I'm married to my husbad for 3 years now,
and he has always liked me to give him
oral sex. I hate the idea but I do it
every now and then just to please him.
Lately, he has admitted to me that when he
goes on business trips he goes to a
massage parlour and gets hand relief, and
that there is nothing emotional about it.
He has mentioned tome that he knows the
place and the women there are safe.
I appreciate his honesty in telling me
this. And although I know it is not
"cheating" in the sense of the word, I am
concerned that he is getting some sort of
sexual thrill outside of me. I still have
a problem with giving him oral sex.
Pls help or advise thanks.
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Justin_Toronto
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 418 Location: Toronto, ON
Posted: 03-17-05 09:13am
Up until he told you about this, it was
cheating. Perhaps not to the full extent
of the word.. But still a form of
cheating. I personally define cheating
as fulfilling one's desires, be it
emotional or physical, from another person
without the knowledge of your spouse of
partner.
In either case, if you don't like giving
oral sex that's fine. Everyone has
preferences and enjoys different things.
How do you feel about providing him with
hand stimulation like as the rub'n'tug
massage parlours?
Have you discussed this with him, or asked
him what you can do to fulfill his needs a
little better? Also don't be afraid to
express to him if there is something he is
not providing for you that you need, be it
emotional or physical.
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oopoopoop
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Posted: 03-17-05 09:39am
What is wrong with his own hand that he
can't masturbate?
Going to a massage parlour is giving him a
thrill beyond simply an orgasm, and I
think this is something you might want to
think about, and ask him about.
Is it cheating? Perhaps not technically.
But he is getting sexual satisfaction from
someone else. Is he thinking about you,
his darling wife, while he is being jerked
off by a prostitute? Probably not.
The other question is whether you believe
he is only getting manual relief. Do you
really think he isn't getting oral sex?
Would it bother you more if he was?
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whiteflag
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Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 18
Posted: 03-17-05 10:03am
Thanks for yr replies.
I asked him whether he gets oral sex when
he goes to these places, and he said that
he's been to 3 all in all, on abt 8-9
trips. He said that he's received oral
sex once and never after that.
Also I asked him whether he thought of me,
and he said sometimes, but not always.
His explanation startled me: he said that
he knows he will always stay faithful to
me (leaving aside the massages etc) and
that a guy always gets attracted to his
wife's friends, and so instead of having
an affair with a friend of mine, he would
rather prefer to just have a fantasy about
them when he is masturbating or getting
off in whatever way. He said he has never
thought this way when he has been with me
though.
He sais abt the massage/hand relief/bj's,
that it only happens when he is away on a
trip and enjoys a hand like mine on him,
instead of doing it himself.
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Justin_Toronto
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 418 Location: Toronto, ON
Posted: 03-17-05 12:00pm
You have to respect the man's honesty. I
do like that he is being upfront with
everything.. Even if his morals are not
what society deems as proper, he is
explaining his emotions, his feelings, and
why he does what he does, and all in the
context of the relationship.
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 03-17-05 13:37pm
Wow. I can't believe that you are still
with him. What he is doing/ has done is
cheating and it is being unfaithful to
you. Yeah, he is telling you this which
could be considered honest, or it could be
partial honestly. When you first asked
him if he got oral at this "parlor" he
said no. Then the next time he said yes.
He thinks it is normal for a husband to
be attracted to his wife's friends?
Instead of hiaving an affair with them he
will have sexual activity with a massage
hooker? And yes, she takes money for
sexual activity she is a prostitute.
And, you can get std's from oral sex also,
so he is bringing that all home to you.
Maybe my morals, beliefs and what I demand
is different than other people's, but I
personally would kick him to the curb.
Once a cheater always a cheater. If he
can get hand jobs and blow jobs from a
prostitute than if he already hasn't
sexual intercourse will be next.
Think about yourself. Can you really
respect yourself if you stay with a man
who says this is all normal? Do you
really think that little of yourself? You
deserve a real man! One who is faithful
to you and if he is away and gets a
desire, he uses his hand, not a
prostitutes or her mouth.
This is not normal and it wont stop there,
even if it did it is still unacceptable.
I hope you don't have kids because I would
hate to have had my father hold no morals
or values. And if you do stay with him,
please don't have children. It will make
it harder for you and the kids when he
does go all the way, and bring home
diseases to you.
Please, just dig deep inside of you and
find your self and your confidence and
realize you don't deserve scum!
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PattyV
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
Posted: 03-17-05 20:32pm
Hmmm-sounds like cheating in my book,but
if your man subscribes to the bill clinton
school of fidelity,he honestly does not
think he has done anything wrong.Some
people do not feel that anything less than
full penetration is actual cheating.He may
have done more than get a hand job and is
just feeling you out.I have a very good
friend who is a massage therapist
(legitimate) and she has had offers to go
further than massage,but throws such
people out.My guess is that if they are
willing to give someone a hand job,they
will do more for the right price.My advice
would be to get a full std screening and
have a very serious talk with your hubby
about what is acceptable in your
marriage.Best of luck to you.
Patty
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BADSAL
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Sep 2004 Posts: 257 Location: PA
Posted: 03-17-05 20:41pm
So how long is he away? Why can't he
just wait til he gets back home to you.
I mean- it isn't like he will die without
it.
What would he think if you did a little
something, had a man give your oral sex
while he was away on his trips? Would he
like that?
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2ferano
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 03-18-05 14:47pm
Very good point! But, my guess he will
say, "it's different for the woman", cause
that is always their excuse! They do it
because they are men and it is "normal",
and a woman shouldn't because it isn't
right. Whatever! (by them and they, I
mean male cheaters, not men in general!)
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thomasc
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 3 Location: UK
Posted: 03-19-05 14:20pm
As a guy who loves oral and handjobs... I
wouldn't dream of ever doing it with
anyone else other than my wife. It's
cheating plain and simple.
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whiteflag
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 18
Good Change Posted: 03-19-05 20:19pm
Nice to get a guy's point of view on this.
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Naicol
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Joined: 27 Oct 2003 Posts: 26 Location: NEW YORK
a Different Point of View Posted: 03-20-05 12:22pm
Sorry to say this and this might just
start off a big one but to me most guys
95% do it and at least he is telling you
what is going on. Not that they do it all
the time but at least once. I do not
believe in once a cheater always a
cheater.
And ladies come on let's be real we have
all had our fantasies even though we are
more hesitant to act on it. The guy is
not going on dates and is not trying to
get to know these women, he seems like he
could care less. So at least give him the
benefit of the doubt that he is being
honest. I personally do not know any guy
that honest. Tell him if it really
bothers you and ask him not to do it. I
think he will just stop.
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dear7
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 12 Location: Africa
You Could Be the Cause By Denying Him His Fantasy Posted: 03-20-05 16:12pm
Everybody has said enough about your hubby
cheating.
Just know that if your husband waits to
get out of town before he feels like a
hand job, then you might want to re-think
where your marriage stand son the
scales.
Have a one on one discussion before you
think of getting mad and probably opting
out (if ever you were considering it)
sometimes, if you cant compromise with
your spouse especially on finding middle
ground between your different sexual
interests and beliefs, then your spouse is
bound to look for it elsewhere.
Much as he may say there are no emotional
ties, most extra-marital affairs start
with sex.
If you are denying him, his fantasy, and
not bothering to find a compromise, he
will find it elsewhere-be sure of that!
Have a discussion on your sexual life, the
ups and downs of it. Everybody does go
thorugh this in life. Talking about it,
helps you find problems snd possible
answers.
Dont just walk out/ or throw him out- you
may be the cause of his extra-marital
oursuits!
Good luck
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missis mf
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Mar 2005 Posts: 1
Re: Husband And Oral Sex Posted: 03-20-05 19:24pm
whiteflag
wrote:
i'm married to my husbad for
3 years now, and he has always liked me to
give him oral sex. I hate the idea but
I do it every now and then just to please
him.
why do you hate it anyway? I mean I used
to hate giving my husband oral sex during
our first years but you know I later on
liked it because I can see that he's
satisfied. :wink:
i agree with what others said that it is
cheating. Well atleast he's honest.
You and your hubby should talk about how
he feels and how you feel about the
situation. Acknowledge his honesty but
give him a warning! :!:
good luck to your relationship.
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 03-20-05 19:34pm
Love and marriage is more than sex people.
It is about honor and respect, and if it
is true that 95 % of men do cheat on their
wives at least once (which I do not
believe that stats are that high) it is
because of the women who let them. Too
many people make excuses for them and just
accept it and that is why they do it.
And as far as you not liking to give oral,
I am sure he knew that before you got
married and if it was that big of a deal
wouldn't have married you.
It is not your fault that he is "getting
it elsewhere" that was a very rude and
incorrect comment. You don't have to
fulfill fantasies that you don't agree
with. If we all followed that rule then
every couple would have threesomes,
orgies, anal sex, s&m and everything
else that was never included in a real
loving relationship.
I am not telling to leave him, and I am so
sorry that all of us girls posts don't
matter to you, because we aren't men.
Sorry that we believe you deserve love and
respect, not someone who cheats on you.
Regardless of whether or not he loves the
person he is cheating on you with or takes
her on dates it is still cheating!
It is not wonder why marriages don't last
anymore and there is so much promiscuity.
People consider all of this craziness to
me normal, and it is not.
Sure, it is only human (married or not) to
notice an attractive member of the
opposite sex, or the same sex depending on
sexuality, but it is not "human" or
"normal" or "acceptable" or "your fault
for not fulfilling fantasies" if they
desire someone else.
In my opinion, if you want to be with
someone else sexually then you obviously
do not love your partner. You may care
for them on some level, or be comfortable
having them around, but you do not love
them if you cheat! And if you allow
yourself to stay with someone who does
cheat on you then you do not have enough
respect for yourself and will never be
truly happy.
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dear7
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Mar 2005 Posts: 12 Location: Africa
Posted: 03-21-05 00:15am
Hotsafrick just so you know, I was not
being judegemntal about a situation.
I raised a sitution for consideration.
I said that she could be the cause, which
means she might not. And yes marriage is
not just about sex but its important in a
marriage of two loving people.
If you do not like something, it doesnt
mean that you should do it for the sake of
it or satisfying your spouse. It means
that you should be able to have a
discussions about your dislike of oral sex
and get your partner to understand why you
feel uncomfortable. Is it your religious
belief, background, culture, hygiene or
status in marriage.
How do you feel when you orally satisfy
your partner. Do you feel dirty or do you
feel degraded.
Next you should be able to discuss other
loving ways that you can comfortably
satisfy your partner.
Ignoring something a man likes or woman
likes in a marriage just because you do
not like it, often leads to extra-marital
pursuits. If you cant offer interest,
some many and many of them, will try to
find it elsewhere even if they respect you
and the marriage, as long as you never
find out. For some its an urge that has
to be satisfied somehow.
The fact that your spouse is telling you,
doesnt mean that he only respects you, it
means he could be silently wishing and
communicating that he wishes the woman he
loves is the one that could satisfy his
urge, give him a handjob etc.
If you do not feel keen, by talking to
him, you find more simpler ways to do it,
that satifies both of you and may lessen
the trps he makes to these massage
parlours.
Do you realise that some men withold
climaxing faster, just because they would
like to climax together with their wives
who often take longer to get aroused. Men
are more atuned to "having sex" and not
"making love" but when they are with a
woman they love, they will compromise,
find middle ground and wait to satisfy you
first or get you ready to climax with
them.
Thats middle ground!
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thomasc
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 19 Mar 2005 Posts: 3 Location: UK
Posted: 03-21-05 16:55pm
Listen - all credit to the guy for telling
you and all - but since he is obviously
not able to control himself are some of
you trying to say that when he is lying
there with a raging hard on with some
(most likely sexy woman) giving him
pleasure - he won't go all the way and
bring home a nice disease or something.
Get real people. It is not acceptable -
simple as that.
Forgive him if you must - but make sure
that this is the end of the line and it
never happens again. Then try to sort out
your relationship.
P.S. My wife hates oral too.... And it
is one of the most enjoyable things I
know. But does that give me an excuse to
go find it elsewhere. I think not!
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Tamadrummer
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 15 Oct 2004 Posts: 710 Location: Zephyrhills,Fl
Posted: 03-21-05 20:28pm
I have been married 3 times. I divorced
the other 2 women for cheating.
Cheating is the unforgiveable sin, in my
world. I provide sexual satisfaction as
often as is necessary for my wife to be
happy and do not expect her to "give it
up", if she is tired or just doesnt want
to that day.
I really feel like you need to demand that
this behavior stops, and if it is
impossible for this person to stop
allowing someone into your marriage, you
either need to leave or quietly accept.
Personally I would leave and never look
back. Regardless of the style of sex he
is participating in, "hand job, blow job,
or full on sex", he is cheating and
bringing someone into your sacred place
and so he may as well have sex with
someone else in your bedroom with you
there, there is little difference and you
deserve much more then that and I am sure
there are many people out there that would
love to have a dedicated person like you
to love them.
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
Posted: 03-21-05 20:56pm
Dear, I wasn't trying to insinuate that
you were being judgemental, so I apologize
if that is what it seemed.
We do not agree in this matter at all, and
that is fine also. It is not ok for a
man or a woman to "find it elsewhere"
because their spouse doesn't like to give
oral. If they refuse to have sex at all
just because (if it isn't a health issue,
etc.) then I can see how that would lead
to problems after a while, but if they are
giving pleasure in some way shape or form
there is no reason for their spouse to
find it elsewhere. Of course, these are
my views which differ greatly from yours.
People feel differently about different
things, and that is what makes us all
unique.
I would never marry a person who was so
petty that if I didn't give him oral sex
(or anal, threesome, orgy etc.) he would
go and cheat on me and find it acceptable.
Such people get no respect from me
whatsoever and in my opinion are very
undeserving of a loving partner. But,
once again that is my opinion.
All of the theories that it is "normal"
for a man(or woman) to cheat, that it is
their animal instinct to make babies, etc.
All to me are very silly. It seems that
so many people are out to stick up for
those who cheat instead of striving to
make this world a better and more loving
place. People who cheat do it because
they have issues, not because their
partner isn't doing anything and
everything they want in the bedroom.
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rabiddustbunnie
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 20 Mar 2004 Posts: 73 Location: PA, USA
Posted: 03-21-05 21:10pm
It's great that your husband was decent
enough to tell you the truth, but
receiving sexual pleasures from anybody
other than you is cheating in every sense
of the word. I'd ask him what he'd think
of you if you had another guy please you
when he wasn't available or in town.
Odds are he'd be furious if you had done
what he did.
A lot of women let stuff like this go too
often because for years society has told
us to believe "well, that's just the kind
of thing guys do. They're just wired
that way. They're unable to help
themselves!" maybe men are wired that
way, but that doesn't give them a valid
excuse to act on their impulses.
Especially if they're involved in a
committed relationship. Committed
relationships require mutual respect and
compassion, and cheating (whether it be
physical or emotional) shows total lack of
respect for you and for himself. You
deserve so much better.