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msrosie

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Re: Honest Opinions (no Calling Names)
Posted: 01-29-05 13:05pm

kourtney08 wrote:
what would you want a 24 year old crackhead, who just got pregnant, and doesn't want to give the baby up for adoption, and doesn't want to keep the child because she can't quit smoking crack, and her other 5 kids are in foster care because of her drug addiction, and shes smoking crack while shes pregnant? I want honest answers.. I want to see pro-lifers and pro-choicers tell me what they think, without being mean to each other.

i think someone like this should abort, but it's not my decision to make for another woman.

Rosie
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PattyV

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Posted: 01-29-05 13:16pm

I agree with rosie.I can truly understand her addiction,but if she knows she can't/won't stop,she should not continue the pregnancy.She would be smart to consider sterilization if she already has children she cannot care for and will not stop using drugs and having unprotected sex.Her story is very sad,but it is even sadder for her children.The children are the ones who truly suffer.They are often born with many developmental problems and never get to have a family to call their own.Kids do not ask to be born into these messed up situations,yet they are.Not many people open their hearts and homes to these sad kids,so they remain in state care.Not a very good quality of life.Adoption is not always the answer,because someone needs to adopt the child for it to be a successful solution.There are no easy answers to these types of situatuons.
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Posted: 01-29-05 13:26pm

I agree ms. Rosie. Most of the pro-lifers here seem to want quantity in children, not quality, they do not seem to have much life experience or understanding, they seem to enjoy judging pregnant females that have had abortions or are more open about it, because in there little world it is sooo wrong.
I agree w/pattyv, she seems to know what goes on out there.

Sincerely,
sandy


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FISHX

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Posted: 01-29-05 13:34pm

I,m sorry but I have never judged any one for the descion to terminate.
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PattyV

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Posted: 01-29-05 20:46pm

Jlee-have you ever held a crack baby??They can cry for hours on end.They are not hungry or dirty .They seem to be crying because they are angry they were born.They can cry unconsolably for hours,no amount of holding or cuddling seems to comfort them.They are withdrawing from drugs and it is pure hell for these little babies.Until you have seen the horror of these poor children with grim futures,keep your pollyanna attitude to yourself.Just because a child is given up for adoption does not mean that child will be adopted by the cleaver family(and we all know how messed up that family really was!!)if your situation has worked for you-that is great,count yourself lucky.Not everyone is that fortunate.What worked for you may not work for all.For the record,i have never had an abortion,but I would like to know I could have one in a safe, sterile environment if I ever needed one.
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Kourtney08

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Posted: 01-29-05 21:55pm

Jilee- this is for mature people to debate. Take your ass somewhere else if you can't debate without being a doing it female part of the body, im about sick of your nasty attitude, and belittling people because they don't agree with you.
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Posted: 01-29-05 22:21pm

Thanks patty.V! Well said as usual! Welcome back!
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Kourtney08

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Posted: 01-29-05 23:32pm

Wow, theres her famous line she stole. "pot..Kettle..Black" I look forward to that post everyday.

"boo hoo"

wow, how "mature" of you. Lol.
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FISHX

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Posted: 01-30-05 06:42am

pattyv wrote:
jlee-have you ever held a crack baby??They can cry for hours on end.They are not hungry or dirty .They seem to be crying because they are angry they were born.They can cry unconsolably for hours,no amount of holding or cuddling seems to comfort them.They are withdrawing from drugs and it is pure hell for these little babies.Until you have seen the horror of these poor children with grim futures,keep your pollyanna attitude to yourself.Just because a child is given up for adoption does not mean that child will be adopted by the cleaver family(and we all know how messed up that family really was!!)if your situation has worked for you-that is great,count yourself lucky.Not everyone is that fortunate.What worked for you may not work for all.For the record,i have never had an abortion,but I would like to know I could have one in a safe, sterile environment if I ever needed one.

Patty



i have actually held a baby going through withdrawal from heroin and it really is tragic what that little one went through. The poor little mite was in hospital for the first 12 weeks of his life suffering terrible cramps and withdrawals. I have to say that looking at him now ten years on you would,nt know what he has had to go through and luckily he remembers nothing about it .He is one of the lucky few that can now live life to the full with no major lasting effects. As I say this is a tragic thing for any new born to go through but some do come out of it at the other side.
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Posted: 01-30-05 10:29am

I'm not saying that there are no good outcomes with drug addicted babies.My point is that adoption is only successful if there is a family willing to adopt a special needs child,as many of these children are.Many women do lose custody when they deliver a child with drugs in their system,some give them up later or lose custody .I have many friends who are social workers and it is heartbreaking to know that many of these kids will never have a forever home because they will need lifelong help.If we lived in a utopia,all babies would be born and those who were not wanted by their birth mothers would be adopted by warm,nutruring families.Well,as we all know that is not the case.However,just as some of you chose to have your children(i'm sure some of you got flack for that as well!),allow those who choose not to continue with a pregnancy to do so without the guilt trip and put downs.
Patty
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FISHX

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Posted: 01-30-05 10:37am

pattyv wrote:
i'm not saying that there are no good outcomes with drug addicted babies.My point is that adoption is only successful if there is a family willing to adopt a special needs child,as many of these children are.Many women do lose custody when they deliver a child with drugs in their system,some give them up later or lose custody .I have many friends who are social workers and it is heartbreaking to know that many of these kids will never have a forever home because they will need lifelong help.If we lived in a utopia,all babies would be born and those who were not wanted by their birth mothers would be adopted by warm,nutruring families.Well,as we all know that is not the case.However,just as some of you chose to have your children(i'm sure some of you got flack for that as well!),allow those who choose not to continue with a pregnancy to do so without the guilt trip and put downs.

Patty



wow hold on a minute i,m not putting anyone down for their choices i.Am just pointing out that although tragic these children can go on to lead fulfilling lives . So please do,nt try to put a context into my post that is,nt there.
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SamiNSunisMa

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Posted: 01-30-05 10:46am

I guess I should be sterilized..
Have I ever held a crack baby? Yes, 3 dead ones, mine. And numerous friends' kids. "they are mostly vegetables" thats total caca. One is mentally retarted, not all. :roll:
i used coke, meth and pot til my 3rd month with sami, he was promised to be retarded, nice, he can write most letters at barely 4.
So please dont say crack babies are hard to handle (yes they are, but everyone has a chance of having a preemie which is just as hard).
Dont say they should be sterilized because that makes this personal.
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Posted: 01-30-05 10:48am

kourtney08 wrote:
jilee- this is for mature people to debate. Take your ass somewhere else if you can't debate without being a !@#^*ing female part of the body, im about sick of your nasty attitude, and belittling people because they don't agree with you.

it stopped being civil when sterilization was brought up. This was made personal without that being intentional.
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FISHX

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Posted: 01-30-05 11:00am

I agree with you there is no need to spout sterilisation that is not the answer as you say anyone can have a prem even the most careful people can have a prem my theory is a baby comes when it is ready not when the parents are ready.
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Posted: 01-30-05 11:23am

kourtney08 wrote:
jilee- this is for mature people to debate. Take your ass somewhere else if you can't debate without being a !@#^*ing female part of the body, im about sick of your nasty attitude, and belittling people because they don't agree with you.



and yet you continue to call jlee the immature one?
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Kourtney08

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Posted: 01-30-05 13:41pm

<<<here let me explain this one to you:
if you would stop your hypocritical behavior I won't have to "inconvenience" you by saying pot...Kettle...Black anymore. So clearly, it's in your hands. And so glad you look forward to it! Than again, you seem to enjoy your hypocrite behavior.

Oh yes...."boo hoo"...That remark is so "immature". Whatever floats your boat deary. :roll: >>>

once again, you've proved how petty and immature you are.

Im hypocritical because I don't belive in what you believe in? Thats very close-minded and immature. Go back to school.

Mom2trevor- if you go through all my posts you'll see that im trying to debate with her without calling names, laughing at the other persons opinions etc. Yes, iam guilty of it, i've said that. But for the past 2 days i've been trying to come here and debate like adults, even pro-choice people have been sending me messages about jilee. So next time you wanna say something, re-read the posts and get some information sweety. Run a long now .. :) !
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Kourtney08

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Posted: 01-30-05 13:43pm

Pro-life* is what I meant. Even they're sending me messages apologizing for jilees pathetic behavior, saying "this isn't how most pro-life people act."

but i've only met probably 3 pro-life people, with a valid, and mature argument. Everyone else just says "you"re a homicide*er. No children, I am pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Go educate yourselves.
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FISHX

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Posted: 01-30-05 13:48pm

Sorry that post was aimed at pattyv she seemed to be putting context in my post that was,nt there.
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Kourtney08

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Posted: 01-30-05 13:53pm

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FISHX

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Posted: 01-30-05 13:56pm

No no i,m talking about planned pregnancy premature birth and the parents thinking they had a few more weeks to get prepared lol.
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