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Kourtney08

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Posted: 01-28-05 03:44am

You're close-minded, and immature. Im not sick because I don't believe abortions are wrong. Grow up, and get over it please.

Jilees calling people names all the time, and so are you now? Is that how you guys get your points across? You're showing that these people who disagree with you get to you, when you act like that. Remember that ;)
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foreverblue

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Posted: 01-28-05 05:32am

kourtney08 wrote:
you're close-minded, and immature. Im not sick because I don't believe abortions are wrong. Grow up, and get over it please.

Jilees calling people names all the time, and so are you now? Is that how you guys get your points across? You're showing that these people who disagree with you get to you, when you act like that. Remember that ;)



if you are asking me,then no that isnt how I normally get my point across,but steen riled me so much with his lies and backtracking that I lost my temper with him.Even though I agreed with him he still called me a liar,what can you do
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Posted: 01-28-05 11:36am

The command not to homicide applies to human beings, not to killing animals or plant life for food. God gave animals to mankind for his use ( genesis 1:26-30; 9:1-4).
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foreverblue

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Posted: 01-28-05 11:37am

Come on according to pro choicers on this forum,if you dont support abortion then you should starve to death,after you have been sterilized,whilst giving every penny you have to charity and adopting every single child going,as well as building the worlds biggest centre for pregnant women and supporting them afterwards.If you do not then your selfish and your beliefs are wrong,because you want all these children to live,this is the only way.
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steen

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Posted: 01-28-05 12:42pm

foreverblue wrote:
but steen riled me so much with his lies
where did I lie, you stinking liar? What a lying scumbag creep you are
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what can you do
stop lying would be a good start.
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steen

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Posted: 01-28-05 12:44pm

foreverblue wrote:
come on according to pro choicers on this forum,if you dont support abortion then you should starve to death,after you have been sterilized,whilst giving every penny you have to charity and adopting every single child going,as well as building the worlds biggest centre for pregnant women and supporting them afterwards.If you do not then your selfish and your beliefs are wrong,because you want all these children to live,this is the only way.
your false representation of prochoice views is duly noted. Again, we see demonstrated the prolife inability to actually tell the truth.
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Posted: 01-29-05 01:22am

Most of you so-called wanna-be prolifers here do not even know what pro-choice means, duh. You guys do not even know what cows, pigs, chickens means to a lot of people, look @ 4h, I was a member, some of my animals were bought back and died of old age. I could not eat meat or drink milk for a long time in life. They show some people how to let go and move on, it teaches people survival, responsibility, reality. Cows and pigs don't curse you, don't judge you, they can be an escape from people and reality, they are great for therapy. Have you ever seen a child go up and hug a cow or pig, it is so great, these kids cannot do this nowadays with most of there parents. I eat meat now but I have a lot of respect for animals.
I am pro-choice because I believe in a choice, just like you pro-lifers do, if your choice is to continue on with your pregnancy, that is your choice, if you plan to adopt, that is your choice, if you chose to abort, that is your choice, I understand either way as I am not walking in your shoes!
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Kourtney08

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Posted: 01-29-05 03:09am

Jilee- you're an immature whiney little brat. I've been trying for awhile now to try and debate without the pettyness, and laughing at other peoples opinions. Its apparent to me that you can't debate with people without being immature, calling names, laughing at people, and getting mad when people arn't agreeing with you.

Like i've said before, please stop posting to my comments if you can't debate with people without acting like a little child. Until you can debate and be mature, please stop trying to debate with me. Because you're not going to change my mind about abortions, and how a woman should have one if she wants. You're further making an ass out of yourself.
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bd1012

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Posted: 01-29-05 11:52am

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yup, animals mean a lot to me too and they are also creatures of god. But....They are not human and killing them for food is not equivalent to abortion and that is what I was pointing out before.


oh so whatever is special to you and only you is worth saving... You are the one people are supposed to go to to see if a certain species or kind is important.. Almighty jlee.. :roll:
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Posted: 01-29-05 12:03pm

jlee77 wrote:
bd1012 wrote:
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yup, animals mean a lot to <a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.Serverlogic3.Com/lm/rtl3. Asp?Si=22&k=me%20too" onmouseover="window.Status='<a style='text-decoration: none; border-bottom: 3px double;' href="http://www.Serverlogic3.Com/lm/rtl3. Asp?Si=22&k=me%20too" onmouseover="window.Status='me too'; return true;" onmouseout="window.Status=''; return true;">me too'; return true;" onmouseout="window.Status=''; return true;">me too and they are also creatures of god. But....They are not human and killing them for food is not equivalent to abortion and that is what I was pointing out before.


oh so whatever is special to you and only you is worth saving... You are the one people are supposed to go to to see if a certain species or kind is important.. Almighty jlee.. :roll:


are you out of your mind or just drunk?

Where did this come from? If you actually read, if your able to do that....Sandyallen was talking about animals being precious and I agreed. It's that simple. Calm down you freakin' angry beast.
what you meant was is that they are not as worth saving becuase mrs jlee doesn't think so. We should only be concerned about what you are concerned with.. Killing animals for food can be equivalent to abortion depending on how you look at it.
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foreverblue

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Posted: 01-29-05 12:18pm

bd1012 wrote:
killing animals for food can be equivalent to abortion depending on how you look at it.



sorry bd but I cannot see how you can say that,you do not eat the fetus do you,
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Kourtney08

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Posted: 01-29-05 13:49pm

No, but we also "kill" the fetus before its born, before it even knows whats going on. We kill the cows after they're born and have been born for awhile, produce some milk for us, then we kill them
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Kourtney08

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Posted: 01-29-05 21:56pm

Who the hell has an abortion at 24 weeks? What? Good god girl.
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Posted: 01-29-05 22:53pm

A lot of times it is done for medically necessary reasons. If you go into abortion debate and look under patial birth abortions, you will see the debate on it, it is not the best situation but their are times when it is necessary.
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Kourtney08

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Posted: 01-29-05 23:29pm

Yeah, I know what they are, and they're done for reasons. But shes talkin like people go around having them like its a coffee.
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Posted: 01-30-05 01:55am

jlee77 wrote:
kourtney08 wrote:
who the hell has an abortion at 24 weeks? What? Good god girl.
you have never heard of this? It happens.
but it is very rare.
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partial birth abortion
there is no such thing.
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is done primarily in the 2nd trimester which lasts until 28 weeks
nope, you can't even get *that* right. 2nd trimester ends at 26th week of pregnancy (24th week gestational age). So you don't even know the basics of this issue? Sheesh!
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FISHX

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Posted: 01-30-05 06:35am

steen wrote:
jlee77 wrote:
kourtney08 wrote:
who the hell has an abortion at 24 weeks? What? Good god girl.
you have never heard of this? It happens.
but it is very rare.


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partial birth abortion
there is no such thing.


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is done primarily in the 2nd trimester which lasts until 28 weeks
nope, you can't even get *that* right. 2nd trimester ends at 26th week of pregnancy (24th week gestational age). So you don't even know the basics of this issue? Sheesh!



can you kindly clear up for us exactly when and under what circumstances a d&x is preformed.


There is a olt of confusion with this procedure.


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FISHX

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Posted: 01-30-05 10:31am

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Kourtney08

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Posted: 01-30-05 13:47pm

<<<it's rare, so what? They still happen. Is this your defense for late term abortions? How pathetic. >>>

see, right there. Calling someones argument pathetic.

An opinion, is an opinion, you have yours, why do you think your opinion is the only valid one? Everyone on here, whose pro-choice has had you call them "pathetic, twerp, liar, di*ck, etc." why don't you seriously grow up, stop calling names, stop being such a health forum. Your argument is more valid that way, and people are more likely to listen to you. I barly even read your posts, I skim them and only when you say something to me i'll actually read it. Because your arguments may be valid, but the way you try and get them across and speak to people is absoulutley out of line, immature, and ignorant. I listen and read word for word fish's posts because shes nice and sincere about things. You're just trying to get your point across and shuv your belifs down peoples throats.
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steen

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Posted: 01-30-05 14:40pm

fishx wrote:
steen wrote:
jlee77 wrote:
kourtney08 wrote:
who the hell has an abortion at 24 weeks? What? Good god girl.
you have never heard of this? It happens.
but it is very rare.
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partial birth abortion
there is no such thing.
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is done primarily in the 2nd trimester which lasts until 28 weeks
nope, you can't even get *that* right. 2nd trimester ends at 26th week of pregnancy (24th week gestational age). So you don't even know the basics of this issue? Sheesh!

can you kindly clear up for us exactly when and under what circumstances a d&x is preformed.

There is a olt of confusion with this procedure.
the d&x is used for abortions generally in 2nd trimester, predominately weeks 16-22 for abortions where there is a benefit in reducing the diameter that the cervix is dilated. It is done instead of the d&e, where the fetus is removed in pieces, as it is (1) safer, involving less risk for perforation of the uterus, and (2) requires less dilation of the cervix. The cervical dilation is only less as long as the fetus' body is a significantly wider diameter than its shoulders and torso. Thus, when the fetus shoulders and torso are as wide as the head, there is no benefit from compressing the head diameter, and simple induction is then faster, easier and safer as it doesn't involve any instruments at all. That generally is around week 25-26, the very end of 2nd trimester.

The d&x has in rare cases been used in emergencies in 3rd trimester, when induction or c-section is not feasible per the woman's health (i gave an example with pericarditis, abruptio placentae and rapid hemorrhaging at some point earlier in a tread somewhere).

So the d&x is used when it is more beneficial and safer than the d&e, and only until around the time when the fetus shoulders and torso fills out at the end of 2nd trimester. Otherwise, the d&e or simple induction is used.
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