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foreverblue

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Posted: 02-09-05 16:41pm

steen wrote:
lol. I think it was when blue reported not wanting to start an argument :d that was all it took
i did'nt want an argument,ill keep schtumm next time lol
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Posted: 02-09-05 16:49pm

foreverblue wrote:
steen wrote:
lol. I think it was when blue reported not wanting to start an argument :d that was all it took
i did'nt want an argument,ill keep schtumm next time lol
heh, the more one profess to want serious discussion, the less serious it gets. The less one professes to want peace and quiet, the more contentious postings.

Rather paradoxical. :d
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Posted: 02-09-05 16:51pm

steen wrote:
foreverblue wrote:
steen wrote:
lol. I think it was when blue reported not wanting to start an argument :d that was all it took
i did'nt want an argument,ill keep schtumm next time lol
heh, the more one profess to want serious discussion, the less serious it gets. The less one professes to want peace and quiet, the more contentious postings.


Rather paradoxical. :d



do you reckon reverse psychology will work,if I ask for arguments and insults what you think,will it work lol
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2ferano

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Posted: 02-09-05 18:55pm

It was probably my fault that this turned into argument, but the question was asked and I answered.

I see both sides here, but stand by men and women incapable of pregnancy should have right to say whether or not another aborts. So let's say a girl gets pregnant and the man "wants" the baby. Yeah, so then she carries the fetus full term that she doesn't want and then after the baby is born, he runs. Happens all of the time. Or if it were possible for him to make her have the baby (not allow abortion) he could use that to control her even more.
Yeah, it sucks that a decent man who really just wants the pregnant woman to carry the fetus full term and he will then take the baby gets screwed, but the fact of the matter is there are too many psychos out there to make it have to be a mutual decision.
And I stick by my point that a man cannot get pregnant and therefore shouldn't be able to say that a woman shouldn't be able to abort, because he can never be stuck in the situation that she is.
Yeah, it takes sperm to cause a pregnancy, but that doesn't mean that a man has anything else to do with pregnancy. This has been proven over the years with the "fathers" who leave before or after the baby is born, rape, molest and beat their children, lie, cheat, etc. Yeah, women do these things too, but they are the ones who have to carry the fetus and risk sickness or even death to bring a child into the world that they don't want/can't care for.
If men were allowed to have a say in the matter of abortion there would be even more domestic violence and child abuse.
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Posted: 02-10-05 05:53am

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if men were allowed to have a say in the matter of abortion there would be even more domestic violence and child abuse.[/quote]



can I see your reasoning behind this comment please?
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Posted: 02-10-05 06:03am

I'm not going to get involved in the arguement here... But in case my name was confusing.. Um, i'm a guy. (who woulda thought?) :?
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Posted: 02-10-05 06:03am

I'm not going to get involved in the arguement here... But in case my name was confusing.. Um, i'm a guy. (who woulda thought?) :?
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FISHX

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Posted: 02-10-05 06:08am

Welcome to the mad house.
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foreverblue

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Posted: 02-10-05 06:08am

justin_toronto wrote:
i'm not going to get involved in the arguement here... But in case my name was confusing.. Um, i'm a guy. (who woulda thought?) :?



hi and welcome we need more men lol
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steen

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Posted: 02-10-05 09:44am

foreverblue wrote:
justin_toronto wrote:
i'm not going to get involved in the arguement here... But in case my name was confusing.. Um, i'm a guy. (who woulda thought?) :?
hi and welcome we need more men lol
heh, I am pleased that you are glad I am here ;-)
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Posted: 02-10-05 18:31pm

Fishx, my reasoning behind that statement is in my post. Did you not read the whole thing? Controlling/abusive men if they were able to make a woman's choice for her could use the pregnancy and future child to control her even more. Then, when the child was in existence they would use the child for the same things. That is the general of it.
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FISHX

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Posted: 02-11-05 07:23am

hotasfrick wrote:
fishx, my reasoning behind that statement is in my post. Did you not read the whole thing? Controlling/abusive men if they were able to make a woman's choice for her could use the pregnancy and future child to control her even more. Then, when the child was in existence they would use the child for the same things. That is the general of it.



yes I read your post but I still think that it a unfair assumption that if men had a say in what happend to thier potential child they would then abuse thier partener or desert there child.

Domestic violence happens to be rife in aruond 46% of homes be them pro life or pro choice.
Now maybe this is not what you were infering but this is how it reads.
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mom2trevor

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Posted: 02-12-05 01:40am

I don't understand why everyone has such a negative view of men! All of the men in my life have been wonderful outstanding people....My dad, grandpa, uncles, fiance, my brother....And I don't think men get enough credit....I'm sure there are some losers out there but the same goes for women....So why all the negativity towards men?
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FISHX

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Posted: 02-13-05 06:25am

Well I can't honestly say that all the men in my life have been excellent examples of men but the only one who counts is honest loving and considerate and he just happens to be my husband and my childrens father so you see there are good in every species it our job to find them.
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Posted: 02-13-05 15:28pm

I have had bad experiences in my life w/men but I have a good one now, you gotta go thru hell to make it into heaven. I know alot of single fathers that are raising their children on their own.
Sincerely,
sandy
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2ferano

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Posted: 02-23-05 01:31am

I am not a man hater nor do I think all men are evil. Yes, most people, male and female are horrible in one way or another, I understand that.
But, what you also have to understand is if abortion had to be agreed upon between the man and the woman then yes, there would be much, much more abuse.
Because, men who aren't abusive and controlling are going to respect the wishes of the woman who is pregnant. Sure, they may not like it, but they understand that they aren't the ones who has to carry the fetus for nine months, and deal with all that comes along with that.
And, in the case where the respectable man really does want the child and isn't willing to "let" the woman abort, if the man really is worthy of taking care of this child by himself, then the woman would most likely say alright and have the baby. Then, yes, there are instances where the man probably would be a wonderful father and would take care of the baby, but the woman chooses to abort anyway. Life isn't perfect or fair.
However, as I said, majority rules, and majority would be men making the woman have the baby so that they have more control over her.
And, ultimately, the man isn't the one who has to endure carrying the fetus, stretch marks, hemmoroids, or all of the serious health risks involved in pregnancy.
No, it may not be fair, but it is way more fair then a man being able to tell me (or any other woman) what she will do with her body.
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