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foreverblue
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Posted: 02-09-05 16:41pm
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| steen
wrote: | | lol. I think it was when
blue reported not wanting to start an
argument :d that was all it
took |
i did'nt want an
argument,ill keep schtumm next time lol
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
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Posted: 02-09-05 16:49pm
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| foreverblue
wrote: | | steen
wrote: | | lol. I think it was when
blue reported not wanting to start an
argument :d that was all it
took |
i did'nt want an
argument,ill keep schtumm next time
lol |
heh, the more one profess
to want serious discussion, the less
serious it gets. The less one professes
to want peace and quiet, the more
contentious postings.
Rather paradoxical. :d
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foreverblue
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Posted: 02-09-05 16:51pm
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| steen
wrote: | | foreverblue
wrote: | | steen
wrote: | | lol. I think it was
when blue reported not wanting to start an
argument :d that was all it
took |
i did'nt want an
argument,ill keep schtumm next time
lol |
heh, the more one profess
to want serious discussion, the less
serious it gets. The less one professes
to want peace and quiet, the more
contentious postings.
Rather paradoxical.
:d |
do you reckon reverse psychology will
work,if I ask for arguments and insults
what you think,will it work lol
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2ferano
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Posted: 02-09-05 18:55pm
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It was probably my fault that this turned
into argument, but the question was asked
and I answered.
I see both sides here, but stand by men
and women incapable of pregnancy should
have right to say whether or not another
aborts. So let's say a girl gets
pregnant and the man "wants" the baby.
Yeah, so then she carries the fetus full
term that she doesn't want and then after
the baby is born, he runs. Happens all of
the time. Or if it were possible for him
to make her have the baby (not allow
abortion) he could use that to control her
even more.
Yeah, it sucks that a decent man who
really just wants the pregnant woman to
carry the fetus full term and he will then
take the baby gets screwed, but the fact
of the matter is there are too many
psychos out there to make it have to be a
mutual decision.
And I stick by my point that a man cannot
get pregnant and therefore shouldn't be
able to say that a woman shouldn't be able
to abort, because he can never be stuck in
the situation that she is.
Yeah, it takes sperm to cause a pregnancy,
but that doesn't mean that a man has
anything else to do with pregnancy. This
has been proven over the years with the
"fathers" who leave before or after the
baby is born, rape, molest and beat their
children, lie, cheat, etc. Yeah, women
do these things too, but they are the ones
who have to carry the fetus and risk
sickness or even death to bring a child
into the world that they don't want/can't
care for.
If men were allowed to have a say in the
matter of abortion there would be even
more domestic violence and child abuse.
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FISHX
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Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
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Posted: 02-10-05 05:53am
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[quote="
if men were allowed to have a say in the
matter of abortion there would be even
more domestic violence and child
abuse.[/quote]
can I see your reasoning behind this
comment please?
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Justin_Toronto
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Posted: 02-10-05 06:03am
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I'm not going to get involved in the
arguement here... But in case my name was
confusing.. Um, i'm a guy. (who woulda
thought?) :?
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Justin_Toronto
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Posted: 02-10-05 06:03am
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I'm not going to get involved in the
arguement here... But in case my name was
confusing.. Um, i'm a guy. (who woulda
thought?) :?
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FISHX
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Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
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Posted: 02-10-05 06:08am
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Welcome to the mad house.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 02-10-05 06:08am
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| justin_toronto
wrote: | | i'm not going to get
involved in the arguement here... But in
case my name was confusing.. Um, i'm a
guy. (who woulda thought?)
:? |
hi and welcome we need more men lol
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
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Posted: 02-10-05 09:44am
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| foreverblue
wrote: | | justin_toronto
wrote: | | i'm not going to get
involved in the arguement here... But
in case my name was confusing.. Um, i'm
a guy. (who woulda thought?)
:? |
hi and welcome we need
more men lol |
heh, I am pleased that
you are glad I am here ;-)
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
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Posted: 02-10-05 18:31pm
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Fishx, my reasoning behind that statement
is in my post. Did you not read the
whole thing? Controlling/abusive men if
they were able to make a woman's choice
for her could use the pregnancy and future
child to control her even more. Then,
when the child was in existence they would
use the child for the same things. That
is the general of it.
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-11-05 07:23am
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| hotasfrick
wrote: | | fishx, my reasoning behind
that statement is in my post. Did you
not read the whole thing?
Controlling/abusive men if they were able
to make a woman's choice for her could use
the pregnancy and future child to control
her even more. Then, when the child was
in existence they would use the child for
the same things. That is the general of
it. |
yes I read your post but I still think
that it a unfair assumption that if men
had a say in what happend to thier
potential child they would then abuse
thier partener or desert there child.
Domestic violence happens to be rife in
aruond 46% of homes be them pro life or
pro choice.
Now maybe this is not what you were
infering but this is how it reads.
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mom2trevor
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Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
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Posted: 02-12-05 01:40am
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I don't understand why everyone has such a
negative view of men! All of the men in
my life have been wonderful outstanding
people....My dad, grandpa, uncles, fiance,
my brother....And I don't think men get
enough credit....I'm sure there are some
losers out there but the same goes for
women....So why all the negativity towards
men?
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
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Posted: 02-13-05 06:25am
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Well I can't honestly say that all the men
in my life have been excellent examples of
men but the only one who counts is honest
loving and considerate and he just happens
to be my husband and my childrens father
so you see there are good in every species
it our job to find them.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 02-13-05 15:28pm
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I have had bad experiences in my life
w/men but I have a good one now, you gotta
go thru hell to make it into heaven. I
know alot of single fathers that are
raising their children on their own.
Sincerely,
sandy
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2ferano
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Joined: 23 Dec 2003 Posts: 3717
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Posted: 02-23-05 01:31am
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I am not a man hater nor do I think all
men are evil. Yes, most people, male and
female are horrible in one way or another,
I understand that.
But, what you also have to understand is
if abortion had to be agreed upon between
the man and the woman then yes, there
would be much, much more abuse.
Because, men who aren't abusive and
controlling are going to respect the
wishes of the woman who is pregnant.
Sure, they may not like it, but they
understand that they aren't the ones who
has to carry the fetus for nine months,
and deal with all that comes along with
that.
And, in the case where the respectable man
really does want the child and isn't
willing to "let" the woman abort, if the
man really is worthy of taking care of
this child by himself, then the woman
would most likely say alright and have the
baby. Then, yes, there are instances
where the man probably would be a
wonderful father and would take care of
the baby, but the woman chooses to abort
anyway. Life isn't perfect or fair.
However, as I said, majority rules, and
majority would be men making the woman
have the baby so that they have more
control over her.
And, ultimately, the man isn't the one who
has to endure carrying the fetus, stretch
marks, hemmoroids, or all of the serious
health risks involved in pregnancy.
No, it may not be fair, but it is way more
fair then a man being able to tell me (or
any other woman) what she will do with her
body.
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