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Q: prolife vs prochoice
asked by: SamiNSunisMa on February 19th, 2005
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Of abortion prolife and prochoice have extremists:
prochoicers *can* just be pro-abortion
prolifer *can* kill innocent pregnant mothers.
*but* no one on here is on either extreme.
The name calling, threats, etc, need to stop, or I do agree, people *need* to be banned.
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sunshine_10
replied on March 23rd, 2009
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I have been researching on the abortion topic for school and have become very interested in the subject. I am a 16 yr old teenager. I know that many people my age are getting pregnant from having "unsafe sex" I have went to discussion boards where teens have had an abortion 2 weeks before having "unsafe sex" again! with this i am discused!! In my class we debate the subject of abortion. Many girls in the room believe in Pro Choice. Because they dont want stretch marks, or dont have the money. But there are so many alternatives to this. If you are willing to have unprotected sex then u must be ready to have a kid corrert? If people dont have consequense for there actions then they will continue to make the same stupid descisions. Many couples are infertile and are looking for a child. If you are planning on having an abotion i strongly inquire you to think it threw. Are you just looking to take the eay way out? The child that you are killing could be the next president. Think of the babies little fingers and toes. Many people may disagree the they are not "alive" they are just fetuses but they have a heart and lungs and can feel and hear! They are as inoccent as they come! dont just have an abotion because it is the easiest thing to do for you. "man up" and do what is right!
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oopoopoop
replied on March 24th, 2009
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Re: Pro Life
sunshine_10 wrote:
I have been researching on the abortion topic for school and have become very interested in the subject. I am a 16 yr old teenager. I know that many people my age are getting pregnant from having "unsafe sex" I have went to discussion boards where teens have had an abortion 2 weeks before having "unsafe sex" again! with this i am discused!!


I assume you mean "disgusted". You are right, many teenagers are getting pregnant due to not using contraception correctly or at all. The problem is getting pregnant, not the abortion -- there are also plenty of teenagers who have two or three kids by the time they are 19 -- better they have abortions than babies, in my view. The issue is how to ensure they have adequate access to contraception, and also to ensure that they are using condoms. Sexually transmitted diseases are a serious issue, not just pregnancy. Many of these young girls will find that they are infertile later, due to chlamydia, etc.

sunshine_10 wrote:

In my class we debate the subject of abortion. Many girls in the room believe in Pro Choice. Because they dont want stretch marks, or dont have the money. But there are so many alternatives to this.


Being pro-choice does not necessarily mean you don't want to have children. Do not confuse pro-choice with childfree. Many people who are pro-choice have children, and many people are pro-choice without ever having to make the choice themselves. You would also be surprised at the number of girls who claim to not be pro-choice who have abortions.


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If you are willing to have unprotected sex then u must be ready to have a kid corrert? If people dont have consequense for there actions then they will continue to make the same stupid descisions.


No, not correct. In fact, being 15 years old, ignorant and stupid enough to have unprotected sex when you are drunk pretty well confirms that you are not ready to have a kid.

sunshine_10 wrote:

Many couples are infertile and are looking for a child. If you are planning on having an abotion i strongly inquire you to think it threw. Are you just looking to take the eay way out?


It is no woman's job to act as a broodmare for anyone else. There are plenty of older children, disabled children, etc. available for adoption.

Pregnancy has significant negative health consequences for a woman, and if you are planning to NOT have an abortion, I strongly suggest you look these up.

sunshine_10 wrote:

The child that you are killing could be the next president.


Much more likely to be a rapist, murderer or drug addict. Even more likely to just be another burden on the planet.

sunshine_10 wrote:

Think of the babies little fingers and toes.


90% of abortions are performed at less than 12 weeks. Interestingly, after 12 weeks, a kitten is 3 weeks old and REALLY cute. I would much rather think of cute kittens, than disgusting embryos that look like the rejects from a shellfish haul.


sunshine_10 wrote:

Many people may disagree the they are not "alive" they are just fetuses but they have a heart and lungs and can feel and hear!


The vast majority of abortions occur so early on that you would be hard-pressed to recognise the thing as a mammalian fetus. And the sensory capacity to feel and hear develops only somewhere after the 20th week. But if the capcity to feel and hear is a concern for you, I do hope you are vegan. It is rather small-minded to imagine that only humans' capacity to feel and hear is important.

sunshine_10 wrote:

They are as inoccent as they come!


Innocent. One C, two Ns. I think the ten minute old chick next to me right now is about as innocent as they come, actually. So far it hasn't even tried to peck its sisters.

sunshine_10 wrote:

dont just have an abotion because it is the easiest thing to do for you. "man up" and do what is right!


I think you need to get your nose out of other women's uteruses. You are in for a big shock when the real world thumps you one day.
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Moo
replied on March 24th, 2009
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Re: Pro Life
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If you are willing to have unprotected sex then u must be ready to have a kid corrert?

What about when you're not having unprotected sex? You know birth control fails right? So what about those of us who have that happen and aren't in a position to have a child? Should we just suck it up for none months, against our will, because some random person who I couldn't give two hoots about is unable to conceive? I don't think so.

And bing pro-choice is about more than not wanting stretch marks - if you can believe it there are pro-choicers who exist who have stretch marks (I know, I'm one of them lol)
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replied on March 24th, 2009
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Re: Pro Life
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In my class we debate the subject of abortion. Many girls in the room believe in Pro Choice. Because they dont want stretch marks, or dont have the money.
Wow and how do you live without money?? Seriously would you work at mcdonalds the rest of your life.
sunshine_10 wrote:

But there are so many alternatives to this. If you are willing to have unprotected sex then u must be ready to have a kid corrert? If people dont have consequense for there actions then they will continue to make the same stupid descisions.

What consequences, recreational sex does not equate to pregnancy, it explain a sex that is had purely for pleasure, the one you are taking about is "procreational." What do you tell a kid whos mother gave him away because she didn't want him?

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Many couples are infertile and are looking for a child. If you are planning on having an abotion i strongly inquire you to think it threw. Are you just looking to take the eay way out?
Then I highly suggest the infertile couples think their decision through and adopt an older child, maybe a Black kid or a Latino kid. I highly suggest they adopt a child with severe disabilities or maybe a crack baby, but we know they like to cherry pick the neonates, they want the "perfect white baby." God are they ever selfish.
sunshine_10 wrote:

The child that you are killing could be the next president.

It could also be the next Hitler, Sadam hussein, next moronic fool to walk this planet
sunshine_10 wrote:

Think of the babies little fingers and toes. Many people may disagree the they are not "alive" they are just fetuses but they have a heart and lungs and can feel and hear! They are as inoccent as they come! dont just have an abotion because it is the easiest thing to do for you. "man up" and do what is right!

I would like to know how they can feel and hear when 95% of abortions are done they cannot, research provided shows that they don't even have cognitive features until after 3 months(brain waves), their nervous systems doesn't start forming till after 20 weeks. If their nervous system hasn't formed they cannot feel anything, they can't hear anything until later in a pregnancy where only 1.5 % of abortions are done for mothers health/severe fetus abnormalties(past 24 weeks.)

The word man up would mean taking responsibility, taking responsibility can also mean having an abortion. Having a baby to live on food stamps and social assistance is not taking responsibility

Where are you getting an education about abortion/life???
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replied on April 3rd, 2009
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Re: Pro Life
sunshine_10 wrote:
I have been researching on the abortion topic for school and have become very interested in the subject. I am a 16 yr old teenager. I know that many people my age are getting pregnant from having "unsafe sex" I have went to discussion boards where teens have had an abortion 2 weeks before having "unsafe sex" again! with this i am discused!! In my class we debate the subject of abortion. Many girls in the room believe in Pro Choice. Because they dont want stretch marks, or dont have the money. But there are so many alternatives to this. If you are willing to have unprotected sex then u must be ready to have a kid corrert?

No, not correct.
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If people dont have consequense for there actions then they will continue to make the same stupid descisions. Many couples are infertile and are looking for a child. If you are planning on having an abotion i strongly inquire you to think it threw. Are you just looking to take the eay way out? The child that you are killing could be the next president.

Or the next Osama Bin Laden, or Hitler.
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Think of the babies little fingers and toes.

Embryos, which are what are aborted in 90% of the cases, do not have fingers and toes.
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Many people may disagree the they are not "alive" they are just fetuses but they have a heart and lungs and can feel and hear!

No, they cannot.
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They are as inoccent as they come! dont just have an abotion because it is the easiest thing to do for you. "man up" and do what is right!

I'll decide what's right for myself, thank-you.
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Phenicks
replied on April 8th, 2009
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Women who have abortions are doing the world a favor by not allowing what they reproduce to see the light of day. They choose abortions for amny different reasons mostly because they wouldn't or couldn't be a good mom/take care of the child or would resent it. Would you want these people to reproduce children? Think of the quality of life their babies would have being raised by someone who think they are disgusting vile creatures. Thats no way for anyone to live. Or in the case of health or life how it would be to know your mother died because of you or she's really sick because of you.

Many women who didn't abort have given birth to amazing people who have done amazing things, like Barack Obama's mother, MLK Jr.s' mother, Bill Clinton's mother, and so forth. Some women who couldn't abort bred things like Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Domer. And still others chose or were coerced into not aborting and gave birth to the criminals we have today.
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bell101
replied on April 10th, 2009
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''Would you want these people to reproduce children? Think of the quality of life their babies would have being raised by someone who think they are disgusting vile creatures.''

Not everyone who has an abortion thinks that thier off-spring are/were going to be 'disgusting and vile'
How dare you make such an assumption!
I had an abortion, and no part of me has ever thought that the child i was carrying was disgusting or vile. before you ask, my reason for abortion is none of your bussiness, but it is certainly not because i would have been dusgusted by my child had i not aborted it...
What a pathetic, little minded and immature view you have!!
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Phenicks
replied on April 10th, 2009
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There are names for ignorant people like yourself who ASSUME, a clear trait of the uncivilized and weak minded such as yourself. I don;t care about you, your abortion or why you chose to have it. I didn;t ask your opinion on anything so why in the world are you typing to me as if I care?

SOME people DO feel that way, obviously not all do and if YOU took the time to arm yourself with information, ie READ what I typed you would have READ that I said SOME people.. before even going there.

The sun doesn't rise and set on your behind, you are not the poster child for women who have had abortions. Get over yourself, I'm done with you.
Bye.
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bell101
replied on April 11th, 2009
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''Women who have abortions are doing the world a favor by not allowing what they reproduce to see the light of day. ''

How are you referring to 'some' women in this sentence...it clearly says women who have had abotions...not some women.


The only time you mention some women is when you say..
''Some women who couldn't abort bred things like Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Domer. And still others chose or were coerced into not aborting and gave birth to the criminals we have today.''


So perhaps if firstly YOU re-read what you wrote, you would have known better than making yourself seem truely and utterly ignorant!!

I typed to you so as to highlight the height of ignorance you show by writting such things,
Clearly,by your message above i didn't need to, you did that all by yourself!
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Phenicks
replied on April 11th, 2009
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WHere is my quote where I say that they have abortions for MANY different reasons? Where is the quote where I address women who have abortins BECAUSE they would resent their children and follow up witht hat line of thought and address how awful that would be for the children they would have had?

You can't seem to get past wanting sympathy for YOUR abortion and took my post personally because all you thought of when you read that post was YOUR abortion and why you decided to abort YOUR fetus. That isn't MY problem and unless you would ahve resented YOUR fetus my post was none of your concern in relation to YOUR abortion. Your regret for your abortion is all over your posts, get some help before posting on a site where not everyone is going to hold your hand and try to make you feel better about your choices.
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bell101
replied on April 11th, 2009
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pathetic!!!
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Phenicks
replied on April 11th, 2009
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bell101 wrote:
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pathetic!!!


Thats exactly what I think of you! Smile
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chase71
replied on April 18th, 2009
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A persons personal choice is just that, a personal choice. I personally have my own opinion. If the pregnancy could cause serious harm to the mother, the child is at serious risk, or a rape victim should be able to abort. However women who simply use abortion as a form of birth control i do not agree with. BUT just because i dont agree doesnt mean anything it is an opinion. Try something else like the pill, the shot, the patch, a condom. or at least carry to term and then decide if you really want this child or not. There are many people in this world unable to conceive that would be more then happy to adopt your child. Again its just an opinion Smile
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oopoopoop
replied on April 19th, 2009
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chase71 wrote:
or at least carry to term and then decide if you really want this child or not. There are many people in this world unable to conceive that would be more then happy to adopt your child. Again its just an opinion Smile


Abortion is a way of dealing with an unwanted pregnancy. Adoption is a way of dealing with an unwanted child.
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Tarimisu
replied on April 19th, 2009
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ABORTION IS homicide
Yeah, I'm a prolifer. So, throw me in jail.
I see abortion as senseless homicide.
I am willing to be arrested for my beliefs. I don't really care, because I know I'm right. I know that God respects life. If we don't respect life then what do we respect? Where are our morals?!
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Phenicks
replied on April 19th, 2009
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Calling all abortions senseless homicides demeans things like 9/11, the sniper shootings in the DC area and the Oklahoma city bombing. Those things could NEVER be justified but there are situations when an abortion is completely justified. There are times when a woman's life or health is in danger. A while ago a cancer stricken mother gave birth to her baby and died a year later because she couldn't get treatment while pregnant. She never really got a chance to leave the hospital to BE a mother to her newborn OR the children she had before the baby and now they are ALL without a mother. How do you explain to a child that their mother is dead because they were born?

This isn't the most common reason for abortion but it is SOMETIMES and either it makes sense to you for a mother to pretty much kill herself and abandon her children via dying a slow and very painful death as to avoid an abortion OR the fetus's life is worth more than the life of the mother AND its siblings growing up with their mom.

No matter what you think a person SHOULD do you can't force them to do it and that includes loving and being a good parent to or wanting their unborn child.
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replied on April 19th, 2009
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Re: ABORTION IS homicide
Tarimisu wrote:
Yeah, I'm a prolifer. So, throw me in jail.
I see abortion as senseless homicide.
I am willing to be arrested for my beliefs. I don't really care, because I know I'm right. I know that God respects life. If we don't respect life then what do we respect? Where are our morals?!


And your opinion should matter to someone else...why?
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replied on April 19th, 2009
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Re: ABORTION IS homicide
Tarimisu wrote:

I am willing to be arrested for my beliefs. I don't really care, because I know I'm right.


This is kind of scary. Just how far are you willing to go for your beliefs?
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replied on April 20th, 2009
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Phenicks wrote:
Women who have abortions are doing the world a favor by not allowing what they reproduce to see the light of day. They choose abortions for amny different reasons mostly because they wouldn't or couldn't be a good mom/take care of the child or would resent it.

Or maybe they didn't want to go through 9 months of hell, pain, vomiting, feeling sick, being exhausted, possibly being bedridden, and they didn't want to be subjected to the torture and agony of child birth?
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