Nutrition Forum - Please Help..a Topic About Meat..

nutrigirl2775

replied on April 29th, 2005

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Meat

Ok first of all, where did you get your facts on meat? Meat does not cause homosexuality in men nor does it make women more masculine. I have been eating meat for a long time and I still look like a woman. No extra hair on my body and I haven't grown a penis yet!!!!!
I have to say that this is the funniest thing I have read in a long time!
Second, meat protions should be limited to a serving size of about 3-4 ounces..............About the size of a deck of cards, and only about 2-3 servings a day (that is if he is a big guy).

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Jamiebelly

replied on April 30th, 2005

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Re: Meat

nutrigirl2775 wrote:

ok first of all, where did you get your facts on meat? Meat does not cause homosexuality in men nor does it make women more masculine. I have been eating meat for a long time and I still look like a woman. No extra hair on my body and I haven't grown a penis yet!!!!!

I have to say that this is the funniest thing I have read in a long time!

Second, meat protions should be limited to a serving size of about 3-4 ounces..............About the size of a deck of cards, and only about 2-3 servings a day (that is if he is a big guy).

i don't know if meat would alter the hormones found in men, but I do know for a fact that it would cause women to become more masculine. No you wouldn't grow extra hair, but you may have more hair,such as on your arms and legs compared to others if an excessive amount of meat is consumed. A penis?..Uh I doubt eating too much meat will lead to a sex change. Please don't exaggerate, this is serious.

I don't really remember, but I think I obtained the information on a site linked to a harvard website. I don't know if it is legitimate or not, but i'm certain that meat can lead to a variety of cancers and diseases.

Thank you for your reply.

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nutrigirl2775

replied on April 30th, 2005

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I'm not questioning the cancer part of your post. But I am challenging the making women more masculine part. I'm not really sure where the information came from, but I can assure you that there are a lot of non-masculine meat eating women in this world.

It really doesn't make any sense.
I'm not questioning you but I am questioning your source. There is a lot of false information on the www. We need to be careful what we believe.

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Jamiebelly

replied on April 30th, 2005

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nutrigirl2775 wrote:

i'm not questioning the cancer part of your post. But I am challenging the making women more masculine part. I'm not really sure where the information came from, but I can assure you that there are a lot of non-masculine meat eating women in this world.

It really doesn't make any sense.
I'm not questioning you but I am questioning your source. There is a lot of false information on the www. We need to be careful what we believe.

i've read somewhere that meat increases your testosterone level. I still believe there's some truth that women can inhabit masculine features from excessive meat intake. Now obviously this isn't true for all women, since everyone's body works differently.

What is there to be careful of? I just posted the information just like anyone could of read it on that website. If you or anyone else believes it to be false, so be it. It's not like i'm posing some kind of threat. I posted it just so people could be aware. If it doesn't make sense to you, just ignore that part of the post.

:)

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2ferano

replied on May 6th, 2005

Extremely eHealthy

That is so untrue. According to the pyramid a person should consume 2-3 servings of meat (or 2-4 not sure which one, but it is one of the two) and each serving should be the size of your palm.
If meat causes all of the above things you mentioned then it would be recommended that no one eat any meat at all.
Homosexuality in males, that is the craziest thing I have ever heard. Masculinity in females? Whatever. I don't know where you go that "information" but I wouldn't go there ever again.
Your father is overeating period. No one should ever sit down and eat two platefulls of anything. His fat around the midsection is putting him at risk of all kinds of health problems. I wouldn't worry so much about the meat, but would start worrying about the excess weight and the eating too much food in general.

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Jamiebelly

replied on May 6th, 2005

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hotasfrick wrote:

that is so untrue. According to the pyramid a person should consume 2-3 servings of meat (or 2-4 not sure which one, but it is one of the two) and each serving should be the size of your palm.

If meat causes all of the above things you mentioned then it would be recommended that no one eat any meat at all.

Homosexuality in males, that is the craziest thing I have ever heard. Masculinity in females? Whatever. I don't know where you go that "information" but I wouldn't go there ever again.
Your father is overeating period. No one should ever sit down and eat two platefulls of anything. His fat around the midsection is putting him at risk of all kinds of health problems. I wouldn't worry so much about the meat, but would start worrying about the excess weight and the eating too much food in general.

"no one eat any meat at all"? What are you talking about? The information is just for those who consistently consume too much, not for those in general. It is known that the food you eat can alter your hormores, so how are you so sure that this information is false? Just because it may sound over the top doesn't mean you can just jump to conclusions w/o any professional knowledge. I've consulted with a doctor and he said that too much meat can indeed lead to increased hair growth, and deeper voices in women because meat can increase your testosterone level.

Again,

"if you or anyone else believes it to be false, so be it. It's not like i'm posing some kind of threat. I posted it just so people could be aware. If it doesn't make sense to you, just ignore that part of the post."

thank you for your reply.

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2ferano

replied on May 11th, 2005

Extremely eHealthy

Read your first post before you start trying to insult me.
It says, "meat causes...." and then you list all of that nonsense. It does not say, "eating too much meat causes...."
so, if you don't mind, please pay attention before telling us we are wrong.
Thanks for you reply.

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Jamiebelly

replied on May 12th, 2005

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hotasfrick wrote:

read your first post before you start trying to insult me.
It says, "meat causes...." and then you list all of that nonsense. It does not say, "eating too much meat causes...."
so, if you don't mind, please pay attention before telling us we are wrong.

Thanks for you reply.

when did I start trying to insult you? Quote me.

Why are you're getting so concerned? It's not like i'm posing a threat to society by telling them to be aware of the amount of meat they eat.

Again I repeat, the information was obtained from a professional website, what knowledge do you have to falsify it? If you're going to be so immature by picking out little nitbits from the sentences in order to prove yourself right and argue about something you can't even back up, then I suggest we should just end this conversation.

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2ferano

replied on May 12th, 2005

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I'm being immature? Why is that exactly? Because I simply stated that you didn't say those things were caused by eating too much meat, but simply by eating meat? Why are you getting so defensive? You need to calm down there buddy. Trust me, no one is "concerned" about your post but you.

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Jamiebelly

replied on May 14th, 2005

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hotasfrick wrote:

i'm being immature? Why is that exactly? Because I simply stated that you didn't say those things were caused by eating too much meat, but simply by eating meat? Why are you getting so defensive? You need to calm down there buddy. Trust me, no one is "concerned" about your post but you.

obviously i'm concerned, i'm concerned about my dad's health, that's what prompted me to create this thread in the first place.

Now tell me, did you actually think by reading that statement that just by eating meat you'll immediately inherit all those symtoms? This thread is about my dad consuming too much meat. Did you not have the slightest idea that the information might of had a connection with the main topic? You couldn't even understand something so simplistic without having me state it perfectly clear for you? What am i, talking to a 3 year old here? You're the one that needs to calm down and stop complicating something so simple.

Just tell yourself, I refuse to believe in that load of cr*p and move on.

:)

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2ferano

replied on May 15th, 2005

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Why don't you just stop being insulting and realize that you posted it incorrectly in the first place?
And you know darn well that when I said no one is concerned but you, I wasn't referring to your dad's health. Come on now.

You said, that consuming meat causes, blah blah. You did not say that consuming too much meat causes, blah blah. Just accept that for goodness sakes. Should I have just known what you meant? I'm not psychic now. And if you would read even just some of the posts by people on here you would know that you cannot assume anything. You have to go with what was actually stated. So sorry for not just knowing what you meant.

Don't you realize that by calling me immature and asking if you are dealing with a 3 year old and drudging up this nonsense over and over you are making yourself look like the childish one?
If you are concerned about your dad's health then talk to him about it. But, the bottom line is it is his life and his body and if he wants to eat lots of meat that is his god-given right.

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Tamadrummer

replied on May 15th, 2005

Active User, very eHealthy

Re: Please Help..a Topic About Meat..

jamiebelly wrote:

how much meat should a person consume on an average day?..What are some side effects if an excessive amount is taken?..

My dad is a big man, I mean he doesn't weigh too much weight wise..But he has a noticebly big stomach..The thing is he loves to eat. I mean you won't see him filling up on junk food..But his meals are huge, especially for supper..The thing that bothers me the most is his excessive meat intake..Like when we're having steak, he would have his on one of the large plates..And the rest of his meal (vegetable,potatoes..Etc) on another..I'm afraid this will eventually lead to problems with his health..I've tried convincing him but he only gets angry, scaring him by listing diseases..Nothing works..What should I do?..

Here are some facts for some of you meat-lovers out there:

meat causes - rheumatism, arthritis and gout (uric acid buildup)
meat causes - cancer - (liver & kidney breakdown from too much protein)
meat causes - homosexuality in males. (excessive testosterone over several generations)
(meat causes masculine homosexual)
meat causes - masculinity in women - hair on their arms and legs, deeper voice.

Destroys their true feminists and makes them bossy and stubborn. Many women from the back look like boys.
Meat causes - high blood pressure breaks down the blood vessel's.

Meat causes - heart problems
meat causes colitis - meat contains ……. Factitive bacteria
meat causes excessive uric acid which leads to arthritis, kidney stones gallstones.

Meat causes headaches & far-sightedness, meat together with excess sugar and too much close work cause nearsightedness.

where in the world did you get this malarke? I don't believe that you have even one actual fact within your diagnosis of disease from meat consumption. Next to soy protien, meat is the only way that you can get all of the amino acids necessary for muscle growth and healing. Meat provides an excellent source of iron and in specfic pork provides a fantastic supply of multiple b vitamins, not all of the b's but thiamin and folate are provided by pork. If your father is eating an entire plate full of meat, he is putting himself at risk for heart problems due to the amount of ldl cholesteral contained in many red meats.

Hotasfrick and nutrigirl2775 have done a fantastic job of debunking your post but I do feel it needs just a few more facts to make it look even worse!

Without the use of meat as a source of protein, you would need to make sure to have a diet rich with soy-based products and increase your daily intake of vegetables and nuts/legumes to more than 2x's the daily recommended amount because of the lack of pure proteins and also the vitamins and minerals provided by eating senseable portions of meat.

Senseable = 3 to 5 ounces of meat 2 to 3 times a day.
Meat = beef, pork, chicken, and fish.

Fish is really great because of the omega 3 fatty acids.....(also not tied to homosexuality)

im sorry but I cannot even go on in this thread because I don't know if you will ever understand what is being told to you. That is truly the most amazing of all nutrition posts I have ever seen. :shock:

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Jamiebelly

replied on May 16th, 2005

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Re: Please Help..a Topic About Meat..

tamadrummer wrote:

jamiebelly wrote:

how much meat should a person consume on an average day?..What are some side effects if an excessive amount is taken?..

My dad is a big man, I mean he doesn't weigh too much weight wise..But he has a noticebly big stomach..The thing is he loves to eat. I mean you won't see him filling up on junk food..But his meals are huge, especially for supper..The thing that bothers me the most is his excessive meat intake..Like when we're having steak, he would have his on one of the large plates..And the rest of his meal (vegetable,potatoes..Etc) on another..I'm afraid this will eventually lead to problems with his health..I've tried convincing him but he only gets angry, scaring him by listing diseases..Nothing works..What should I do?..

Here are some facts for some of you meat-lovers out there:

meat causes - rheumatism, arthritis and gout (uric acid buildup)
meat causes - cancer - (liver & kidney breakdown from too much protein)
meat causes - homosexuality in males. (excessive testosterone over several generations)
(meat causes masculine homosexual)
meat causes - masculinity in women - hair on their arms and legs, deeper voice.

Destroys their true feminists and makes them bossy and stubborn. Many women from the back look like boys.
Meat causes - high blood pressure breaks down the blood vessel's.

Meat causes - heart problems
meat causes colitis - meat contains ……. Factitive bacteria
meat causes excessive uric acid which leads to arthritis, kidney stones gallstones.

Meat causes headaches & far-sightedness, meat together with excess sugar and too much close work cause nearsightedness.

where in the world did you get this malarke? I don't believe that you have even one actual fact within your diagnosis of disease from meat consumption. Next to soy protien, meat is the only way that you can get all of the amino acids necessary for muscle growth and healing. Meat provides an excellent source of iron and in specfic pork provides a fantastic supply of multiple b vitamins, not all of the b's but thiamin and folate are provided by pork. If your father is eating an entire plate full of meat, he is putting himself at risk for heart problems due to the amount of ldl cholesteral contained in many red meats.

Hotasfrick and nutrigirl2775 have done a fantastic job of debunking your post but I do feel it needs just a few more facts to make it look even worse!

Without the use of meat as a source of protein, you would need to make sure to have a diet rich with soy-based products and increase your daily intake of vegetables and nuts/legumes to more than 2x's the daily recommended amount because of the lack of pure proteins and also the vitamins and minerals provided by eating senseable portions of meat.

Senseable = 3 to 5 ounces of meat 2 to 3 times a day.
Meat = beef, pork, chicken, and fish.

Fish is really great because of the omega 3 fatty acids.....(also not tied to homosexuality)

im sorry but I cannot even go on in this thread because I don't know if you will ever understand what is being told to you. That is truly the most amazing of all nutrition posts I have ever seen. :shock:

the information may only be true for those who consume too much consistantly. Why are you writing an essay on the positive components of meat? No kidding meat is rich in protein and minerals, no kidding meat provides an excellent source of nutrition for the body!! No on is saying anything about completely eliminating meat consumption. Get in through your head!

Please provide any link to professional knowledge if you would like to falsify the posted information. If not, don't just assume it may be false just because it sounds far-fetched.

Thank you for your reply.

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Tamadrummer

replied on May 16th, 2005

Active User, very eHealthy

I don't think I can find any links tying meat to homosexuality/masculinty since it is not in any way tied to any research that any compotent research company/facility would embark in.

As a college student, I just completed nutrition 220 at the university of phoenix and so it is easy for me to provide more then adequate information with regard to the nutritional value in meat consumption.

However, finding anything to substantiate your ties of meat to sexuality would be totaly impossible. You are right when you say that eating certian meats can but are not guarenteed to increase the risk of heart disease and other forms of cancer.

On the other hand, it is far more likly that you will get ill from not eating meat or soy to provide your system with the protiens necessary for healthy blood production and muscle healing and growth.

This debate is so rediculous because I have no way to substantiate most of your points but all of mine can be verified on

www.Fda.Gov
www.Usda.Gov

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Jamiebelly

replied on May 17th, 2005

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hotasfrick wrote:

why don't you just stop being insulting and realize that you posted it incorrectly in the first place?

You said, that consuming meat causes, blah blah. You did not say that consuming too much meat causes, blah blah. Just accept that for goodness sakes. Should I have just known what you meant? I'm not psychic now.

again,

'did you not have the slightest idea that the information might of had a connection with the main topic?' 'you couldn't even understand something so simplistic without having me state it perfectly clear for you?'

if you think you need to be psychic to comprehend that, my gosh, how do you manage to get through the day?

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Jamiebelly

replied on May 17th, 2005

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tamadrummer wrote:

i don't think I can find any links tying meat to homosexuality/masculinty since it is not in any way tied to any research that any compotent research company/facility would embark in.

As a college student, I just completed nutrition 220 at the university of phoenix and so it is easy for me to provide more then adequate information with regard to the nutritional value in meat consumption.

However, finding anything to substantiate your ties of meat to sexuality would be totaly impossible. You are right when you say that eating certian meats can but are not guarenteed to increase the risk of heart disease and other forms of cancer.

On the other hand, it is far more likly that you will get ill from not eating meat or soy to provide your system with the protiens necessary for healthy blood production and muscle healing and growth.

This debate is so rediculous because I have no way to substantiate most of your points but all of mine can be verified on

www.Fda.Gov
www.Usda.Gov

you cannot always base your knowledge on education. Unless you can provide accurate, confirmed facts that meat does not affect sexuality, please don't jump to conclusions that it would be 'totaly impossible.'

'on the other hand, it is far more likly that you will get ill from not eating meat or soy to provide your system with the protiens necessary for healthy blood production and muscle healing and growth.'

please stay on topic. There's no need to provide extra information all the time that is unrelated to the present concerned issue. Again, I repeat 'no one is saying anything about completely eliminating meat consumption,' and that the information was obtained from a professional website, where facts were assessed by natural food scientists and dieticians. Stop refering it to 'my points' or 'my ties to meat.' obviously you can varify your info, you're just listing general, proven facts.
'meat or soy to provide your system with proteins' oh, who knew. :roll:

not once have I said I believe the facts that I have posted, but just because something may sound inaccessible, doesn't make it fictitious. Everyone is so sure that excessive meat intake can never be linked to homosexuality/masculinity in women. Though, what evidence do you have to say this is inaccurate? I've already mentioned that I have consulted with a doctor and he indicated that testosterone concentration can be increased by those consuming a high-protein, meat-containing diet, due to it's influence by saturated fats. Because meat can alter your hormones, he concluded that meat can indeed lead to increased hair growth, strength, and deeper voices in women. Call it masculinity if you want, but it is true that meat does increase testosterone synthesis in both sexes. Anyways, the bottom line is eating too much meat can lead to future health problems. Whether the facts are accurate or not, all i'm trying to get through to people is just be aware of the amount of meat you consume.

Here's an article you can read up on: meat consumption and cancer risk
http://www.Americancancersocietypromotesdi sease.Org/connection.Html

i'm finished with this thread. It seems like i'm just being repetitive.
Thank you for all those who've replied. I guess i'll just try harder to convince my daddy to eat less. :d

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Tamadrummer

replied on May 17th, 2005

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I will concede the point of increased risk of cancer for the 2nd time. You chose only to qoute portions of the last message I posted.

You have done a fine job of verifying the already known "fact" that eating meat in any amount not in large or small amounts but in any amount depending on the genetics of the person, can increase the rate of colon cancer. Good job I have said that over and over as well.

Provide anything factual and science based other then the private conversation you have with your doctor that eating meat effects sexuality.

I have searched on google, yahoo and lycos search engines and have come up with nothing to substantiate with scientific "fact" and research that eating meat effects sexuality in any way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not myth but fact has to be used, and not your doctors own field study that has no scientific basis other then he/she carries the title of doctor.

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2ferano

replied on May 18th, 2005

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You will never get the point, so there is no point in wasting our time. Good luck trying to find someone to believe this nonsense!

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