About abortion anyhow? I"m going to pretend that the christian religion is the truth for a bit.. So bare with me. Let's say ensoulment does occur at conception... And that the z/e/f is innocent.. Ok.. What happens to innocent souls? They go to heaven right? Or.. They could be reincarnated because another christian belief is that everybody has a purpose in life and chances are, the z/e/f didnt accomplish theirs before death...Soooo then it would be reincarnated and not miss a chance at this "great" thing called life. Now.. What the hell is so bad about heaven or simply being reincarnante early? I would much rather skip life altogether and go straight to heaven. I mean.. As for the zef having a choice in abortion.. Would you honestly sit there pondering your options and choose life here on this shitty earth and a chance in hell over definate eternity in heaven? If so then the woman should abort anyway (if she so desires) because if the zef chooses life on earth and a chance in hell over eternal bliss then the mother must be on some heavy !**@! and it would have fas or be a crack baby if born.
Also.. If this god you christians speak of.. Is all knowing.. Then why the hell would it let a "baby" implant in the womb of a woman he knows is going to abort? And if the woman is such a selfish prostitute and you think she's a baby killer.. Then what the hell makes you think she's suitable for child rearing anyway? And as for those infertile couples who can't have a child.. If they are so desperate.. Then they will take the 12 year old abused boy from the foster home rather then be on the waiting list for a white newborn.. So they can cry me a river for all I care.. There's plenty of kids up for adopting.. We aint hard up. And no i'm not being insensitive to infertile people.. I may be infertile myself.
Also.. If this god you christians speak of.. Is all knowing.. Then why the hell would it let a "baby" implant in the womb of a woman he knows is going to abort? And if the woman is such a selfish prostitute and you think she's a baby killer.. Then what the hell makes you think she's suitable for child rearing anyway? And as for those infertile couples who can't have a child.. If they are so desperate.. Then they will take the 12 year old abused boy from the foster home rather then be on the waiting list for a white newborn.. So they can cry me a river for all I care.. There's plenty of kids up for adopting.. We aint hard up. And no i'm not being insensitive to infertile people.. I may be infertile myself.
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
|
A lot of people think it is better to force the woman to carry the fetus for nine months only to give it up for adoption. Even though we have so many children who are already in the system who will most likely never get adopted, and the more babies we add to that, the less of chance these children will ever get homes. Most people who are against abortion or for one thing, the fetus. The people who are affected and may suffer from being forced to carry the fetus, die in childbirth and then the child be adopted only to be abused its whole life, don't matter at all. Only one thing matter and that is that the fetus have a right to "live." but, in all honestly (i agree with you bd) is life that great of a thing to begin with? Look at all the suffering in this world and seriously consider this. Think of the children who will never find a home if abortion were made illegal. We would have over twice as many children being "raised" in the system with no one in the world to love them. Is that really better?
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
Re: What's So Bad?
| bd1012 wrote: |
| about abortion anyhow? I"m going to pretend that the christian religion is the truth for a bit.. So bare with me. Let's say ensoulment does occur at conception... And that the z/e/f is innocent.. Ok.. What happens to innocent souls? They go to heaven right? Or.. They could be reincarnated because another christian belief is that everybody has a purpose in life and chances are, the z/e/f didnt accomplish theirs before death...Soooo then it would be reincarnated and not miss a chance at this "great" thing called life. Now.. What the hell is so bad about heaven or simply being reincarnante early? I would much rather skip life altogether and go straight to heaven. I mean.. As for the zef having a choice in abortion.. Would you honestly sit there pondering your options and choose life here on this health questionty earth and a chance in hell over definate eternity in heaven? If so then the woman should abort anyway (if she so desires) because if the zef chooses life on earth and a chance in hell over eternal bliss then the mother must be on some heavy health question and it would have fas or be a crack baby if born.
Also.. If this god you christians speak of.. Is all knowing.. Then why the hell would it let a "baby" implant in the womb of a woman he knows is going to abort? And if the woman is such a selfish prostitute and you think she's a baby killer.. Then what the hell makes you think she's suitable for child rearing anyway? And as for those infertile couples who can't have a child.. If they are so desperate.. Then they will take the 12 year old abused boy from the foster home rather then be on the waiting list for a white newborn.. So they can cry me a river for all I care.. There's plenty of kids up for adopting.. We aint hard up. And no i'm not being insensitive to infertile people.. I may be infertile myself. |
i am not actually against abortion the act more some of the reasons for doing it.I agree that in certain cases that abortion is neccesary,i suppose living in a country where money cannot be used as an excuse,where pregnant teenagers are given every bit of help possible including housing and help with the child and day to day living,i find some of the reasons a bit dire,if you know what I mean.I have got to agree with you on the adoption point bd far too many people want the perfect baby,if they are that desperate or really want to help these children then yes they would take a 12 year old abused child and give them love,saying that I don't know what it is like in america but they have some strange rules for adopting over here,such has no mixed marriages,no white child to black parents and vice versa,and they make it hard if you are overwieght or if you smoke or are un married.So it is virtually impossible for them to place a child in these circumstances.I would take these children if I could my childhood was filled with love and joy,we are a big family,but I know that some children had less than me though some had more than me,i just believe that children if they are shown fair amounts of love and discipline will enjoy thier childhood,sorry that rambled on a bit
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
Re: What's So Bad?
| foreverblue wrote: |
| I am not actually against abortion the act more some of the reasons for doing it. |
if your not actually against the act itself why would the reason matter?
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
Re: What's So Bad?
| bd1012 wrote: |
| about abortion anyhow? I"m going to pretend that the christian religion is the truth for a bit.. So bare with me. Let's say ensoulment does occur at conception... And that the z/e/f is innocent.. Ok.. What happens to innocent souls? They go to heaven right? Or.. They could be reincarnated because another christian belief is that everybody has a purpose in life and chances are, the z/e/f didnt accomplish theirs before death...Soooo then it would be reincarnated and not miss a chance at this "great" thing called life. Now.. What the hell is so bad about heaven or simply being reincarnante early? I would much rather skip life altogether and go straight to heaven. I mean.. As for the zef having a choice in abortion.. Would you honestly sit there pondering your options and choose life here on this health questionty earth and a chance in hell over definate eternity in heaven? If so then the woman should abort anyway (if she so desires) because if the zef chooses life on earth and a chance in hell over eternal bliss then the mother must be on some heavy health question and it would have fas or be a crack baby if born.
Also.. If this god you christians speak of.. Is all knowing.. Then why the hell would it let a "baby" implant in the womb of a woman he knows is going to abort? And if the woman is such a selfish prostitute and you think she's a baby killer.. Then what the hell makes you think she's suitable for child rearing anyway? And as for those infertile couples who can't have a child.. If they are so desperate.. Then they will take the 12 year old abused boy from the foster home rather then be on the waiting list for a white newborn.. So they can cry me a river for all I care.. There's plenty of kids up for adopting.. We aint hard up. And no i'm not being insensitive to infertile people.. I may be infertile myself. |
well I feel sorry for people who find life so futile and meaningless. There are terrible issues in our world, and we all should do our small part to make the world a better place, seriously. The more small acts anyone does adds up. If you think killing a life before it has a chance to experience any pain or joy or be conscious of itself is a solution, well, I strongly disagree. What incentive do we have to improve the adoption/foster care system if your solution is to kill them before they become even more of a problem?
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
Re: What's So Bad?
| where_is_the_line wrote: | ||
if your not actually against the act itself why would the reason matter? |
if a woman is going to die then there should be abortion because in some cases it will end with both mother and baby dying,whereas with a termination there is a chance that she could still concieve later on.
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
Re: What's So Bad?
| where_is_the_line wrote: |
| what incentive do we have to improve the adoption/foster care system if your solution is to kill them before they become even more of a problem? |
forgive me but I failed to see where bd advocated compelled abortions. Obviously, not every unplanned pregnancy ends in an abortion just as not every unplanned pregnancy ends in a viable, living child. The incentive for fixing the system that is in place right now is the children who are already suffering within it, not those who may or may not become apart of it later on. What incentive is there to do anything at all if you are not striving to help the people who are currently suffering? There isn't an incentive to fix the system for possible future children. The incentive to fix it lies in the anguish that already existing children experience.
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
| Quote: |
| if you think killing a life before it has a chance to experience any pain or joy or be conscious of itself is a solution, well, I strongly disagree. |
i'm going to have to laugh at this, as you probably eat meat? But this is just a guess. Now, I do too, so i'm not saying it's wrong, but you're preaching about 'killing a life before it has a chance to experience any pain or joy.' whats your excuse for killing life that is already experiencing it, and living life?
Yeah. ;)
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
Bd, nor anyone else in this thread, offered abortion as a solution for anything. No, this world is not perfect. There really isn't any solution for the problem of unwanted pregancies. But, is it really your business what a pregnant woman decides to do? Is it any of ours? Unless you are the one who has to go through with the pregnancy and then birth, and then figuring out what to do with the child (raising it, giving it up for adoption) then really, who are you to say? Whether the fetus is given the opportunity to become a child and be given life or not is up to the person responsible for that, not anyone else. And if you really think it is better to be "given life" and then "raised" by being bounced from one foster home to another, molested, beaten and unloved then that is your opinion and you have a right to it. But, others may feel that it be better to just end the pregnancy. That is their opinion and they are entitled to it. I personally don't feel that I could carry through with a pregnancy for nine months (when I never want children nor do I ever want to be pregnant) give birth and risk dying, and then give the baby to complete strangers who for all I know will abuse the child its whole life. Then when the child grows up, will look for me and tell me how much they hate me for giving them up for adoption. I don't think I could do that. If someone else can, great, but I couldn't. Am I saying abortion is a better option? No. I am saying there isn't an ideal option and unless you are the one in that position, you don't have the right to pick the option. That doesn't seem complicated to me.
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
Agree Agree...
I completely agree with this post, not that it says much because I am not christian but it raises questions to those who are. If god saves- then why wouldn't bringing an unborn soul to heaven be truely saving it? Let the people who made the choice to kill it go to hell for their sins. Aborted fetus- 1 "selfish !**@! who doesn't give a damn about her child"- 0
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
What nonsense. There is no child, despite hate mongering pl trying to demonize the woman on that basis like you did.
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
Dont you enjoy living? Havent you ever been in love? Do you have a favorite food that you would give anything to eat? Life is not only bad things, there is good where ever you look. God did not intend for there to be murderers and thieves. Thats why he flooded saudem and gamora (sorry I know I spelled those wrong), to try to stop all the wrong doing, but man succeeded in ruining the earth again. If someone asked you whether or not you wanted to just die and get sent to heaven or if you wanted to experience some of the most wonderful things on earth like feeling pride, or accomplishment, what about being in love and feeling like you could put someone elses well being before yours for the first time? Would you really give up the chance to have children? I know that sometimes it feels as if life is horrible and you would give anything to die, but there are also times when you feel over joyed and on top of the world. I would never give that up.
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
| babymama2005 wrote: |
| dont you enjoy living? Havent you ever been in love? Do you have a favorite food that you would give anything to eat? Life is not only bad things, there is good where ever you look. God did not intend for there to be not a nice persons and thieves. Thats why he flooded saudem and gamora (sorry I know I spelled those wrong), to try to stop all the wrong doing, but man succeeded in ruining the earth again. If someone asked you whether or not you wanted to just die and get sent to heaven or if you wanted to experience some of the most wonderful things on earth like feeling pride, or accomplishment, what about being in love and feeling like you could put someone elses well being before yours for the first time? Would you really give up the chance to have children? I know that sometimes it feels as if life is horrible and you would give anything to die, but there are also times when you feel over joyed and on top of the world. I would never give that up. |
no, frankly..Living isn't all it's cracked up to be.. I keep seeing how peopel work their ass's off and get hardly anything out of it.. Trying to make a living while other peopel are doing everything they can to take, take, take.. Frankly I want no part of it..Maybe you enjoy it, but that's you. I'm not saying I want to die.. I don't, i'm not depressed.. I'm just basically saying that life's a !**@! and then you die. Unless you are rich.. Then life is sweet. But from what it seems like.. The future is going to be nothing but workign my tail off.. Trying hard to feed myself and make a living and never be able to do what I want to cuz I have to waste all my time working and sleeping just so I have a roof over my head and food in my stomach.. Then retire but be too old and frail to do anything but sit around the house. And do I want to give up the chance to have kids? I'm not exactly a maternal person... I am no good with kids.. So I don't really care if I ever have kids or not. Before you tell me 'well it must not be that bad if you haven't killed yourself".. I'm talking about the future.. What's ahead.. Life in general.. And anyways.. I can't if I wanted to, I don't want to do that to my bf or anyone else and I don't have much of a reason to right now but that doesnt' mean I appreciate being brought into this world to deal with this !**@! we call life.
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
No bd, being rich does not make life better. Sure you can buy more but is that what makes you happy? Are you that materialistic? Life is what you make of it, the people around you, hobbies, pets, etc... It has nothing to do with money.
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
| lil_blaze2004 wrote: |
| no bd, being rich does not make life better. Sure you can buy more but is that what makes you happy? Are you that materialistic? Life is what you make of it, the people around you, hobbies, pets, etc... It has nothing to do with money. |
I dont mean being rich makes your life better because you can buy more stuff, but because you can sit back and enjoy life and do whatever you want, when you want instead of stressing over bills and stuff. Though stuff is nice ;). When you have money, you have freedom and thats mostly what I want.
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
| bd1012 wrote: | ||
I dont mean being rich makes your life better because you can buy more stuff, but because you can sit back and enjoy life and do whatever you want, when you want instead of stressing over bills and stuff. Though stuff is nice ;). When you have money, you have freedom and thats mostly what I want. |
ya maybe if it's the lottery you've won, but a lot of rich people have to work for their money, so they are not just sitting back relaxing. Not stressing over bills is nice but it's not everything.
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
Yes, some of you are really so experienced on life, it is funny, babymama2005, is on bed rest and is contributing alot, and it is such a good life, aye.
I worked until the 38th and the 39th week, with problems, the day that I went into labor with both of mine. When I was kicked in the stomach @ 5 1/2 months prego and was trying to continue on w/pregnancy I continued working in a lot of pain, one week later they had to take the fetus or abort it and it would not have made any difference if I would have worked or not, I should had aborted it when it happened, I went back to work the day after. Just like my other two miscarriages(sp),one with the iud and one with the b/c pill and condom that failed with me, and I am not telling anyone not to use b/c, I am just saying that it failed with me.
I love my life, my kids are grown, they love me and I love them they can come to me because they know that I am open minded, one was having trouble with their marriage and didn't feel a child was good for them @ that time, she was having period problems and her doc even rec. Abortion and I told her it is her choice and that I would back her up and be there for her if she wanted. I love my job because I can help some people! I love my husband! I love my animals! I love going to the gym. The only thing I do not like is these free-loaders, these bums and this pain I must live with 24/7, but I get by, I work, help support those lazy people that do not want to work, that would rather get pregnant or act disabled that love the free system, that have no pride in themselves, heck, they should make some of these people go to war, live in a fox hole, smell old dried blood, watch their buddies get their heads blown off, with nothing to eat or drink for a few days , just like I did, then they might have some respect, pride and decency for their country.
Sincerely,
sandy
I worked until the 38th and the 39th week, with problems, the day that I went into labor with both of mine. When I was kicked in the stomach @ 5 1/2 months prego and was trying to continue on w/pregnancy I continued working in a lot of pain, one week later they had to take the fetus or abort it and it would not have made any difference if I would have worked or not, I should had aborted it when it happened, I went back to work the day after. Just like my other two miscarriages(sp),one with the iud and one with the b/c pill and condom that failed with me, and I am not telling anyone not to use b/c, I am just saying that it failed with me.
I love my life, my kids are grown, they love me and I love them they can come to me because they know that I am open minded, one was having trouble with their marriage and didn't feel a child was good for them @ that time, she was having period problems and her doc even rec. Abortion and I told her it is her choice and that I would back her up and be there for her if she wanted. I love my job because I can help some people! I love my husband! I love my animals! I love going to the gym. The only thing I do not like is these free-loaders, these bums and this pain I must live with 24/7, but I get by, I work, help support those lazy people that do not want to work, that would rather get pregnant or act disabled that love the free system, that have no pride in themselves, heck, they should make some of these people go to war, live in a fox hole, smell old dried blood, watch their buddies get their heads blown off, with nothing to eat or drink for a few days , just like I did, then they might have some respect, pride and decency for their country.
Sincerely,
sandy
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
You seem to be a strong woman sandy!
I too went back to work a day or 2 after my miscarriages, (one was on a friday so I didn't go back till monday but..) I would have worked untill next week (2 weeks before my due date) except my doc put me on sick leave as I had a cold that would not go away and they are doing construction at my work as we are expanding and he did not want me around all the fumes. I am so bored being home right now and wish I was back at work. I even go visit every coupleof weeks just to keep up on stuff. As a lot of the stuff I deal with is very confidential (customs) I can't work from home so... Anyway babymama2005 is an exception, she has cancer and is just trying to do what's best for her and bella.
I might not be as old as you sandy (i'll be 26 in 3 months) but I have gone through so much in my life that I feel like an old soul. I have been on my own since 15 and worked my ass off to get where I am today! I enjoy my life because I made it what it is. My pets make me laugh, my bf makes me happy (most of the time-lol), I love my home caus ei worked to make it pretty, I don;t love going to the gym but... Lol. Money is not everything. Bd wait till you're older and you look back on things. Maybe if you didn't think this way you'd be happier. Find something that makes you happy and stick with it. Enjoy being young and free!
I too went back to work a day or 2 after my miscarriages, (one was on a friday so I didn't go back till monday but..) I would have worked untill next week (2 weeks before my due date) except my doc put me on sick leave as I had a cold that would not go away and they are doing construction at my work as we are expanding and he did not want me around all the fumes. I am so bored being home right now and wish I was back at work. I even go visit every coupleof weeks just to keep up on stuff. As a lot of the stuff I deal with is very confidential (customs) I can't work from home so... Anyway babymama2005 is an exception, she has cancer and is just trying to do what's best for her and bella.
I might not be as old as you sandy (i'll be 26 in 3 months) but I have gone through so much in my life that I feel like an old soul. I have been on my own since 15 and worked my ass off to get where I am today! I enjoy my life because I made it what it is. My pets make me laugh, my bf makes me happy (most of the time-lol), I love my home caus ei worked to make it pretty, I don;t love going to the gym but... Lol. Money is not everything. Bd wait till you're older and you look back on things. Maybe if you didn't think this way you'd be happier. Find something that makes you happy and stick with it. Enjoy being young and free!
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
I had female cancer too, which I ended up with a complete hysterectomy, the best surgery that I have ever had, because of that I am cancer free. I went back to work one week after that chemo and all, I have had 22 surgeries in my life and now I have something they cannot fix but I still work and help pay for the low-lifes that do not want to work, and if I remember correctly they had them in your country also of course it has been some time that I have visited your country, this is why their needs to be a choice as we cannot support all of these that want to fall pregnant and get in the system, we stopped our health plan for new people and we are catching alot of people who are cheating the system and kicking them off. I never got anything for free.
Always,
sandy
Always,
sandy
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
Sandy I respect you for everything that you have gone through, but you have no idea what I have been through in my short life. If you knew, you would not have made that statement. And yes I am on bedrest but that does not mean that I did not work before I found out that I had to stay in bed. Plus being happy in life has nothing to do with how much you have suffered. If it were up to me I would forget all of my hardships and focus on all the things that have made me happy. Just because you are older and have had rough times doesnt mean you have life figured out better than the rest of us, and it sure as hell does not mean that you can take away the right of some other soul to live its life.
|
Did you find this post helpful?
You marked this post as helpful! I changed my mind
Saving 
|
We comply with the HONcode standard for trustworthy health information: verify here. |
The site is not a replacement for professional medical opinion, examination, diagnosis or treatment.
Always seek the advice of your medical doctor or other qualified health professional before starting any new treatment
or making any changes to existing treatment. Do not delay seeking or disregard medical advice based on information
written by any author on this site. No health questions and information on eHealth Forum is regulated or
evaluated by the Food and Drug Administration and therefore the information should not be used to diagnose, treat, cure or
prevent any disease without the supervision of a medical doctor. Posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author,
and not the administrators, moderators, or editorial staff and hence eHealth Forum and its principals will accept no
liabilities or responsibilities for the statements made.
This page was last updated on Jun 18, 2013.
© 2010 eHealthForum.com
This page was last updated on Jun 18, 2013.
© 2010 eHealthForum.com