No offense brianbaby but pro choice will probably give you loads for that one i've seen it done lol. .

Don't worry I know....I just thought it was interesting and wanted to share it with other people. I really didn't know where, so I figured the safest place was the abortion debate forum.....I really don't want to debate about it, I just wanted to share it with people...

Lol bet it ends up being debated?

Oh, ya it will!! :)

and since prochoice is not about recommending anything but rather for the woman to make her own decision, the prochoice position is still that it should be up to beethooven's mom whether she aborts or not. She does not have a duty to anybody to give birth to him, neither can society impose their will to force her to give birth.

And how about the woman married to a drunken wifebeater, should she abort? If you said no, you just caused hitler's birth.

See, isn't this fun? We can play such wnat-if games all day long

Double post

oh wait, I thought it wasn't about "reccomending" what a woman should do.....A little hyprocritical there.....



i think your laughing and poking fun at what other people take very seriously is very rude and unsettling....I wasn't trying to play a what if game with you steen. I don't think it's about games. Obvioulsy you disagree...I refuse to try and "debate" with someone who will simply laugh at what other people are passionate about

Brianbaby, you brought up a fact and steen brought up a fact and this is a debate forum, what do you expect, he gave his opinion, we realize that you do not like steen, you want him off of here and the pregnancy forum, yes, I saw the poll, he has said good points there, just because you do not like his opinions and statements and he is different, just like most of us here you are acting rude and unsettling, so please do not judge others when you are acting as you are.
When I do not like the way someone posts, I try to reason with the and then try to shine them on, I do not get in my little group and belittle myself more.
Sandy

I believe it is a females choice and we should not judge them and try to help them and try to put our feelings aside, even if it is just by listening to them. I have been in abusive relationships before, I understand where they are coming from.
Sincerely,
sandy

oh, wait, wasn't this just paraphrasing your original question? Duh!!!! See, I try to get down to your level, looking at whether prolife want to recommend the woman abort or not, just as you were talking about recommending beethoven's abortion.

And then, to my surprise, you know all about the difference between a choice and a recommendation or wanting somebody to abort. So every time you write about making a woman do something or recommend her doing something, you know that you are outright dishonest when you seek to reiterate or paraphrase the prochoice position!

Wow, that's quite the admission of dishonesty that you let slip there. But nah, you probably have no sense of guilt or shame. That would be unusual in prolifers, you know, being that you are absent any decency, so I wouldn't be surprised.
taking serious? The lies and deceptions in you that I just exposed? Yes, no doubt you take your lying serious. Prolifers usually do.

Now, was there anyt other fight you wanted to pick? Any other stupid dishonest tricks you wanted to pull here?

Or are you done with your tricks and actually willing to deal with the issues without the rampant prolife dishonesty you have been shown to engage in?
rightoooo! Yes, it wasn't fun, you were dead serious about your deceptions and trickery. Yes, I have no doubt about that.

Next time you want to play your dishonest tricks, please drop the "outrage" when caught. It just further underscores your dishonesty and makes any idea of serious interaction with you so much more repugnant.
ah yes. You are all about deception and dishonesty instead. Yup, sure, no surprise there.
ah, so when you are passionate about lying and deceptions, we should congratulate you on your stinking behavior? Silly me for not seeing that, gosh, what was I thinking.

yes and I gave mine.....


I don't belive the pregnancy forum has anything to do with it, but since you brought it up.....Why don't we get the facts straight...I never said anything about not wanting him "here", I specifically said the pregnancy forum...Please don't mis represent my words.....

your opinion. this is totoally irrelevant and has nothing to do with the thread I started. I respect people's opinions, but not steen belittling other people. He harrasses people and created drama. Period. So please point out to me, where I was ever "rude" and "unsettling" before this post?? I thought people were allowed to have differences of opinions??? Why can't I say what I thought about him laughing at my post?? Hmm??




congratulations??

Steen, where did I lie?

I don't know of anyone who would recommend an abortion. Unless it is the woman's physician and the pregnancy is actually killing her, but even then I doubt anyone would "recommend" it, maybe just offer it as a choice.
Many people are born under unstable unconditions. But it is ultimately the woman's choice as to whether she wants to risk her own life or not.

i agree....Maybe the word "reccomend could be changed to "suggest" or something....

how about "allow"?

"allow".....I don't know....I guess if you think that that word would work better there it could, but i'm not really sure..

Really easy. She is allowed to have an abortion, but we never recommed or say that she should. Its is her choice, we just make sure she has all choices available.