Christian

"my opinion: when it is their body that is being affected then yes, I believe so. I don't believe that anyone else should be able to make that decision for her.

Do men, women, anyone for that matter who isn't the one pregnant have the right to make her carry a pregnancy and give birth?"


i think a case can be made that the government is obligated to protect human life and the right to life as written in the declaration of independence and constitution. The issue is personhood. If a pre-born human being is a person before birth, and the event of birth is not what bestows personhood upon humans, then the government is obligated to act reasonably to protect human life.

The counter to that is obviously that a fetus is not a person, which I disagree with. Maybe we cannot sufficiently regulate abortion and must maintain a certain amount of availability based on certain factors of the situation, but the wrong message is being sent out by having abortion legal without any restrictions whatsoever.

This argument is getting old steen and it is about time it was put to bed once and for all.The difference steen between a kidney{or any other organ you wish to compare it to}and a fetus is extremely simple,can your kidney live away from your body after nine months,even with all the technology we have it,how long will it live steen outside of the body?


Can a nine month fetus\child live outside the womb,using the same criteria as above,how long will a fetus\baby survive steen?
Do you see the difference now steen we have tried every other way to prove it but you have closed your mind to any other opinion,maybe now it will be laid to rest.

The relevance is whether a person can be forced to give of their bodily resources to save another life. Yes or no?

Certainly, the kidney patient who could receive the kidney is as alive as the fetus and even more so. That's the kidney patient you happily will let die, by the way.

Foreverblue, there are a lot of times that true family members kidneys are not a match so that is not true, mine was given to a stranger that was in need. I too give blood, I belonged to the gallon club for many years, I help kids to have a better home that are beaten abused, neglected, sexually molested and all you do is whine about giving a little blood and you do not even try to understand why their is a need for abortion, it is people like you who are selfish, self-centered and stupid. Just because you agree w/someone does not mean that you are married to that person or whatever, that has got to be the most stupidist comments I have heard and I have heard a bunch but I guess it can be expected from someone like you, I do not agree w/a lot of things that steen says. Me and my husband do not agree on a lot of things but we still love each other, so get a clue, get a life, get a brain.
Sincerely,
sandy

There you go again, twisting people's words. I have never said that I have been everywhere and have done everything. I could care less what you believe. I enjoy what I do, what I have done and where I have been and where I am going and I never said that I was a saint, that's for sure. I live in the real world, I do grip reality everyday, so it truly sounds like you are the one who needs a grip on reality, little boy. Kidney organ transplants have more to do with this abortion debate forum topic than terri schiavo's(sp) situation. You, foreverblue are becomming more and more of a hypocrite. You, foreverblue cannot handle losing and why don't you stop your stupid drama.
Sincerely,
sandy

You are the biggest liar that has ever walked on this earth. I only attack after I have been attacked. You foreverblue, are below scum. You are the biggest whiner their has ever been. Me, a racist, lol, I have even helped your people, blacks and more that you can ever name, you are soooo weak. I said it before, you have already ruined one site, please do not ruin this one. I have no more time to spend on an stupid fool fool hypocrite that you are. Iam a better person than you will ever be, your time here is truly wasted foreverblue, as I feel I am here to debate abortion, not to listen or put up with your garbage.

Sincerely,
sandy

No, no one goes to jail for trying to commit suicide, but if they are caught doing so (and not successful) then they are put into an institution of some sort against their will, medicated against their will (or whatever else the psychiatrists deem necessary) and not released until they can convince whomever is in charge that they don't want to die anymore. It isn't jail or even punishment per say, but really I don't see why a person doesn't have the right to take their own life. Don't get me wrong, I do think people who feel that way need and deserve help to at least see if there is a way for them to be happy, but if they decide that their isn't, then I don't think anyone has a right to stop them. Just my opinion though.
If the government "protected the life of the fetus" because it was a "person", then in doing so, they would be taking away the rights of the pregnant woman. There is no way to protect the fetus and the mother. It just isn't possible. At least not yet. But, let's say that the fetus could be "removed" and put in some kind of an incubator. Then what? Who is going to raise and care for all of these hundreds of thousands of unwanted children? Look how many children there are already with no homes, state "homes" or abusive homes with no one in the world to love them. Each fetus that you would add to this (if you had your way) is just going to become another child with no one in the world to care for them. Is that really better in your opinion?