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msrosie
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Re: Honest Opinions (no Calling Names)
Posted: 01-29-05 13:05pm
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| kourtney08
wrote: | | what would you want a 24
year old crackhead, who just got pregnant,
and doesn't want to give the baby up for
adoption, and doesn't want to keep the
child because she can't quit smoking
crack, and her other 5 kids are in foster
care because of her drug addiction, and
shes smoking crack while shes pregnant?
I want honest answers.. I want to see
pro-lifers and pro-choicers tell me what
they think, without being mean to each
other. |
i think someone like this should abort,
but it's not my decision to make for
another woman.
Rosie
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PattyV
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Posted: 01-29-05 13:16pm
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I agree with rosie.I can truly understand
her addiction,but if she knows she
can't/won't stop,she should not continue
the pregnancy.She would be smart to
consider sterilization if she already has
children she cannot care for and will not
stop using drugs and having unprotected
sex.Her story is very sad,but it is even
sadder for her children.The children are
the ones who truly suffer.They are often
born with many developmental problems and
never get to have a family to call their
own.Kids do not ask to be born into these
messed up situations,yet they are.Not many
people open their hearts and homes to
these sad kids,so they remain in state
care.Not a very good quality of
life.Adoption is not always the
answer,because someone needs to adopt the
child for it to be a successful
solution.There are no easy answers to
these types of situatuons.
Patty
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sandyallen
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Posted: 01-29-05 13:26pm
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I agree ms. Rosie. Most of the
pro-lifers here seem to want quantity in
children, not quality, they do not seem to
have much life experience or
understanding, they seem to enjoy judging
pregnant females that have had abortions
or are more open about it, because in
there little world it is sooo wrong.
I agree w/pattyv, she seems to know what
goes on out there.
Sincerely,
sandy
Last edited by sandyallen on 01-29-05 13:40pm; edited 1 time in total
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FISHX
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Posted: 01-29-05 13:34pm
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I,m sorry but I have never judged any one
for the descion to terminate.
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PattyV
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Posted: 01-29-05 20:46pm
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Jlee-have you ever held a crack baby??They
can cry for hours on end.They are not
hungry or dirty .They seem to be crying
because they are angry they were born.They
can cry unconsolably for hours,no amount
of holding or cuddling seems to comfort
them.They are withdrawing from drugs and
it is pure hell for these little
babies.Until you have seen the horror of
these poor children with grim futures,keep
your pollyanna attitude to yourself.Just
because a child is given up for adoption
does not mean that child will be adopted
by the cleaver family(and we all know how
messed up that family really was!!)if your
situation has worked for you-that is
great,count yourself lucky.Not everyone is
that fortunate.What worked for you may not
work for all.For the record,i have never
had an abortion,but I would like to know I
could have one in a safe, sterile
environment if I ever needed one.
Patty
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Kourtney08
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Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
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Posted: 01-29-05 21:55pm
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Jilee- this is for mature people to
debate. Take your ass somewhere else if
you can't debate without being a doing it
female part of the body, im about sick of
your nasty attitude, and belittling people
because they don't agree with you.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 01-29-05 22:21pm
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Thanks patty.V! Well said as usual!
Welcome back!
Sincerely,
sandy
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 01-29-05 23:32pm
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Wow, theres her famous line she stole.
"pot..Kettle..Black" I look forward to
that post everyday.
"boo hoo"
wow, how "mature" of you. Lol.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
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Posted: 01-30-05 06:42am
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| pattyv
wrote: | jlee-have you ever held a
crack baby??They can cry for hours on
end.They are not hungry or dirty .They
seem to be crying because they are angry
they were born.They can cry unconsolably
for hours,no amount of holding or cuddling
seems to comfort them.They are withdrawing
from drugs and it is pure hell for these
little babies.Until you have seen the
horror of these poor children with grim
futures,keep your pollyanna attitude to
yourself.Just because a child is given up
for adoption does not mean that child will
be adopted by the cleaver family(and we
all know how messed up that family really
was!!)if your situation has worked for
you-that is great,count yourself lucky.Not
everyone is that fortunate.What worked for
you may not work for all.For the record,i
have never had an abortion,but I would
like to know I could have one in a safe,
sterile environment if I ever needed
one.
Patty |
i have actually held a baby going through
withdrawal from heroin and it really is
tragic what that little one went through.
The poor little mite was in hospital for
the first 12 weeks of his life suffering
terrible cramps and withdrawals. I have
to say that looking at him now ten years
on you would,nt know what he has had to go
through and luckily he remembers nothing
about it .He is one of the lucky few that
can now live life to the full with no
major lasting effects. As I say this is a
tragic thing for any new born to go
through but some do come out of it at the
other side.
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PattyV
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Joined: 01 May 2004 Posts: 1103 Location: Chicago area
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Posted: 01-30-05 10:29am
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I'm not saying that there are no good
outcomes with drug addicted babies.My
point is that adoption is only successful
if there is a family willing to adopt a
special needs child,as many of these
children are.Many women do lose custody
when they deliver a child with drugs in
their system,some give them up later or
lose custody .I have many friends who are
social workers and it is heartbreaking to
know that many of these kids will never
have a forever home because they will need
lifelong help.If we lived in a utopia,all
babies would be born and those who were
not wanted by their birth mothers would be
adopted by warm,nutruring families.Well,as
we all know that is not the
case.However,just as some of you chose to
have your children(i'm sure some of you
got flack for that as well!),allow those
who choose not to continue with a
pregnancy to do so without the guilt trip
and put downs.
Patty
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
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Posted: 01-30-05 10:37am
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| pattyv
wrote: | i'm not saying that there
are no good outcomes with drug addicted
babies.My point is that adoption is only
successful if there is a family willing to
adopt a special needs child,as many of
these children are.Many women do lose
custody when they deliver a child with
drugs in their system,some give them up
later or lose custody .I have many friends
who are social workers and it is
heartbreaking to know that many of these
kids will never have a forever home
because they will need lifelong help.If we
lived in a utopia,all babies would be born
and those who were not wanted by their
birth mothers would be adopted by
warm,nutruring families.Well,as we all
know that is not the case.However,just as
some of you chose to have your
children(i'm sure some of you got flack
for that as well!),allow those who choose
not to continue with a pregnancy to do so
without the guilt trip and put downs.
Patty |
wow hold on a minute i,m not putting
anyone down for their choices i.Am just
pointing out that although tragic these
children can go on to lead fulfilling
lives . So please do,nt try to put a
context into my post that is,nt there.
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SamiNSunisMa
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Joined: 27 Nov 2004 Posts: 1528
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Posted: 01-30-05 10:46am
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I guess I should be sterilized..
Have I ever held a crack baby? Yes, 3
dead ones, mine. And numerous friends'
kids. "they are mostly vegetables" thats
total caca. One is mentally retarted, not
all. :roll:
i used coke, meth and pot til my 3rd month
with sami, he was promised to be retarded,
nice, he can write most letters at barely
4.
So please dont say crack babies are hard
to handle (yes they are, but everyone has
a chance of having a preemie which is just
as hard).
Dont say they should be sterilized because
that makes this personal.
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SamiNSunisMa
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Posted: 01-30-05 10:48am
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| kourtney08
wrote: | | jilee- this is for mature
people to debate. Take your ass
somewhere else if you can't debate without
being a !@#^*ing female part of the body,
im about sick of your nasty attitude, and
belittling people because they don't agree
with you. |
it stopped being civil when sterilization
was brought up. This was made personal
without that being intentional.
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FISHX
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Posted: 01-30-05 11:00am
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I agree with you there is no need to spout
sterilisation that is not the answer as
you say anyone can have a prem even the
most careful people can have a prem my
theory is a baby comes when it is ready
not when the parents are ready.
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mom2trevor
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Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
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Posted: 01-30-05 11:23am
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| kourtney08
wrote: | | jilee- this is for mature
people to debate. Take your ass
somewhere else if you can't debate without
being a !@#^*ing female part of the body,
im about sick of your nasty attitude, and
belittling people because they don't agree
with you. |
and yet you continue to call jlee the
immature one?
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
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Posted: 01-30-05 13:41pm
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<<<here let me explain this one
to you:
if you would stop your hypocritical
behavior I won't have to "inconvenience"
you by saying pot...Kettle...Black
anymore. So clearly, it's in your hands.
And so glad you look forward to it! Than
again, you seem to enjoy your hypocrite
behavior.
Oh yes...."boo hoo"...That remark is so
"immature". Whatever floats your boat
deary. :roll: >>>
once again, you've proved how petty and
immature you are.
Im hypocritical because I don't belive in
what you believe in? Thats very
close-minded and immature. Go back to
school.
Mom2trevor- if you go through all my posts
you'll see that im trying to debate with
her without calling names, laughing at the
other persons opinions etc. Yes, iam
guilty of it, i've said that. But for the
past 2 days i've been trying to come here
and debate like adults, even pro-choice
people have been sending me messages about
jilee. So next time you wanna say
something, re-read the posts and get some
information sweety. Run a long now .. :)
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
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Posted: 01-30-05 13:43pm
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Pro-life* is what I meant. Even they're
sending me messages apologizing for jilees
pathetic behavior, saying "this isn't how
most pro-life people act."
but i've only met probably 3 pro-life
people, with a valid, and mature argument.
Everyone else just says "you"re a
homicide*er. No children, I am
pro-choice, not pro-abortion. Go educate
yourselves.
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FISHX
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Posted: 01-30-05 13:48pm
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Sorry that post was aimed at pattyv she
seemed to be putting context in my post
that was,nt there.
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Kourtney08
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FISHX
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Posted: 01-30-05 13:56pm
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No no i,m talking about planned pregnancy
premature birth and the parents thinking
they had a few more weeks to get prepared
lol.
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