What happens when a man takes women's
birth control pills, like ortho tri
cyclen? I heard that it makes a man
impotent... Also, that it's similar to
what they use to chemically castrate
men...
Thanks in advance for replies!!
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Justin_Toronto
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Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 418 Location: Toronto, ON
Posted: 03-21-05 19:56pm
Yes you're correct in both assumptions.
Birth control pills are estrogen and
progesterone. The key here is
progesterone. This will cause a man to
stop producing testosterone and turn off
production of sperm. He will need a
whole lot of birth control pills for an
extended period of time to become sterile
though.
To chemically castrate a man they inject
progesterone (depo-provera).. Which is
the same injectable contraceptive given to
women in place of birth control pills.
They key here is the depo-provera has a
long half-life.. (in other words, it is
time released over an extended period of
time.) the man will require injections
for months to finally become sterile.
So yes, it is what they use to chemically
castrate men... But liquid intra-muscular
injection form, not pill form.
Hope you're not planning on getting
revenge on an ex-boyfriend or something.
:p
be safe,
justin
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sandyallen
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Joined: 02 Feb 2004 Posts: 4580
Posted: 03-21-05 20:33pm
You should never take someone elses
medication not only because it is against
the law but it can mess you up and
possibly permanantly and it can also kill
you.
Sincerely,
sandy
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 03-21-05 21:37pm
Yeah, regular birth control wont do
anything to a man. If they take it they
may get sick, and if they take a lot of it
they may get really sick but that is about
it.
Yes, depo is what they use to try to get
sex offenders to remain impotent, but this
doesn't even work very well. They have
to keep taking it and even then it only
works for some men, not all.
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Mae Day
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Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 6
Posted: 03-22-05 04:41am
Wow, thanks for the responses!
And, no, i'm not planning on doing
anything for revenge :shock: !!
It was just one of those things I wondered
about...
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Justin_Toronto
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Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 418 Location: Toronto, ON
Posted: 03-22-05 10:36am
As hotasfrick mentioned, it's not totally
secure. The reason is, there are other
medications and health store supplements
available to counteract the effects of
injectable depo. Male and female fitness
experts, bodybuilders, athletes, and
supermodels are all aware of these as they
benefit from these hormones to slim their
body, gain muscle, and gain energy, all
the while taking extra supplements to
counteract the possibility of affecting
sex drive, testosterone production (for
men), and impotence. Simple supplements
such as tribulus, tongat ali, hcg, or zinc
are used for men. And if men use another
female drug clomophene citrate (clomid)
and taximophen citrate (nolvadex) used for
inducing ovulation in women, and
protecting against female sexual
problems... The man's testosterone level
will actually increase, and very
effectively allow the use of depo.
So... Depo on it's own, will make a man
sterile over around 3 months of
injections. (typically how long is take
for perminant sterility to set in). But
with the use of other supplements it can
be counteracted.
The more I browse this forum, the more I
realize I know a lot of weird stuff...
:/
j
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Justin_Toronto
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Posted: 03-22-05 10:37am
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2ferano
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Posted: 03-22-05 14:01pm
But depo does not work on all men
either!(wink) even when not purposely
counteracted it does not always achieve
the desired goal. It has failed several
times among pedaphiles who were released
among the normal and ended up raping,
molesting, etc. Again. The dosage has
to be right for the person and even then
some people's bodies just fight it. Just
as with depo used for birth control in
women some women bleed the whole entire
time they are on it in rejection, and
others do not bleed at all. Everyone's
body is affected differently with
medications of any sort and unfortunately
depo isn't the solution it was desired to
be.
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Justin_Toronto
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Posted: 03-22-05 16:23pm
hotasfrick
wrote:
but depo does not work on
all men either!(wink) even when not
purposely counteracted it does not always
achieve the desired goal. It has failed
several times among pedaphiles who were
released among the normal and ended up
raping, molesting, etc. Again. The
dosage has to be right for the person and
even then some people's bodies just fight
it. Just as with depo used for birth
control in women some women bleed the
whole entire time they are on it in
rejection, and others do not bleed at all.
Everyone's body is affected differently
with medications of any sort and
unfortunately depo isn't the solution it
was desired to
be.
interesting, is there a study on this
available? I would like to see why their
natural testosterone levels were not
affected and if they were taking something
else to counteract this. I know quite a
few men and women who take depo for other
purposes... (mainly athletes for men, and
women who are trainers or models) and have
never heard of anyone rejecting synthetic
progesterone, but they are also taking
whatever other agents to counteract as I
advise. But I would like a little more
detailed analysis on this, I don't want to
recommend anything to anyone if there is
the potential their body will react
unexpectedly.
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Mae Day
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Joined: 21 Mar 2005 Posts: 6
Posted: 03-22-05 18:04pm
Thanks you guys! I think I got more than
I asked for, in a good way! And
justin_toronto, I think it's ok that you
know a lot of weird things. Now I know
who to go to if I ever have wonders about
anything else out of the ordinary! I
love this forum... I just found it
yesterday and i've been learning a lot
already... And the question I had had
more to it than I thought!
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2ferano
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Posted: 03-23-05 13:38pm
Justin, I will look for you. I saw it on
a tv show actually a couple of years ago,
but can't even remember what it was. I
will sure look though for you.
For all I know they have improved their
knowledge and figured out how to make it
work on everyone, or I could have
misunderstood as it has been so long.
But, I will try to find where I saw it and
let you know.
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2ferano
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Justin Posted: 03-25-05 01:35am
Ok. I looked for this info and amazingly
there isn't much on it. I did find some
sites that briefly stated that in studies
where sex offenders were sexually
castrated there was a 5% chance of them
repeating their crimes instead of a 46%
chance.
Another site said that men who are
chemically castrated are still able to
have sexual intercourse (which is used in
fighting the people who say that chemical
castration is unconstitutional). There
sex drive is decreased as the testosterone
levels are decreased, but they are still
able to have intercourse and some still
will repeat there crimes.
If you go to yahoo and type in chemical
castration and then chemical castration
effectivenss, the sites I went to are all
in the top ten on the first page. Most
say only one or two lines, one was a legal
document (which had most information) and
then there are a couple others. I didn't
spend very much time looking as I am
tired, but that is what I found so far.
If you want me to I will look further
tomorrow, just let me know.
I didn't find anything that stated how
these men are able to still get an
erection and have intercourse, or why it
doesn't work on all of them, all I found
was those statistics.