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foreverblue

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Education Posted: 01-31-05 04:37am


I would like to hear peoples opinions on something. Can this war be solved through education,or should I say better education,whether it be about birth control or even educate people about the reasons for terminations,we might get a better informed generation of people who will be able to sort it out factually and not just emotionally.They do not teach people about terminations and the reasons behind,maybe if they did things might be better all round with less emotions involved and more fact,might that not also cut down on the violence.Teach them better about birth control and there might be less need for terminations.We should be fighting for better birth control with less chances of failure.Instead of trying to tear each others arguments to pieces

mom2trevor

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Posted: 01-31-05 11:24am


I have to agree that better education is definatly needed! Most birth control failures are due usuage errors not the product itself...Birth control is a great thing but useless if you don't know how to use it properly.

Kourtney08

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Posted: 01-31-05 21:49pm


Great. <<<most birth control failures are due usuage errors not the product itself...>>> well, I know a woman who got pregnant 3 times while on the shot, and twice with bc pills. I can see it being her fault because she didn't take the pills right, but the shot? The nurse does that and its once every 3 months, so I don't see that being the womans fault.

steen

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Re: Education
Posted: 01-31-05 23:26pm

foreverblue wrote:

i would like to hear peoples opinions on something.

Can this war be solved through education,or should I say better education,whether it be about birth control or even educate people about the reasons for terminations,we might get a better informed generation of people who will be able to sort it out factually and not just emotionally.They do not teach people about terminations and the reasons behind,maybe if they did things might be better all round with less emotions involved and more fact,might that not also cut down on the violence.Teach them better about birth control and there might be less need for terminations.We should be fighting for better birth control with less chances of failure.Instead of trying to tear each others arguments to pieces

that has been tried. Of the more than 6 mill people serviced by pp in (i think) 2002, only about 15-20% received abottions. Most were receiving pregnancy tests, contraceptioves or low-cost basic pap smears and similar.

But when the catholic bishop of south dakota discovered that there was a link on the state teen info website that provided a link to pp's education on contraception, he asked to governor to immediately shut it down. As long as the catholic church (and far-rightwingers like eagle forum/phyllis schl;afley) have the ear of the government, any such goal of better and cheaper contraception will be shut down.

Likewise, if we made it more attractive for young women to actually carry to term, we would see fewer abortions. That would mean more support for these women, which is a red flag to conservatives who see them rather as welfare leeches. Fine to stop them from abortions, but afterwards, they should be ashamed of having gotten pregnant to begin with and thus trying to cheat the conservatives off their hard-earned money. S the conservative selfishness contradicta that as well.

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Posted: 01-31-05 23:29pm

mom2trevor wrote:

i have to agree that better education is definatly needed! Most birth control failures are due usuage errors not the product itself...Birth control is a great thing but useless if you don't know how to use it properly.

but instead, we have silly and iffective "abstinence-only" sex-ed, which other than having been proven to not work, also have been proven to outright lie,as it really is not sex-ed, but rather is teaching of religious dogma. When religion intrudes in science, the best we can hoep for is the inquisition.

mom2trevor

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Posted: 01-31-05 23:32pm

kourtney08 wrote:

great.

<<<most birth control failures are due usuage errors not the product itself...>>>

well, I know a woman who got pregnant 3 times while on the shot, and twice with bc pills. I can see it being her fault because she didn't take the pills right, but the shot? The nurse does that and its once every 3 months, so I don't see that being the womans fault.

if you will note kourtney...I didn't say *all*...I said *most*

Kourtney08

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Posted: 01-31-05 23:36pm


Please note I wasn't saying you were wrong. Please note that I said "i can see how it would be the womans fault if she didn't take the pill right." please read my posts thouroughly before you respond.

steen

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Posted: 01-31-05 23:38pm


A lot of abortions are due to contraceptive failures of one form or another. The last data available (a study quoted in the 1997 cdc annual abortion survey) showed 58% of those who sought abortions having used contraception. Yes, many were failure of use, but there is a failure of the contraceptive as well.

mom2trevor

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Posted: 01-31-05 23:42pm


Around here access to birth control is pretty available...Our local health dept. Bases their fees on income....And it ends up being free for most people because your income has to be rather large in order to not qualify for help. My best friend goes there and she pays $15 for a 13 month supply of b/c pills....I think they are free for people ages 12-18 but i'm not exactly sure of the ages.... I just wish this were a reality for many other places....

Kourtney08

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Posted: 02-01-05 00:40am


Im sure it is a reality to a lot of girls, and im sure a lot of girls have taken precautions. Im sure a lot of girls haven't also, but im sure they know about it. The fact is contraceptive fails, and if a 13 year old is having sex while on bc and gets pregnant and she knows her body can't handle having a baby she should have the option to have an abortion.

foreverblue

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Posted: 02-01-05 08:11am


Steen I am glad I am english[no offence to anyone]but from what you say there really is not much in the way of help for these women from the goverment.As I have stated elsewhere I do not believe religion has a place here because of the different religions all putting thier own interpretation on to the bible.Roman catholics are one such religion,you cannot use b c but you cannot have an abortion,nowhere in the bible does it say no contraception is allowed,they have put thier own interpretation on to the bible.We should strive to change peoples idea of termination and stop religion interfering with peoples lives[free will and all that}i believe that abortion should be an option and I think we do need to re-educate the populus regarding abortion

FISHX

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Posted: 02-01-05 10:44am


Yeah what jlee said :wink:

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Posted: 02-01-05 11:47am


I got preggers on the pill twice (2 diff kinds of pill too) I miscarried both times. I wonder if people could go on the pill and the shot????? Hmmmmmmmmmm.......

steen

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Posted: 02-01-05 12:24pm

foreverblue wrote:

steen I am glad I am english[no offence to anyone]but from what you say there really is not much in the way of help for these women from the goverment.As I have stated elsewhere I do not believe religion has a place here because of the different religions all putting thier own interpretation on to the bible.Roman catholics are one such religion,you cannot use b c but you cannot have an abortion,nowhere in the bible does it say no contraception is allowed,they have put thier own interpretation on to the bible.We should strive to change peoples idea of termination and stop religion interfering with peoples lives[free will and all that}i believe that abortion should be an option and I think we do need to re-educate the populus regarding abortion

you know, I actually agree with you. I am loath to say so, because now you are going to get it from the rest of the prolifers.

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Posted: 02-01-05 12:27pm

jlee77 wrote:

i agree that education is the root of where this controversial subject begins. People these days just are not educated enough and we need to teach them.

no, truthful people who teach facts need to teach them. You have no place there, so your "we" is rather ridiculous.

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and I think that contraceptive should be offered for **free** to teens. While I agree that most are not mature enough to be having sex...They are not going to refrain just because they should. So why not have it available.

you know, I actually agree with you.

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abortion should not be a means of b.C either! B.C comes before the pregnancy and clearly abortions do not.

actually, birth control comes before *birth.* so abortion is a form of birthcontrol, where the others fail.

FISHX

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Posted: 02-01-05 12:27pm

steen wrote:

foreverblue wrote:

you know, I actually agree with you. I am loath to say so, because now you are going to get it from the rest of the prolifers.

not from me he is,nt I agree we need to be better educated about termination and bc.

steen

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Posted: 02-01-05 12:28pm


Could it be? Are we actually all ending up with a meeting of the minds?

FISHX

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Posted: 02-01-05 12:29pm


Lol possibly

steen

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Posted: 02-01-05 14:23pm

jlee77 wrote:

"no, truthful people who teach facts need to teach them. You have no place there, so your "we" is rather ridiculous."

.....How obnoxious and instigating this was. Was it necessary and did it further your abortion argument? Absolutely not. The we was a generalization and I could teach contraceptive just as much as the next. Thanks.

well, you have shown yourself untrustworthy. You have shown yourself a habitual liar. As uch, no I am not sure you can teach anything as much as the next person.

steen

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Posted: 02-01-05 14:37pm


Jlee, your lies are documented.