please stop trying to twist
my answers steen,i never said that any
operation shouldnt be performed whatever
it be.We were discussing banning heart
surgery as you well
know.
no, I did not know that.
{quote}
so you dont read threads before you
answer,would it be more to your own
advantage to do so before you post.
{quote=steen}you have put a gradinet of
risks on different types of surgery.
{quote}
are you telling me there isnt a gradient
of risk to different types of surgery,and
no steen I didnt put it there people with
more experiance than me or you decided
this.Are you now telling me that the risk
of .N.O.T having heart surgery is equal to
.N.O.T having an abortion.
{quote=steen}yes, and abortions are some
of the most life-improving surgeries there
are. We saw that in the past in the us,
where women were so desperate to terminate
their unwanted pregnancies that they would
incur tremendous risks in the process.
And we see it today in the countries where
contraception is limited and abortion is
illegal, where every hospital has a
"women's wing" for the women who have
undergone unsafe abortions and are
suffering the health consequenses of this.
Yet, women there still abort, despite the
risks. As such, the access to a safe,
legal abortion is a tremendous relief.
Only those who neglect women completely
can not see the value in that.{quote}
do you have this empathy with drug addicts
in hospital from an overdose,do you have
the same feelings for a car thief in
hospital because he crashed a stolen
car,if a person wishes to commit a
*crime*{which they are doing if abortion
is illegal in that country}they like any
other criminal have to take the
consequences.
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BrianBaby
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Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 1383
Posted: 01-26-05 08:13am
kourtney08
wrote:
having an abortion isn't
about an "inconvenience." a woman
shouldn't have to go through a pregnancy
that she doesn't want to. Forcing
someone to go through with a pregnancy
they don't want, is just as bad as forcing
someone to have an abortion when they
don't want.
so do you believe abortion should be a
form of birth control??
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FISHX
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Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 01-26-05 09:28am
But pregnancy does,nt always end in death
termination does.
Please note this is fact
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BrianBaby
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Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 1383
Posted: 01-26-05 13:13pm
brianbaby
wrote:
kourtney08
wrote:
having an abortion isn't
about an "inconvenience." a woman
shouldn't have to go through a pregnancy
that she doesn't want to. Forcing
someone to go through with a pregnancy
they don't want, is just as bad as forcing
someone to have an abortion when they
don't want.
so do you believe abortion should be a
form of birth
control??
i'm still waiting.........
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 01-26-05 14:14pm
<<<so please dear don't tell me
that abortions aren't done for
convenience. >>>
okay, abortions arn't done because they're
an inconvenience. Do you know every woman
whos gotten an abortion and their
situation? Why are you worried about what
another woman does with her body anyways?
Its kinda sick how pro-life people can
concentrate so much on what another woman
does with her body, why don't you go worry
about your own self? These woman don't
know you, you're not part of there family
so why do you try and stick your noses in
places they don't belong?
<<<so do you believe abortion
should be a form of birth
control??>>>
<<<i'm still
waiting.........>>>
sorry I don't spend my whole life on the
internet waiting for you to respong to me.
Anyways, if a woman is not on birth
control, and having sex all the time,
getting pregnant, and then aborting, then
thats absolutley wrong. But if a 35 year
old woman, who never wanted to have kids,
whose on birthcontrol as well as using
protection with her husband/boyfriend, and
she ends up getting pregnant and doesn't
want the baby, then she has every right to
abort. And if she didn't.. It'd be
illegal right now.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 01-26-05 14:26pm
kourtney08
wrote:
<<<so please dear
don't tell me that abortions aren't done
for convenience. >>>
okay, abortions arn't done because they're
an inconvenience. Do you know every
woman whos gotten an abortion and their
situation? Why are you worried about
what another woman does with her body
anyways? Its kinda sick how pro-life
people can concentrate so much on what
another woman does with her body, why
don't you go worry about your own self?
These woman don't know you, you're not
part of there family so why do you try and
stick your noses in places they don't
belong?
<<<so do you believe abortion
should be a form of birth
control??>>>
<<<i'm still
waiting.........>>>
sorry I don't spend my whole life on the
internet waiting for you to respong to me.
Anyways, if a woman is not on birth
control, and having sex all the time,
getting pregnant, and then aborting, then
thats absolutley wrong. But if a 35 year
old woman, who never wanted to have kids,
whose on birthcontrol as well as using
protection with her husband/boyfriend, and
she ends up getting pregnant and doesn't
want the baby, then she has every right to
abort. And if she didn't.. It'd be
illegal right
now.
see but now the "pro-choicers" are gonna
come running and say but what's the diff
with a girl who keeps getting preggers
than one who takes precautions. I've
been through this with them already cause
I too think, ok maybe one abortion cause
of circumstances is "ok" but to keep
getting them is wrong. And the
pro-choicers jumped down my throat saying
what's the diff between 1 or 6 abortions.
(like they don't know)
hope you understand this.... Lol
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 01-26-05 14:28pm
I understand completley.
I don't like most of the arugments I get
in with pro-lifers, because all they do is
sit there and call pro-choicers
*homicide*ers* no, pro-choice doesn't mean
i've gotten a bunch of abortions. It
means I support the *choice* (key word) of
a woman. How does that make me a
homicide*er*..I wonder..?
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mom2trevor
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Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 01-26-05 14:35pm
Innocent unborn children are being
slaughtered...That's why I care what
someone does to their body.
You may not care about the abortion
victims but I do.
Yeah your body, your choice right? Blah
blah blah....It's all been said
before...But people happen to forget that
the unborn have bodies too and they
shouldn't die for your selfish gain..
Another thing--you tell me to worry about
myself--if you are so concerened with
privacy and letting people do what they
want... Why don't you stay the h*ell out
of my business and don't worry about what
I do....
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 01-26-05 14:37pm
kourtney08
wrote:
i understand completley.
I don't like most of the arugments I get
in with pro-lifers, because all they do is
sit there and call pro-choicers
*homicide*ers* no, pro-choice doesn't mean
i've gotten a bunch of abortions. It
means I support the *choice* (key word) of
a woman. How does that make me a
homicide*er*..I
wonder..?
well I do think abortion is "ki.Lling".
But I also understand that there are
circumstances (rape, incest, 13 yr olds
getting preggers) what I thinkis wrong
are the girls who have sex with no
protection, fall pregnant and say oh well
i'll get an abortion. I also think girls
who get pregnant over and over again and
keep getting abortions is wrong. But the
"pro-choicers"say it isn't cause it's her
choice. Whatever!!!!!!!
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bd1012
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Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 01-26-05 14:39pm
I know your question wasn't directed at me
mom2trevor but I just wanted to let you
know that prochoice do not mind if you
think that the "unborn" is a person, what
we do mind is when you try to make your
morals into law.. Other than that, we
don't care if you don't like abortion or
if you do..
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 01-26-05 14:40pm
<<<innocent unborn children are
being slaughtered...That's why I care what
someone does to their body.>>>
slaughtered... :roll: please. You've
crossed the line with your argument, and
are now dancing on it.
<<another thing--you tell me to
worry about myself--if you are so
concerened with privacy and letting people
do what they want... Why don't you stay
the h*ell out of my business and don't
worry about what I do....>>
im not in your buisness, I don't even know
who the hell you are. Are you taking
medication?
Anyways, care about yourself. Don't go
butting your big fat nose into the lives
of people you will never have an impact
on. Okay? If you're not having
abortions, then bully for you! But don't
degrade another woman, or try and push
your views on someone when they clearly
don't believe in it.
Sorry, but if I got pregnant, and had an
abortion, it wouldn't affect you. It
would affect me, and mine. You're not my
family, or friend, and would never ever
have the right to degrade me or give me
your pathetic insight on the situation.
Thanks! :d :d :d :d
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BrianBaby
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Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 1383
Posted: 01-26-05 15:07pm
kourtney08
wrote:
sorry I don't spend my whole life on the
internet waiting for you to respong to me.
Anyways, if a woman is not on birth
control, and having sex all the time,
getting pregnant, and then aborting, then
thats absolutley wrong. But if a 35 year
old woman, who never wanted to have kids,
whose on birthcontrol as well as using
protection with her husband/boyfriend, and
she ends up getting pregnant and doesn't
want the baby, then she has every right to
abort. And if she didn't.. It'd be
illegal right
now.
never said you spent your whole life on
the internet~apology accepted....
So what happens if this 35 year old woman
get pregnant again right after that
abortion.....Still using birth control and
everything.....Should she be allowed to go
out and kill another baby???
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
Posted: 01-26-05 15:25pm
Kourtney--your little rant about
medication is very immature...There are
many people that are on daily medications
to sustain their lives and no i'm not one
of them but I know many people that are so
that was rude, immature and uncalled for.
Was that really necessary?
*your earier post******** anyways, if a
woman is not on birth control, and having
sex all the time, getting pregnant, and
then aborting, then thats absolutley
wrong. But if a 35 year old woman, who
never wanted to have kids, whose on
birthcontrol as well as using protection
with her husband/boyfriend, and she ends
up getting pregnant and doesn't want the
baby, then she has every right to abort.
And if she didn't.. It'd be illegal right
now.************
--so is it okay for one person to have an
abortion but not another? That is very
hypocritical of you....
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 01-26-05 17:26pm
Like I said earlier.. I've already said
all im going to say on the subject. Im
pro-life, I think if a woman wants to get
an abortion she should be allowed to
without having to justify her actions to
people like you. People are different and
have different opinions. Im not going to
sit here day and night for months and
argue, its pointless. You're allowed to
believe in what you believe in and im
allowed my belifs. I shouldn't have to
explain myself anymore. Thanks!
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BrianBaby
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Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 1383
Posted: 01-26-05 17:40pm
You don't have to come here if you don't
want to.....It's a debate forum....I guess
if you want to come on here and just
"voice your opinions", that's fine~but be
ready for some questions on them! I
respect your opinion alot, and i'm not
trying to change you! I just find it
fascinating to get other people's views on
things and sometimes challenge them~hence
the word debate.
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 01-26-05 17:42pm
Yep, and I gave my views. Im done now. I
like to come and look at everyone elses
views. And if I have something to say I
will. But for now im done :)
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BrianBaby
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Joined: 19 Jan 2005 Posts: 1383
Posted: 01-26-05 17:45pm
I understand how it can be exhausting
sometimes and like your saying the same
things over and over again.....
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-27-05 00:17am
foreverblue
wrote:
Quote:
you have put a
gradinet of risks on different types of
surgery.
are you telling me there
isnt a gradient of risk to different types
of surgery,
nope, as that is true.
I am saying that you are now making that
gradient a criteria for whether the
surgery should be allowed or not. So I
am asking you were you are putting that
gradient? Shoudl any surgery with high
risk not be aloowed? Or are you saying
that only surgeries where the treated
condition carries a high risk, should
surgery be allowed? Because those are
the only two possibilities that I read
from your post. So which one is it?
Quote:
and no steen I
didnt put it there people with more
experiance than me or you decided
this.
what are you talking
about?
Quote:
are you now
telling me that the risk of .N.O.T having
heart surgery is equal to .N.O.T having an
abortion.
nope, I am not saying
that. Rather, I am asking you how you
see the issue of risk as having any
validity in determining whether abortions
are valid/allowed or not? I would love
to see how you come to a decision based on
that, without also affecting the right to
all sorts of other surgeries.
Quote:
Quote:
yes, and
abortions are some of the most
life-improving surgeries there are. We
saw that in the past in the us, where
women were so desperate to terminate their
unwanted pregnancies that they would incur
tremendous risks in the process. And we
see it today in the countries where
contraception is limited and abortion is
illegal, where every hospital has a
"women's wing" for the women who have
undergone unsafe abortions and are
suffering the health consequenses of this.
Yet, women there still abort, despite
the risks. As such, the access to a
safe, legal abortion is a tremendous
relief. Only those who neglect women
completely can not see the value in
that.
do you have this empathy
with drug addicts in hospital from an
overdose,
yes, I treat them all the
time.
Quote:
do you have the
same feelings for a car thief in hospital
because he crashed a stolen
car,
yes. They are patients.
I don't judge their action, only their
needs.
Quote:
if a person
wishes to commit a *crime*{which they are
doing if abortion is illegal in that
country}they like any other criminal have
to take the
consequences.
and as such, they should
suffer preventable diseases. Yup, we
sure see how little compassion you store
you your little grinch heart.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-27-05 00:21am
brianbaby
wrote:
kourtney08
wrote:
having an abortion isn't
about an "inconvenience." a woman
shouldn't have to go through a pregnancy
that she doesn't want to. Forcing
someone to go through with a pregnancy
they don't want, is just as bad as forcing
someone to have an abortion when they
don't want.
so do you believe
abortion should be a form of birth
control??
it is very effective when
other birth control fails, certainly.
But it suchs as primary prevention as it
is an expensive surgical procedure.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 01-27-05 00:22am
fishx
wrote:
but pregnancy does,nt always
end in death termination does.
Please note this is
fact
to the woman patient,
pregnancy is much more lethal than
abortions are.
