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Hopeful

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narrowing of disc space between l4 & l5
Posted: 04-30-05 07:51am

Hello,

i posted a long version of my problem early this morning but for some reason it didnt post to the forum, maybe it was something I didnt do.


Here is my short version I hope someone can help.


I have suffered with back pain all my life, im 54 now and retired from hairdressing about 12 years ago.

The salon that I worked in closed down and I claimed unemployment and used up all my prsi insurance stamps, I was stupid because I should have claimed disability or invalidity. The reason I did not claim was because years back I came out of work sick with my back and was claiming disability but was called before social security dr and found fit for work, that was my first and last claim and I got only 6 weeks on disability. I didnt appeal it as I had to go back to work because my son was in college and I needed the money as my husband was on incapacity benefit because of cancer.


My dr is female, she came to the practice 5 years ago and I was handed over to her as her patient, she has never examined my back and really dont know what I go through, she just tells me to loose weight and yoga might help!!!!!! I collect my monthly prescription for arthrotec thats all she knows. I had to tell her my history and that years ago I started off on difene, then volterol and other meds. I had to ask her to send me for an xray a few weeks ago, I had to phone her about the results, she then asked me to call over so that she could explain the results.


Here are my results,

there is marked narrowing of disc space between l4 & l5, consistant with degenerative change at this level. The lumbar spine appears otherwise satisfactory. There is a mild scoliosis of the mid lumbar spine. Alignment of lumbar spine is otherwise normal. The sacro illiac joints are normal. No bony pathology identified.


My dr's opinion, thats not too bad at all, I thought if that is not too bad why do I have to lie flat for days when the inflamation is bad and my back is burning with pain, I cant sit nor stand etc etc.


At the moment I sign for credits, no payement, it keeps me in benefit but I have to be looking for work and elegable to work, I was told last year that I should claim invalidity because some months I have missed signing due to my back, I have explained this to the employment exchange, they told me that if I miss signing I will loose my claim to sign for credits.


Im trying to keep this short as possible, I made a decision to claim invalidity and brought the forms over to my dr to fill in, she ticked off moderate to every question, she didnt listen to me.

I explained to her that im not claiming to gain money as my husband will be cut for claimingt for me but it is the principal, she still did her own thing.


Obviously I will not get invalidity while she has ticked moderate to everything I will be sent before social security dr and how can I prove to him how bad my back problem is, I know now it is time to change Dr.


I have tried to improve my life, i've done 3 computer courses and could not finish them due to sitting too long.


Can anyone of you identify with me and also what is your opinion on my back xray, dr thinks its not bad!!


Thank you,

hopeful.
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NeuromuscularTherapist

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Posted: 05-03-05 20:24pm

Hopeful,

the fact is that x-rays don't show squat. The only thing they are useful for is detecting bone spurs, disc height loss, etc. The other test, mri carries with it some interesting statistics that they don't tell you. The fact is that over 95% of all mri's will show some sort of abnormality, even if the patient has no symptoms!! This is important because it shows that just because the mri shows that their is dysfunction, does not mean that it is a problem. Discs will bulge and re-absorb probably many times throughout your lifetime. The same thing the other way around. Just because it "doesn't appear bad" doesn't mean squat. Doctors aren't taught to treat back pain. In fact they only spend about 2-3 weeks in medical school in orthopedics. They are not movement therapists, thus never having to actually rehabilitate a disc pain patient. You simply can't when you spend 15 minutes with them. You definately sound like you have a mechanical dysfunction, although that advice won't take you far. You need to find a professional that knows what the heck they are doing. Disc bulges and spinal dysfunctions are not caused by a lack of chiropractic adjustments, surgery, or medication deficiency. They are caused by imbalances within the muscular system that pull the structures out of alignment. This can also be caused by poor nutrition and gut disorders that will reflexivy shut of the abdominal muscles, which are key stabilizers of the lumbar spine. Proper posture, work ergonomics, nutrition, in addition to manual therapy procedures are the only way to completely recover from these types of issues. I recommend that you visit my website for some more information and find a type of therapist called a chek practitioner when you can afford one. You are simply not going to find the kind of help you need by working with practitioners that accept insurance. They simply don't have the time to spend with you. Insurance companies are already ripping them off. That is why they don't have the ability to keep doing continuing education and learn how to treat patients better. They are wrapped up in trying to earn a decent living by seeing 100 people per day. I know because I have worked in a pt clinic.

Sam visnic nmt
back pain exercise expert
www.Endmybackpain.Com
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Hopeful

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Posted: 05-04-05 14:43pm

Thank you sam for your reply, I found it very interesting reading, will have a look at your site.

Hopeful.
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