up?!

yes, it is in roe vs wade. You *have * read that, haven't you?

foreverblue

replied on June 8th, 2005

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steen wrote:

foreverblue wrote:

i did guess that steen but you really do need to calm down.

ah, you mean when lying pl attack me, I should just let them. That''s the kind of "calm down" you are talking about, right?

.

Hey if I attack you then I am not going to expect you to take it,but you have made three mistakes in 24 hours,not like you steen,that is what I mean steen,it is the internet steen not worth having a coronry over is it?

FISHX

replied on June 8th, 2005

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Trina you need to decapitaise the link before it will work.

trina1

replied on June 8th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

really? Can you prove that? Tell me...When does it become a person? Surely if you say it....You can back it up?!

would the .U.S .Constitution be good enough for you?

the constitution tells you when a child becomes a person....Really? Can you point that out to me.

I do know that all human beings do have the right to life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. I don't remember there being a ryder (sp) however saying that this only pertained to those who were convenient.

trina1

replied on June 8th, 2005

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fishx wrote:

trina you need to decapitaise the link before it will work.

lol...Ooops...Sorry.

lil_blaze2004

replied on June 8th, 2005

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So what about in canada? When does it become a person? We don;t have the constitution here! :wink:

trina1

replied on June 8th, 2005

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pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

pcforme wrote:

trina1 wrote:

really? Can you prove that? Tell me...When does it become a person? Surely if you say it....You can back it up?!

would the .U.S .Constitution be good enough for you? @@

try reading the 14th amendment.

section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the united states, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the united states and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the united states; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Http://www.Nps.Gov/malu/documents/amend14. Htm

don't you think at the time this was written that they assumed all would be allowed to be born?

So you are telling me, that hiccuping, kicking, and sucking a thumb while in the uterus does not mean they are alive? Hmmmm...The things you learn. Lol

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