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Q: Children With Adhd And Odd
asked by: hawn36 on October 30th, 2003
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I'm looking for anyone who has experience with a child who has attention deficit and oppositional defiant disorder. We have a 6 year old that is now on ritilan to help him concentrate in school. When he comes home he is not on anything and boy can you tell! He is totally unbearable. Hes disrespectful, nasty, distructive and bossy. Time outs do not work as he kicks the wall, or just gets up. I refuse to treat him with medication until he goes to bed (aside from the fact that its not healthy for him) he only borderline listens to my husband and thats only because my husbands voice is very loud. Mine is nowhere near that. My son picks the weakest link in the house (me) and when my husband is out, proceeds to make my life intolerable. We also have a 13 year old son that my 6 year old torments constantly. My 13 year old spends most of his time in his room just so there is no confrontation between him and the 6 year old. (the 13 years olds choice, not mine!) i've tried talking to him (that works for 30 seconds), redirecting him when he is doing things wrong, rewarding him when he does the right things, but nothing is working. We've been to psychologists, psychiatrists, his regular doctor, you name it. I would welcome any advise.
thank you!!!

Hawn
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dorothy
replied on November 16th, 2003
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Adhd
How was your son diagnosed mine has had all the symptoms since he was seven and nobody takes any notice he is now fourteen
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hawn36
replied on November 17th, 2003
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Adhd
Hi dorothy,

my son was diagnosed thru all the doctors he had to see. When he was in day care the workers there told us we needed to put him on medication because they couldnt control him (he was 2 at the time) we refused so they "kicked him out" - then we put him in another daycare that supposidly could handle children with adhd and my sons other disorders. He lasted there 2 months and they kicked him out of that one too. It just seems that as time goes on, he is getting worse. Our home is very strict so its not like he always had the rule of the roost, however when you put him in time out for purposely taking a crayon and coloring all over this table and he keeps kicking the wall or getting up and saying things like "i dont have to sit there" then when I walk toward him he laughs in my face and starts calling me names like "ma ma - ramma" - its very frustrating. I told myself I would never say "wait until your father gets home" but sometimes I do say it and it works (for about 2 minutes) very frustrating!!!! Finding a babysitter for him if my husband and I ever want to go out is next to impossible. Nobody wants to watch him, and I dont blame them. We really are at our wits end.
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Kat7
replied on November 17th, 2003
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It Could Be More Than Adhd
I can really empathize with your situation. My son was diagnosed with adhd also. The ritalin helped some, but as he has gotten older he has become more violent.

Recently he was diagnosed with bipolar disorder. Evidently, it is often misdiagnosed as adhd especially in kids. Also I learned that kids and teens can have both adhd and bipolar disorder at the same time...

If your child has explosive rages, it may be more than just adhd. Or he may respond well to one of the all-day forms of ritalin. Good luck!
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dorothy
replied on November 17th, 2003
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Thank you for your replies I feel as if someone else understands as no one has ever diagnosed him they just give him tablets for his behavior when he was younger but now he takes nothing. His explosive moods are terrible, does very immature things and refuses to even see a phsycoligist as he says nobody was interested before. He has been excluded twice already this year just for disruption, defiance and attention seeking.
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dorothy
replied on November 17th, 2003
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Hawn36

i was glad to hear from you, in our house it is a complete reversal, I have a six year old who can behave better than my fourteen year old. The oldest one is the one I have the problem with but I am the one who he will take more notice off as he just answers his dad back so his dad has to take time out or it just will go on and on. But once I shout at him he will try to twist round his little finger until he finds out it does not work and then I manage to calm him down. After he has calmed down he does even realize what all the fuss was about and thinks every thing is normal. He does not realize all the fuss he has caused and thinks he should get no punishment.
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hawn36
replied on November 18th, 2003
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Hi kat7 and dorothy,

its always nice to hear from someone who also has the same problems that you have. All my friends have very well behaved children and alot of times you feel alone in your situation as your friends just dont understand.


Our 6 year old was tested for bipolar and I am happy to say he does not have it - however, he does have other disorders - on top of his adhd he also has odd (oppositional defiant disorder) which explains his terrible tantrums rad (reactive attachment disorder) and sid (sensitory integration disorder) all are mild, but all combined is like a nightmare.


Dorothy - even tho your 14 year old doesnt want to go to a specialist to diagonose what is really wrong with him, you should force him to go. (i know easier said than done) once they know, they can treat him with what he needs. I am not a pusher of any kind of medication for behavioral needs, however, sometimes that seems like the only answer. Our little guy was kicked out of two daycares and once he started his 1st grade, he was so off the wall that he was uncontrollable, wasnt learning, wasnt retaining anything he was told and was tormenting the other kids so bad that he had no friends - we tried medication only as a last resort and it has improved his school life tremendously. Its nice to hear that he is learning about dinasours instead of being sent out in the hallway for half the day and learning nothing. You can email me privately anytime you need to talk. Good luck!
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annaurby
replied on December 21st, 2004
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Odd
I think my grandson is add or odd. Where do we begin with testing? How do know if they are reputable? He is only 6 years old, but my daughter is afraid for her 3 year old. He is loving on her one second and then hurting her in a sneaky way the next second. My daughter is at her wits end. Please help.
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JHS88
replied on May 30th, 2008
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I have ODD, ADHD, LD, Dyslexia, Depression, Anxiety etc
You may be mothers, grandmother etc. The best things for you the child in your life that has these problems is to talk to someone else that has the same problems. I was very very young when they told my mother that i have a long list of problems has now i am an adult living with it still and always well i found that talking to someone that has it help me, has now i am helping my little cuz that has the same but not all my problems, over the years we have become close, because we understand each other, talking to other person that knows someone is ok but you will never really understand because you dont live in our shoes. You dont know how it feels. My mother went to doctors etc etc they did nothing but tell her meds diet etc, i have been off med for years now, because really i dont think that meds should control my life or anyone life. Need to learn how to live in life, with the problems that you have, it is hard but then he/she can be proud that no matter what the problem is they over came it, yes they will live with it the rest of there lives but, i think that they would be happier. I am, imy mother was told i wont be able to live a normal life, because i am different, different has i might be, i am still fighting and well never give up. Stop for those who think that they know who it is they dont, NOT a doctor, teacher, friend or any one else can understand or even early know what is going on. The best thing for me was finding someone that helped me with little things to do that until today i still use. hoping for all the kids that have the same problems like me find someone that has the samething going on that can help them, understand them and feel how they do.....
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meme2
replied on July 10th, 2008
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Children With Adhd And Odd
My son was labeled as ADHD/ODD when he was in preschool at about 4 years old. I had never heard of this before that. He is a great and loving child and now 11 years old. Life is hard. He is a smart boy when it comes to computers and such but he is mouthy and is always after his younger sister and hurts her. I always have to keep my eyes open when he is near her. Sometimes they are fine together. I have to be stern with him yet my arms are always open for him with lots of hugs. Sometimes he ask for the hug and sometimes I just have to know it. So angelic when he is sleeping but boy when it is morning it is another day of craziness. Mornings are a nightmare for him and late for school ALOT. Seems like the psych. doctors just want to keep dishing out the meds and I hate that. I want help and that is hard to find. We just keep going day by day and hope for the best.
I find out that the schools only care about what is going on in school. I am always on top of what is going on with him at school and his IEP's. I want what is best for him. I have to really push him with his school work. He gets angry really quickly. His Dad doesn't have a lot of patients for him usually so I have to kind of pick up for that.
My husband and I NEVER get to have time to ourselves and go out on a "date" because of my son and no one to watch him. It is hard and stressful so we just do the best we can. My husband doesn't even like to take vacations so we don't. I try to take the kids places they haven't been when on school vacations.
I'm sure there are others that unfornately like the same kind of life that I do. I know in the when he is grown up that he will be OK and able to take care of himself as long as he keeps himself under control. That's the challenge.
They say that people who are parents to kids as these have angel wings on their backs and I'd have to think so.
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replied on February 18th, 2009
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adhd,diabetes and odd
Hi i would like to know how i could help my son as him being diabeteic 1 insulin dependent,adhd and odd it is so hard as we have been to doctors ect. ect and he is on strattera but if they give him any other medication it sends his sugar levels to high and he doesnt like to speak to anyone about it he has been to phsycoligists but has had enough .
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JoyStar
replied on February 19th, 2009
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ADD / ADHD help
Hi Folks! As I was reading your posts, I could feel your struggles and pain and decided to share. I'm not sure if this is the answer for you but you can check it out. I know of several people that are using Buried Treasure Added Attention for ADD/ADHD and are receiving wonderful results. One lady told me that even her son can tell a difference when he takes it and he no longer needs Ritalin. When the bottle nears empty, he runs to his Mommy and tells her to please order more. Added Attention is a natural liquid formula. It should be available at your local health food store or you can go to google and type in: added attention liquid vitamins and you should be able to find some stores that carry it online. I do hope this information can be of help to you as much as it has helped the family I know.
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Atlantis77
replied on March 16th, 2009
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Help - our child is lost in system
Our son is now 6 going on 7. Finally this year, he was diagnosised with ADHD. Placed on concerta. (huge dose for his age.) He was doing fine, but now it is starting all over again. He is very difiant, one day everything is great, next he needs a straight jacket! I have nowhere to turn the docters now want to send him to counseling on top of the medicine but what good is that when a 6 year old doesnt understand? I dont feel that the doctors want anything to do with our child. We go to counseling and they send us back to the docters. The school kicks him out when they get tired of his behavior. We had a hard time finding a Daycare that is willing to help for a full day. I am at a loss and I am scared that our child is becoming lost in the doctors ????? ideas of "Let's try this, Let's try that..." Please any ideas????
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qbabymonkey
replied on March 16th, 2009
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i feel u...
I understand how it feel, even thou i'm not a mom yet but i also experience family memeber who has health issue... i heard lots of great testimonial on children in this products, you all can check it out, or even consult your doctor. these has science behind, my whole family got benefit from the isotonix products as well.
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meme2
replied on March 17th, 2009
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Help - our child is lost in system
Hi Atlantis 77,
I totally understand where your coming from. When my son was in kindergarten, he was suspended a few times and I was called for problems. I finally had it out with the principal when she had called me one time and that was the last time she called me. At least for our school district, the school system is responsibility for the kids from age:3 and on. My son has been receiving resource help since preschool. He is now age:12. They will try to find the weak hole in the family to feed off of. For us it is my husband because I don't put up with any of it. I am more stern and for some reason my son doesn't try his stuff on my quite as much as he does my husband. We go through the same thing you do with the psych. sending us to couseling & telling us to do couples counseling, etc. I just kind of laugh at them. We wanted couselilng for my son. When he has a great day, I really feed off of it to him. He likes affection, hugs and such. You need to really keep up with what goes on with your son through the schools and the doctors. I finally told the psych. that my son isn't not a genny pig for testing things out on. Sure the doctor has prescribed us this med. and that med. but we do our research on the computer and check the meds. out and then decide if we will give that or not. As of now, my son is on concerta, Abilify and ritalin in the afternoon. I pick and choose the use of the ritalin for the afternoon. Some days he really needs it and some days he doesn't. These doctors don't see everything that goes on at home. I also have always kept in close with the teachers and tell them that I am a noisy parent and want to know the good and the bad that goes on, so I know to be able to praise him or not. My son is now in middle school and is finally getting his act together and is doing great in school. He does a lot of time on homework but also keeps him out of trouble at home. I'm not saying life is peaceful but when he's on the computer doing homework, it is a lot better. He still has a very mouthy mouth, writes on the walls occasionally which steams me but he is starting to FINALLY do better but still is a lot of work.
I know it is all very frustrating dealing with all this.
Good luck.
meme2
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Atlantis77
replied on March 18th, 2009
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THANK YOU!!! I'd hope you and your husband would understand. Our son has also heart conditions so alot of these meds are NOT going to get by us or his heart doctor. I just seem lost because being "newly weds" it is hard to go out without the kid.. but we are managing. First day on his new meds, ok but time will tell. He draws into everyelse's energy.. so if the environment seems angry our son is overly angry then if the environment is calm he get way to calm, even cries... The Doc wants to set up some more test, I really trully believe it is her way of saying "I do not know what this is so we will try everything." just another way to bust our pocket for $$$. My husband and I have VERY strict rules and they will be followed-same with the new daycare.(which he is doing wonderful in now) so why is the school having so many problems? We have had close contact with everyone involved, to the point I keep a journal to keep the psyh. up to date, because we have caught the school in some lies.
Does it seem if your son is growing out of the angry stage or does he control his feelings better now since he is older?
I understand God will only give us what he knows we can handle, but some days I just don't know what he is thinking or planning for us and our child... Thank you so much for your reply.
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BAMOMMA09
replied on March 29th, 2009
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IM AT LOST
My 15 yr son has adhd sice he was 6 he on statetra nown been to counciling a couple of times that didnt do no good he been suspended multiple time it like he dont go to school its that bad nown he at the point he want take his meds no more he has a iep and he just got that jan 20 09 but still want go to class or get suspended he is on probation nown it is very hard to raise a child like this but i do the best i can and pray to god that when he get to be a adult he will learn to help himself.
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rave7278
replied on September 27th, 2009
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My son is ADHD/Autistic., He has his meltdowns and his temper tantrums at times. He is medicated he is on extended release generic version of Ritalin. He helps him focus in school, but the downfall is he seems so doped up and that part worries me. If there is an alternative to this, I would like to try it. There are times where it gets hard to handle him and it worries me because i wonder what life for him will be like when he does gets older.
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