Actualy yes I can honestly say that I could carry a child concieved in rape full term and then bring him up as what he is................My son.

Then i'm sure youre one of the rare few who could..................

Fishx - a friend of mine was sexually abused by her stepfather from the ages of 9-14, at 12 she was raped. I think it would be very different if you have actually experienced it.

Ok...What about this situation....Your little girl comes to you and says she has been raped (and sexually tormended for many years) by someone close to you, either your partner or brother etc, she's pregnant and petrified of this person. Now she has told you, she has a clean break away from her attacker but the only thing reminding her is the pregnancy that she just wants to go away....What would you do then?! Would you advise her to keep it even though you know it would emotionally scar your daughter even more for having her go through with a pregnancy?

Sorry chick I was talking about personal experience.

As for my daughter I would help her through her choice no matter what that is after all thats what my job is.

Oh..I'm sorry. I cant even imagine...Sorry.

Hey don't be sorry for me I have a lovely son out of it therefore making it one of the best things that has ever happend to me :d

Yes, fish I am sorry (even though you don't want us to be) I am glad you had your son and love him dearly. You clearly are a strong woman.

However, the fact is that not all women could/would do that. I haven't been through anything like that, but I can say that I believe I would not carry the fetus. If I was raped or a victim of incest or anything like that I would not have a baby to my attacker. Of course, like I said I haven't been in that situation so I cannot say for sure, but I can say that I am pretty darn positive that I would not carry on with pregnancy.

The thing is that abortion needs to remain legal for women in a situation like that. They have already been brutilized (sp?) beyond belief and no one should be able to then make them carry a fetus for nine months and then either raise a child that most people would resent (which isn't fair for mother or child) or give it up for adoption and then always wonder where the child is and if it is ok and if they did the right thing, etc.
It does suck that there are crack heads and herroine addicts out there who have unprotected sex over and over and over again, get pregnant and then abort. And there are women out there who either wont go on the pill because they are afraid they will get fat, or their abusive partner wont let them because they may get fat. And god forbid they use condoms because this displeases their man, or them.
It is sick how people abuse "rights" without even considering consequences, but we can't control what everyone does. We do need to let women have a choice. It is their body and their life and in cases of accidents, or rape/incest, etc. They need to be able to decide what they are going to do. They just can't have it decided for them. Anyone who says that wouldn't be taking away woman's rights cannot honestly believe it!

No i'm not saying that women shouldn't terminate or even that it should be illegal that would be just stupid and dangerous what I have always stated is that there isn't enough information on termination or enough post termination counciling available for the women who need it.

Yes I have stated that termination isn't for me but that doesn't mean it isn't needed for other women and therefore if it is something that is needed then we also need to educate people about it properly.


If my daughter ever needed a termination (god forbid) then I would be right there with her whether I agree or not and I would hope that more information on how to cope will be available for us all as a family not just for her as a woman.

There should be help for other family members who have to live with a womans choice to terminate.

We counsel ours whether it be micarriage, abortion, adoption, s.I.D.S. Even post birth or whatever else we feel is needed, including family.
Sincerely,
sandy

I agree completely. It is a darn shame that there isn't more information provided openly to people. One of the biggest problems is the people who are out there rallying and crying for the fetus and no one else. Picketing and blowing up abortion clinics and making it very difficult for the pregnant woman to get this counseling and info.
Women feel that they have to be discreet about it and are afraid to ask questions and talk to anyone about it because of the fear of being judged and picketed against. It is unfair and horrible. If people could just understand that others experience things that they haven't or can't and that they need support and help, not someone screaming obsenities at them and telling them they are going to hell. It doesn't solve anything or help anyone! If anything it makes everyone's situation worse.
But, of course, some people are just way too wrapped up in judging everyone else and fighting to get their way that they don't ever look at the whole picture or take into account what is best.

Well said women need better information not judgement

The problem here is that you can talk and talk to a lot of these girls, women boys and men and give them the free bc pills and hand out the condoms, their are too many females that will not use them, nor will the males use the condoms, their are too many females that feel that getting pregnant will not happen to them and the next thing you know, they are pregnant. Some of this education needs to be taught @ home, especially with all these cut backs on education, parents do need to start opening up and communicating with there kids. I remember my step-sister used to put b/c pills in her daughters milk in the morning, when she fouund out that my niece was messing around.
My opinion is that if it has helped a few then it has helped as something is better than nothing, eventhough I have seen a lot wasted and I realize that accidents happen, this is why I am glad that there is a choice on abortion.
Sincerely,
sandy

You are correct. However, there are those who also have never been talked to about bc options and don't have any idea who to talk to about it. If it weren't for my friends back in the day I wouldn't have known family planning existed and wouldn't have been able to go on the pill, get my annuals (i am very private about these things and would not talk to my mom about it!I still don't.)or get the education on safe sex, std's etc.
Some schools teach sex ed, but only teach the basics, you know body parts and how to make babies, etc. They don't say anything about how to prevent unwanted pregnancies, std's and infection because a lot of parents complain about it saying that they are promoting sex. The fact is that if they are going to do it, they are going to do it! May as well make it safe.
Unfortunately, the more time that goes on it all seems to be getting worse instead of better. The pressure on kids to have sex (and yes, I mean kids!) is unreal and a whole heck of a lot of kids are having sex years before sex ed.
And yeah, there are those people who just don't care and that is sad.

what about your nieces choice or is it only viable to have the choice when you or your family allow it.It is this sort of thing that makes me realize there is only one choice in your minds

Ok. I don't agree with putting bc in someone's milk, but to say that there is only one "choice in your minds" what in the heck are you talking about? Ok, so once again since we are prochoice we try to convince people to abort. Whatever.
Isn't it better that a mother would make her daughter take bc rather than make her or just have to let her have an abortion?
We have made this thread into a productive one where we are talking about pregnancy prevention, so why do you have to go and try to make it one of these petty threads?

Foreverblue, you seem very close-minded. You do not know my step-niece, my step-sister was giving her b/c that way for a reason because other-wise she would have not taken them and would have probably ended up pregnant earlier than what she did as she was always getting in trouble, she hung out with the wrong people, she wanted to get pregnant so she could be like a friend of hers and be on welfare. Well she did end up pregnant moved out, got on welfare and ended up losing her kids because she did not take care of them, this happened several times and then my step-mother ended up raising the boy and my step-sister ended up raising the girl and she still to this day has nothing to do with her kids.
Prochoice is not about convincing pregnant females to abort, we are more open-minded then that, we are for allowing them to understand what their choices are whether it be adopting, continuing on with the pregnancy or aborting the fetus. We are for choice, we are open-minded and understanding and do not judge.
Sincerely,
sandy

That is actually quite a common misconception among young (and old) women today. The desire to have a child to have someone who loves and needs them. That is not any reason at all to have a child, but that does happen a lot. Then when the baby and the responsability comes reality sets in and a lot of the time someone else does raise the baby.
So, in your sister's care, ya know, I can't say I wouldn't have done something of the sort either. I personally, would have just made my daughter go to the doc, get her tests and then take bc. I would make her take it in the morning every morning. I would be afraid to slip anyone any kind of pill because they may not drink the whole milk or they may have adverse effects and not know why, ya know? But, your sis new what would end up happening (and did!) and tried to avoid it. No harm in that.

Another point is that of unconditional "love. When the kid turns 2 and for the first time utters "no," the interest in that kid fades, and the desire instead turns to having another kid that is more "loving" rather than defiant. So the cycle continues.

and you have how many children,how many years experiance bringing children up?

Ah, the old " having and raising children made someone as expert on child care or pyschology" routine.