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Posted: 04-16-05 17:15pm

Very well said, hotasfrick!
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Posted: 04-16-05 17:24pm

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you are the biggest liar that has ever walked on this earth. I only attack after I have been attacked. You foreverblue, are below scum. You are the biggest whiner their has ever been. Me, a racist, lol, I have even helped your people, blacks and more that you can ever name, you are soooo weak. I said it before, you have already ruined one site, please do not ruin this one. I have no more time to spend on an stupid fool fool hypocrite that you are. Iam a better person than you will ever be, your time here is truly wasted foreverblue, as I feel I am here to debate abortion, not to listen or put up with your garbage.


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i used yours and steen reasoning,you two accused me of being racist because I did not condem izzys post,so if that makes me a racist in your eyes,then by the same rule you did not condem steens racist comment therefore you are a racist.My time here is not wasted if I can stop one woman believing yours and steens lies about abortion then I consider it a good use of time
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Posted: 04-16-05 17:28pm

No, no one goes to jail for trying to commit suicide, but if they are caught doing so (and not successful) then they are put into an institution of some sort against their will, medicated against their will (or whatever else the psychiatrists deem necessary) and not released until they can convince whomever is in charge that they don't want to die anymore. It isn't jail or even punishment per say, but really I don't see why a person doesn't have the right to take their own life. Don't get me wrong, I do think people who feel that way need and deserve help to at least see if there is a way for them to be happy, but if they decide that their isn't, then I don't think anyone has a right to stop them.



No,no one goes to jail for trying to commit suicide the law was passed so that they could *help* the person,as you say even if they do not want the help,in england it is called a sectioning
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Posted: 04-16-05 18:48pm

Why do I need to waste my time on you. I am not a liar. I posted it before, and I will post it again, #1 agreeing with someone is my right, #2 steen and I were dicussing izzy, you had not even posted yet.
Even hotasfrick went on to say that the only racist is within the pro-life area(something like that).
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Posted: 04-18-05 10:52am

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www.Dictionary.Com learn to spell will you I can hardly understand your gibberish
non-sequitur.



excuse me and your problem is?

What do mean it is'nt logical?If you read his posts you will see the evidence.
my problem is that insults add nothing to the debate at hand. Pulling up a link to dictionary.Com proves nothing other than that you cannot post without attempting to insult someone. I didn't mean that everything you posted was illogical. I meant that posting the dictionary link and the request to learn to spell did not follow the debate *at all* and was and is unnecessary.
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Posted: 04-18-05 12:14pm

jenn_smithson wrote:
foreverblue wrote:
jenn_smithson wrote:
foreverblue wrote:
www.Dictionary.Com learn to spell will you I can hardly understand your gibberish
non-sequitur.



excuse me and your problem is?


What do mean it is'nt logical?If you read his posts you will see the evidence.
my problem is that insults add nothing to the debate at hand. Pulling up a link to dictionary.Com proves nothing other than that you cannot post without attempting to insult someone. I didn't mean that everything you posted was illogical. I meant that posting the dictionary link and the request to learn to spell did not follow the debate *at all* and was and is unnecessary.



hey surprise surprise prochoice hypocrisy in the flesh,but then again what can you expect is'nt it amazing that prochoice can insult and slag off people but the minute a pro lifer does it then oh bad boy,why is it only me you have pulled why not steen,ahh but I forget he is pro choices god is'nt he?
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Posted: 04-18-05 13:06pm

foreverblue wrote:
jenn_smithson wrote:
foreverblue wrote:
jenn_smithson wrote:
foreverblue wrote:
www.Dictionary.Com learn to spell will you I can hardly understand your gibberish
non-sequitur.



excuse me and your problem is?



What do mean it is'nt logical?If you read his posts you will see the evidence.
my problem is that insults add nothing to the debate at hand. Pulling up a link to dictionary.Com proves nothing other than that you cannot post without attempting to insult someone. I didn't mean that everything you posted was illogical. I meant that posting the dictionary link and the request to learn to spell did not follow the debate *at all* and was and is unnecessary.



hey surprise surprise prochoice hypocrisy in the flesh,but then again what can you expect is'nt it amazing that prochoice can insult and slag off people but the minute a pro lifer does it then oh bad boy,why is it only me you have pulled why not steen,ahh but I forget he is pro choices god is'nt he?
please provide the links where I have insulted *anyone* at *any time*.

You can't? That's because I do not believe in insulting others simply because they believe differently than I do. Further, your post was the first that I saw that added absolutely nothing to the debate at hand. The quote was merely used to insult. It added nothing and only served to detract from the actual discussion.

So, let me get this straight. I am to come one here after being driven away by infantile behavior more fitting a kindegarten class room than a message board full of supposed adults and I am then to not reply to the first instance that I see of this behavior resurfacing because the person posting is "pro-life" and I am pro-choice. I did not read the entire thread. I only read the first page that showed up and I only replied to the first post that I saw which purposefully sought to detract from the conversation at hand. Am I to only reply to pro-choice individuals such as myself? Or, like the kindegarten teacher, am I to go person by person admonishing every little thing I see? Is that what this message board needs - an adult willing to ask for some civil discussion?

.G.R.O.W. U.P.

Just for you and you alone, I will be more than happy to go to the beginning of this thread and pick out everything that I see that detracted from the argument and was an insult. Because you think the I am unfair, I am willing to do this once. However, no one would have to do this at all if *.E.V.E.R.Y.O.N.E* would just stick to the doing it discussion and not feel the need to make themselves feel better through insulting others.
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Posted: 04-18-05 13:22pm

These posts get more and more ridiculous all the time. I can't believe everyone is an adult here!

By the way blue... I hear fish finally got her way.."wink wink" lol
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Posted: 04-18-05 13:40pm

What follows are the insults contained on this thread:

jlee77 - how selfish and petty are you?! :roll:

sandyallen - no, you are the joke here jlee...Get over yourself...You and foreverblue seem a lot alike but I guess we need to keep you two around for laughs

foreverblue - sandy get over yourself the only jokes here are you and steen...When are you going to post something of value

steen - most people are not anti-semitic like you and izzy.

Jlee77 - your a rude brat for an old woman. :roll:

foreverblue - liar I am not anti semitic for the fourth time and your drivel accusing me is getting boring,where is your proof,got none,shows how stupid you really are steen,

sandyallen - I would much rather have a mind of my own than to be a sheep like you, so thank you very much for the compliment, I do hope you enjoy falling off the cliff, I will bet steen and I will be laughing, walking by us, watching you jump because I know that you cannot push me.

Foreverblue - you dont have a mind of your own...No it does not surprise me that niether you nor steen would help a dying person but would stand and laugh,very telling of your mentality,what makes you think I want to commit suicide?If I was you sandyallen I would stop taking the drugs{i wonder if they are the legal variety}and get some sort of a grip on reality.

Steen - you know, sandy, he is getting kind of pathetic here, isn't he?

Sandyallen - foreverblue, get over yourself

sandyallen - pathetic for foreverblue is putting it nicely(lol). He really enjoys twisting posts, but what can we expect.

Foreverblue - I am getting pathetic what about you ,you are always saying you have proof so come on mr liar where is your proof,asking you for proof is not pathetic,but it is very telling about you steen.

Foreverblue - I think it is you who is sad and pathetic,get a grip woman you do not have a clue about me.You follow behind a liar who has never posted proof in his life and you still love him,how sad,pathetic and lonley you must be sandyallen learn to read sandyallen because it is clear from your posts that you have not read the posts that have come before.

Then after the discussion was back on track briefly:

jlee77 - hmmm....The only pathetic one here is you from what i'm witnessing. Sandy you are not lagging far behind but not a surprise as steen is raising your flock.

Foreverblue - sandy get real you are such a mindless sheep I am surprised that you can even type without steens help...So get real,maybe a dose of reality might do you good,failing that find a dark room somewhere and go hide away from reality because clearly you have no concept of what is real and what you have dreamt.

Steen - how hypocritical

while steen did levy an insult in his previous post, he, also, did make very valid points to the conversation which were ignored when this was posted:

foreverblue - www.Dictionary.Com learn to spell will you I can hardly understand your gibberish

to which I then replied and to which we both have derailed the relevant conversation.

There were 2 conversations present here all along. Whether religion has a place within the abortion debate forum; and, once again the argument of bodily autonomy and equal protection under the laws. If you and everyone else, including myself, would like to once again return to either of those, I think it would be for the best.

A break down of these quotes containing insults follows:
jlee77 - 3
foreverblue - 7
steen - 3
sandyallen - 4

and if you were offended by my non-sequitor comment - 1, for myself.

Don't you get tired of this?! Isn't it disappointing for you when conversations become just an insulting match? Why is this not the behavior I find on *all* of the other boards that I belong too? Why is it seemingly just on this board?

Can you people (*everyone*) not discuss things without resulting to insults? Can you not have a peaceful, relevant conversation without it?
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Posted: 04-18-05 13:53pm

lil_blaze2004 wrote:
these posts get more and more ridiculous all the time. I can't believe everyone is an adult here!


By the way blue... I hear fish finally got her way.."wink wink" lol



yeah she did lol but she always does.I reckon a month at the most
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Posted: 04-18-05 14:12pm

jenn_smithson wrote:
what follows are the insults contained on this thread:

jlee77 - how selfish and petty are you?! :roll:

sandyallen - no, you are the joke here jlee...Get over yourself...You and foreverblue seem a lot alike but I guess we need to keep you two around for laughs

foreverblue - sandy get over yourself the only jokes here are you and steen...When are you going to post something of value

steen - most people are not anti-semitic like you and izzy.

Jlee77 - your a rude brat for an old woman. :roll:

foreverblue - liar I am not anti semitic for the fourth time and your drivel accusing me is getting boring,where is your proof,got none,shows how stupid you really are steen,

sandyallen - I would much rather have a mind of my own than to be a sheep like you, so thank you very much for the compliment, I do hope you enjoy falling off the cliff, I will bet steen and I will be laughing, walking by us, watching you jump because I know that you cannot push me.

Foreverblue - you dont have a mind of your own...No it does not surprise me that niether you nor steen would help a dying person but would stand and laugh,very telling of your mentality,what makes you think I want to commit suicide?If I was you sandyallen I would stop taking the drugs{i wonder if they are the legal variety}and get some sort of a grip on reality.


Steen - you know, sandy, he is getting kind of pathetic here, isn't he?


Sandyallen - foreverblue, get over yourself

sandyallen - pathetic for foreverblue is putting it nicely(lol). He really enjoys twisting posts, but what can we expect.

Foreverblue - I am getting pathetic what about you ,you are always saying you have proof so come on mr liar where is your proof,asking you for proof is not pathetic,but it is very telling about you steen.

Foreverblue - I think it is you who is sad and pathetic,get a grip woman you do not have a clue about me.You follow behind a liar who has never posted proof in his life and you still love him,how sad,pathetic and lonley you must be sandyallen learn to read sandyallen because it is clear from your posts that you have not read the posts that have come before.


Then after the discussion was back on track briefly:

jlee77 - hmmm....The only pathetic one here is you from what i'm witnessing. Sandy you are not lagging far behind but not a surprise as steen is raising your flock.

Foreverblue - sandy get real you are such a mindless sheep I am surprised that you can even type without steens help...So get real,maybe a dose of reality might do you good,failing that find a dark room somewhere and go hide away from reality because clearly you have no concept of what is real and what you have dreamt.


Steen - how hypocritical

while steen did levy an insult in his previous post, he, also, did make very valid points to the conversation which were ignored when this was posted:

foreverblue - www.Dictionary.Com learn to spell will you I can hardly understand your gibberish

to which I then replied and to which we both have derailed the relevant conversation.

There were 2 conversations present here all along. Whether religion has a place within the abortion debate forum; and, once again the argument of bodily autonomy and equal protection under the laws. If you and everyone else, including myself, would like to once again return to either of those, I think it would be for the best.


A break down of these quotes containing insults follows:
jlee77 - 3
foreverblue - 7
steen - 3
sandyallen - 4

and if you were offended by my non-sequitor comment - 1, for myself.

Don't you get tired of this?! Isn't it disappointing for you when conversations become just an insulting match? Why is this not the behavior I find on *all* of the other boards that I belong too? Why is it seemingly just on this board?


Can you people (*everyone*) not discuss things without resulting to insults? Can you not have a peaceful, relevant conversation without it?



yes I am sick of it resulting in a slanging insulting thread,but I am not going to sit back and let steen call me a liar for no reason other than he does'nt agree with what I say.By the way there are worse boards than this I checked out a few before joining this one and this was the least hate filled,try having a look at prochoicetalk.Com some of the stuff I read in there was vile death threats and the like,at least you do not get that on here,as to why I posted that link was because steen and sandyallen are the first to insult anyone who spells a single thing wrong,yet they both make more grammatical errors than anyone else,so yes it was wrong but only what they would of done.I did not say you had insulted anyone,i was complaining that even though there were more insults than mine you chose mine,in retrospect I should of worded it a bit more diplomatically and asked rather than accused straight out,my apologies
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Posted: 04-18-05 14:17pm

Me, a racist, lol, I have even helped your people, blacks




sorry but your wording proves my point admirally thank you,i do not see colour or nationality all I see are humans.
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Posted: 04-18-05 15:04pm

foreverblue wrote:
lil_blaze2004 wrote:
these posts get more and more ridiculous all the time. I can't believe everyone is an adult here!



By the way blue... I hear fish finally got her way.."wink wink" lol



yeah she did lol but she always does.I reckon a month at the most


lol- I said 1 week. Teehee...
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Posted: 04-18-05 20:08pm

Again, please learn to read and understand, in other words, I have helped alot, so that would not make me a racist, I was just breaking it down more for you to understand it better, I know if they need help I will do whatever I can to help them. This is what I do and who I am.
Sincerely,
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Posted: 04-19-05 00:25am

*laughs!!!!*
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Posted: 04-19-05 14:14pm

jlee77 wrote:
did you seriously just take the time to observe and record all this? Wow.
Oh....And next time get it right. You left out a few harsh insults that came from some not included in your tally. Don't pick and choose ok?
and which “harsh insults that came from some” did I not include? Please do point them out. I went from the first page of this thread up until my non-sequitor comment as I said I would do and picked out the insults one at a time.


My methodology was: any group of words which would either 1) directly insult another individual or 2) derail the relevant conversation. For your benefit as well as my own to dismiss these unfounded accusations of favoritism or “picking and choosing”, I will once again go from the first page to my “non-sequitor” reply and pick out every quote which fits the above criteria.

The following is a list of all the people who have posted on this thread:
csi, lil_blaze2004, foreverblue, brianbaby, bd1012, hotasfrick, fishx, steen, izzy (*i did not include any of izzy’s posts in the counts), sandyallen, and where_is_the_line.

There was a comment that insulted what another poster had said by steen, however after an explanation steen said, “sorry, I was under the impression that you were a christian.” since there was an apology and nothing more was said, I did not include it nor did I include any other misunderstandings that resulted in an apology.
I ignored izzy’s posts from past experience, so they too were not included.

Sandyallen - this last post shows your hate and judgementalness(sp)
*i did originally not include this post as I personally felt it held some merit. However, since I am an objective researcher, I will add it because it does meet the research criteria.*

jlee77 - how selfish and petty are you?! :roll:

sandyallen - no, you are the joke here jlee…you and foreverblue seem a lot alike but I guess we need to keep you two around for laughs.


Foreverblue - sandy get over yourself the only jokes here are you and steen,

steen - most people are not anti-semitic like you and izzy.


Jlee77 - your a rude brat for an old woman. :roll:

foreverblue - shows how stupid you really are steen,

sandyallen - I would much rather have a mind of my own than to be a sheep like you

foreverblue - what are you on…i am not the one blindly following a person

steen - you know, sandy, he is getting kind of pathetic here, isn't he?


Sandyallen - pathetic for foreverblue is putting it nicely(lol). He really enjoys twisting posts, but what can we expect.


Foreverblue - so come on mr liar where is your proof

foreverblue - you follow behind a liar who has never posted proof in his life and you still love him,how sad,pathetic and lonley you
must be sandyallen

again, I ignored izzy’s post though he and hotasfrick did get the conversation back on track to what it was in the beginning. Where_is_the_line and hotasfrick then continued a relevant conversation.

The relevant conversation was broken by:

jlee77 - the only pathetic one here is you from what i'm witnessing. Sandy you are not lagging far behind but not a surprise as steen is raising your flock.


Hotasfrick and where_is_the_line then attempted to continue their relevant conversation. The conversation was actually able to progress until:

foreverblue - sandy get real you are such a mindless sheep I am surprised that you can even type without steens help…maybe a dose of reality might do you good,failing that find a dark room somewhere and go hide away from reality because clearly you have no concept of what is real and what you have dreamt.


Steen - how hypocritical.


Foreverblue - www.Dictionary.Com learn to spell will you I can hardly understand your gibberish

then came my non-sequitor comment which is the end of my research. There were other comments after my “non-sequitor” but as I did not count them in the original study, I will not count them here either.

With reviewing the content, the breakdown is as follows:
sandyallen – 4
jlee – 3
foreverblue – 7
steen – 3
and if foreverblue was offended, non-sequitor – 1, for myself.

Do the same thing yourself. Go from the first page and follow the following criteria: any group of words which either 1) directly insult another person or 2) derail the relevant conversation, and the cut-off that I used was my “non-sequitor” reply.

Will there be any further allegations of favoritism or does this suffice? Shall I choose another thread and do the same thing?
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Posted: 04-19-05 14:29pm

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yes I am sick of it resulting in a slanging insulting thread,but I am not going to sit back and let steen call me a liar for no reason other than he does'nt agree with what I say.
and yet neither of you can be the bigger person by letting it go. Or by simply posting something like, "i'm sorry you don't agree, perhaps we will just have to agree to disagree on this subject." there has to be some sort of break. One of you or better yet both of you needs to stop this and prove that you are the bigger, more noble, more intelligent man by not needing to respond to petty insults in such an infantile manner.
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by the way there are worse boards than this I checked out a few before joining this one and this was the least hate filled,try having a look at prochoicetalk.Com some of the stuff I read in there was vile death threats and the like,at least you do not get that on here,
I am a member of prochoicetalk.Com. We did have a problem with some genuine trolls a while back but those situations have been resolved. Civil debate has returned to that forum.
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as to why I posted that link was because steen and sandyallen are the first to insult anyone who spells a single thing wrong,yet they both make more grammatical errors than anyone else,so yes it was wrong but only what they would of done.
i'm not going to post what I intended to when I first read your statement because it would have been petty and I hold myself to a higher standard than that.
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i did not say you had insulted anyone,i was complaining that even though there were more insults than mine you chose mine,
i'm sorry to disagree but if you will look at the breakdown of the insults, you insulted people more than anyone else. Repeat my little experiment for yourself and you'll see that.
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in retrospect I should of worded it a bit more diplomatically and asked rather than accused straight out,my apologies
apology accepted.

However, I think it would be best that everyone just apologize to everyone else and begin again. I'll even start a thread for it if you wish. I know several people with accounts to this forum who refuse to visit here because of this behavior. These boards here appear to fast becomming another delphiforums place and it would be such a shame for that to happen. It doesn't have to happen, however, if *everyone* would just act like adults and discuss issues with common curtesy for one another.

The title of this thread is "christian". If you claim to be one, then prove it. Turn the other cheek, be the bigger person. The best way to get at someone who is baiting you is to refuse to give them the satisfaction of a response. Tell them you'll pray for them (that always works to shut me up when i'm acting up) or that you don't agree but you believe in their right to express themselves and hold their own beliefs.
Peace,
jenn
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Posted: 04-20-05 00:58am

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i did not say you had insulted anyone,i was complaining that even though there were more insults than mine you chose mine,


i'm sorry to disagree but if you will look at the breakdown of the insults, you insulted people more than anyone else. Repeat my little experiment for yourself and you'll see that. {quote}


please read what I posted properly,i did not say one person ,maybe I should of put it simpler,how about this,i was talking about the fact that other people had also put insults but you did not say anything to them,you chose mine to pull.Is that better can you now stop with the attempt at being sarcastic and give me an honest answer to my query.
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Heres a thought would it not be more prudent to read the complete thing before posting a remark,your hyperbole and excuses notwithstanding it is clear that you are only pulling pro life but pro choice can say or do what they want,instead of having a pop at the last person why don't you go read who started it and have a word with them.No you won't do that though because it is usually steen or sandyallen or another pro choicer who starts it.You can come up with as many excuses as you want it still will not hide the fact that it is only pro life you wish to have a go at.
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Posted: 04-20-05 10:53am

foreverblue wrote:
heres a thought would it not be more prudent to read the complete thing before posting a remark,your hyperbole and excuses notwithstanding it is clear that you are only pulling pro life but pro choice can say or do what they want,instead of having a pop at the last person why don't you go read who started it and have a word with them.
.I .D.I.D. .T.W.I.C.E. did you miss both of them? I went through the *.E.N.T.I.R.E* thread *.T.W.I.C.E.* I apologize for my non-sequitor comment which started all of this as I did just reply to your post alone. However, did you give me the appropriate time to go through the entire thread prior to your snide comments? No, you did not. I have *now* gone through the thread *twice* and pulled out every single one. I really am sorry that you are feeling persecuted but that is not my intention.
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no you won't do that though because it is usually steen or sandyallen or another pro choicer who starts it.You can come up with as many excuses as you want it still will not hide the fact that it is only pro life you wish to have a go at.
I am not having a "go" at *anyone*. I am desperately attempting to introduce some civility and common courtesy to this board. Perhaps I did begin in an improper way, but I have gone back now, *twice*, to make ammends for that mistake. I am not here to start arguments, I am here to quell them so that we can actually have a relevant discussion.
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