It depends how much you value the unborn childs life

equal to that of the mother or less than human.

but in the case of incest if you terminate you are therefore destroying evidence and leaving the woman in a situation of continuse abuse.

If you acknowledge as you do that abortion is wrong because the fetal child is just that a child or as you put it

"abortion is wrong and a baby is a baby"

then....

What can justify killing a child let alone ones own child?

to me my childs life would be worth much more than mine I have had a chance to live my life my children have yet to experience thier life.

"to me my childs life would be worth much more than mine "

thats because your a good mother, not a barbarian child killer

whatever izzy. No one here kills children.. At least I hope not.

Perhaps not, but some who advocate it, they are worse

no we have a name for people like us...Pro-cholifers!!!! Cause I to can understand abortion in an incest/rape/medical reasons....

i have always wondered about that position. Essentially, it is that the mebryo or fetus are persons and therefore shouldn't be aborted, except if it was a rape/incest situation, where suddenly, that the fetus is "a human being" doesn't matter any more.

What is the justification for that dichotemy?

I actually, whole heartedly agree with steen, its rather nonsensical to say a person is not a person because he or she was concieved of via rape or insest or because they have developed some disability (nicely put as medical reasons btw)

we wouldnt say to a born human being.


"your a result of rape I am going to have to terminate you"

"your a product of incest, you have no right to live"

"your disabled, I have every right to kill you since I look after you"

if the premise is that the unborn fetus is a human being and as such a human person, then he/she holds as much intrinsic value as a person outside the womb.


The whole pro life except for.... Is a hypocritical stand point at best that is sending out a mixed message and at worst is sheer condoning of murd....

Either unborn are people and worth the same as born people or they are not

if they are not then, abortion is not wrong in any circumstance even as a form of birth control or as one weird person said for fun

but if they are persons it is wrong in every circumstance except life threatening issues.

first off I never said I was pro-life, ya'll assumed! Me myself and I would never get an abortion now. I am a grown woman who makes my own decisions. I did make an appointment to get an aborition when I was 19 and preggers because I had done a lot of hard drugs before knowing I was pregnant, but I guess someone was watching out for me cause I miscarried the day before the appointment. Also my best friend has had 2 and I still luv her. Like i've said before I am against repeated abortions for "selfish reasons".

"i am against repeated abortions for "selfish reasons"

why?

because. I've posted my reasons before and am not gonna repost everything. Right now I am 22weeks preggers and would never abort or had any thoughts of aborting my soon to be son.

So you get to determine for others what a "selfish" reason is? How do you do that? It is selfish if you subjectively feel it is?

I wish the word selfish would be wiped of the english language. For some reason.. That word irks me the most.. You can call me anything you want but it bugs me when people call me selfish.

that's why I "" it. I am against women who have unprotected sex over and over again and keep getting knocked up and going and aborting. Is that better guys???

"selfish," like insisting on having your own child instead of adopting one that needs a family instead of a fosterhome. Oh, yup, clearly.

"i am against women who have unprotected sex over and over again and keep getting knocked up and going and aborting"

i agree with you lilblaze but I want to understand why you (not me) believe (not feel, believe) it is wrong to have unprotected sex over and over and getting a number of abortions... What makes that wrong why is it selfish?

I completely forgot I started this thread! :lol:
of course its selfish to have unprotected sex over and over again only to have an abortion is a baby is created....Thats wicked.

And while I can see you point in looking at insest and rape from the babies view....I could also see it from the mothers view....I think you are forgetting 'mum'!
I mean imagine this....Your daddy is important to you, he's the man you look up to....But what if...Horrible as it is to say....He raped you, not only would the fact that he raped you completely screw your head up, but what if you actually fell pregnant from him? Could you go through nine months of carrying the baby?! I know I couldnt....... But seriously guys...Cum'on...Think about it....Could you honestly do that?

I do believe that 'accidents' happen, but I dont believe they happen as often as statistics say they do. Its so easy now what with all the contraceptive methods available not to get pregnant. But I would probably say (with some confidence!) that a majority of abortions that take place now are because people have been careless.