compensation for pregnancy
get real steen,since when have women got
compensation for having a
baby.
hmm, that was your claim,
wasn't it? That men were already
compensating women for being pregnant,
that men already had to "buy" babies.
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i am getting sick
of your stupid anologys someone giving
birth because thier partner wants them to
is part of life
steen,
yes, as long as she
consents to it and are not forced to do so
against her will.
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it is not putting
women in chains and making them
slaves.
it is if it directly is
against her will, and you prevent her from
getting an abortion. Then you have
indeed taken over full control of her body
and made her your slave.
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being paid for
sex is prostitution,giving birth is not
enslavement,no matter what you would like
the world to believe steen.
if you are being forced
to go through a pregnancy against your
will, and you are stopped from obtaining
an available medical proc edure that could
otherwise have stopped the pregnancy, then
you were indeed enslaved. Somebody else
took control over your body and told you
what you can and can not do with it.
That's slavery.
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you are saying if
I have paid for that child{~which most men
do anyway}
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which has nothing
to do with the fetuses being
aborted
yes it does steen as she
said if you pay her then she won't abort
so yes it does mean the
fetus.
but a fetus is not a
child, so no that point is irrelevant.
[quote]b. Commit an illegal offence
{in england it is illegal to sell a child
or be paid for surrogacy}
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hmm, a momewnt
ago, you said that most men already do
this. So the law is already being
broken, right? Or did you perhaps
misspeak a wee touch when you made your
claim up above?
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no steen and stop
trying to twist what I have put it will
not work,when a couple have a baby who
pays for that child,just the woman,no the
man.
ah, she was just lying on
the couch eating bon-bons and watching
soaps, right? Barely noticed that she
was pregnant at all, right? She pays
dearly in bodily resources, strains and
risks. That aside, your idea of women
not working and paying their own way is
rather antiquated.
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we pay for all
the bits that are
needed
no you don't.
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also if a man
pays then he has control of the womans
body
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hmm, so you *are*
saying that if a man has something to say
in her pregnancy, then he is having
control over the woman's body. Wasn't
that the point that prolifers were
denying? Well, I am glad you at least
have noted that this is what the control
over abortion is all about. So now we
can count on you to correct the other
prolifers when they deny this,
right?
i think you need to go
back and see who was saying that if a man
pays then he has a say,that was
sandyallen.I have never said
that
hmm, it was your post I
replied to. I will go back and re-read
it to see if I somehow missed who said
what.
definition of the word child
child ( p ) pronunciation key (chld)
n. Pl. Chil·dren (chldrn)
a person between birth and puberty.
An unborn infant; a fetus.
An infant; a baby.
One who is childish or immature.
A son or daughter; an offspring.
A member of a tribe; descendant: children
of abraham.
An individual regarded as strongly
affected by another or by a specified
time, place, or circumstance: a child of
nature; a child of the sixties.
A product or result of something
specified: “times square is a child of the
20th century” (richard f. Shepard).
Idiom:
with child
pregnant.
So a fetus is a child.
This is from medline
main entry: child
pronunciation: ch()ld
function: noun
inflected form(s): plural chil·dren
/chil-drn, -drn/
1 : an unborn or recently born person
2 : a young person especially between
infancy and youth
- with child : pregnant .
So who is using revisionist lingiustics
steen
i never stated that we pay the woman we
pay for the child,no where is it mentioned
paying the woman for getting pregnant.You
stated that to give birth is to be made a
slave,or was that a mistake steen
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 02-10-05 10:47am
foreverblue
wrote:
definition of the word
child
.......
So a fetus is a
child.
try a source from before
the revisionist linguistics of
prolifers.
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this is from
medline......
which we already have
determined is just the m-w dictionary and
thus not a scientific reference at all.
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so who is using
revisionist lingiustics
steen
prolifers.
Quote:
i never stated
that we pay the woman we pay for the
child,
ok, my mistake.
Sorry.
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you stated that
to give birth is to be made a slave,or was
that a mistake
steen
that's a
misrepresentation. I am saying that to
be forced to give birth against your will
is to be made a slave.
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 02-10-05 10:57am
Quote:
you stated that to give birth is to be
made a slave,or was that a mistake steen
that's a misrepresentation. I am saying
that to be forced to give birth against
your will is to be made a slave. [quote]
i never stated that any woman should be
forced to give birth,i have said that it
takes two to get pregnant,two to raise the
child[where it is born into a
relationship]so how come it only takes one
to remove it.I have also stated that the
father should have some input into it,how
else can we prove that we can look after
the child and give them a choice of either
giving birth or abortion,is that not what
you want,choice.
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 02-10-05 15:31pm
Okay.. So I guess any man who wants a
women to go through pregnancy for them
would be ok if the women just made all of
his decisions for him regareding his
body.. Like you would be fine if she
decided that you should get cosmetic
surgery done becuase it would really make
her happy no matter how bad you felt after
the surgery.. You'd be fine with that
right?
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 02-10-05 15:52pm
foreverblue
wrote:
i never stated that any
woman should be forced to give birth,i
have said that it takes two to get
pregnant,two to raise the child[where it
is born into a relationship]so how come it
only takes one to remove it.I have also
stated that the father should have some
input into it,how else can we prove that
we can look after the child and give them
a choice of either giving birth or
abortion,is that not what you
want,choice.
so how does he actually
have a say, then? If he has an input
other than giving his recommendation
(which he can already do), he will end up
having some form of control over whether
she aborts or not, f.Ex. And that is to
be able tp force her to give birth against
her will.
Or are you talking about just giving him
lipservice without a say?
