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foreverblue
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:30pm
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Quote=steen
the risk is higher from the heart
condition =quote
thank you that was the point I was trying
to make.
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BrianBaby
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:35pm
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So, if I have a "problem" with another
human being~and find myself in a situation
where I have the choice to terminate them,
or deal with them like a big girl~either
of these actions are totally okay??
Please note: I view human life to begin at
the moment of conception, therefore I
believe abortions homicide.....If you
don't share this opinion than this would
not apply to you....
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steen
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:39pm
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| fishx
wrote: | go to the thread it was
started on steen are women dying to
terminate all relivant facts are there as
you already know
please note this is
fact |
Notably, in that tread, you stated the
following: "did I say they had died ?
Errrm no "
so it sure seems like you are **not**
saying that women are dying from abortions
with mtx. So again, please provide some
substance to your claimed "fact." please
show that there are abortions through mtx
that causes the woman to die.
And please provide evidence that mtx is
actually used for abortions, other than in
ectopic pregnancies where a d&c can't
be used. You seem to have "forgotten" to
do that as well.
Because, as I questioned before, that is
not just some hypothetical thing you are
talking about, is it? Where is the
support for your claim of mtx used as an
abortifacient other than in medical
emergencies, or that women die from this
use of these "elective" mtx abortions you
claim are happening?
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steen
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:42pm
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| foreverblue
wrote: | quote=steen
the risk is higher from the heart
condition =quote
thank you that was the point I was trying
to make. |
Or not allowed when the risk is as low as
with pregnancy? Which one is it?
After all, you are now saying that there
is a certainly level of risk, under which
the suregry (in this case it happens to be
an abortion) is not
allowed/valid/justified/accepted, right?
See, I told you that you probably don't
want that argument, but now we are there.
So please provide the criteria for when a
surgery is ok, risk-wise.
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steen
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:43pm
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| brianbaby
wrote: | so, if I have a "problem"
with another human being~and find myself
in a situation where I have the choice to
terminate them, or deal with them like a
big girl~either of these actions are
totally okay??
Please note: I view human life to begin at
the moment of conception, therefore I
believe abortions homicide.....If you
don't share this opinion than this would
not apply to
you.... |
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BrianBaby
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:48pm
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| steen
wrote: | | i don't share that opinion,
and therefore, to me your argument reads
as nonsense. |
sooo, I guess what your trying to say is
you would fall under the category that I
put "does not apply "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thanks for clearing that up for
everyone...
(i can't help but laugh)
Last edited by BrianBaby on 01-25-05 17:58pm; edited 2 times in total
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FISHX
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:51pm
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You cant help but laugh because steens a
clown that runs from the truth
please note this is fact.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:55pm
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| steen
wrote: | | foreverblue
wrote: | quote=steen
the risk is higher from the heart
condition =quote
thank you that was the point I was trying
to make. |
Or not allowed when the risk is as low as
with pregnancy? Which one is it?
After all, you are now saying that there
is a certainly level of risk, under which
the suregry (in this case it happens to be
an abortion) is not
allowed/valid/justified/accepted, right?
See, I told you that you probably don't
want that argument, but now we are there.
So please provide the criteria for when
a surgery is ok,
risk-wise. |
please stop trying to twist my answers
steen,i never said that any operation
shouldnt be performed whatever it be.We
were discussing banning heart surgery as
you well know.Why have you taken one line
from my post and tried to make it
something it is not,i could not of said it
more clearly,the risk of not having heart
surgery is greater than the risk of not
having an abortion,of which you agreed so
how do you come to the conclusion that I
said only operations with the same risk
can be carried out,i havent.Some small
operations can have just as a dramatic
effect on peoples lives,
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foreverblue
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:56pm
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[quote="steen"]
or not allowed when the risk is as low as
with pregnancy?
Quote]
so are you saying there is little risk
during pregnancy
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steen
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Posted: 01-25-05 18:57pm
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| foreverblue
wrote: | | please stop trying to twist
my answers steen,i never said that any
operation shouldnt be performed whatever
it be.We were discussing banning heart
surgery as you well
know. |
| Quote: | | i could not of
said it more clearly,the risk of not
having heart surgery is greater than the
risk of not having an abortion,of which
you agreed so how do you come to the
conclusion that I said only operations
with the same risk can be carried out,i
havent. |
| Quote: | | some small
operations can have just as a dramatic
effect on peoples
lives, |
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BrianBaby
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Posted: 01-25-05 20:24pm
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| steen
wrote: | | i don't share that opinion,
and therefore, to me your argument reads
as nonsense. |
are you trying to say that if you don't
agree with someone~that their case is just
nonsense?? That's not very fair do you
think?? I might not agree with someone,
but I at least respect their views....
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bd1012
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Posted: 01-25-05 20:25pm
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Yeah brian but we don't tolerate people
trying to make a law based mostly on their
religious beliefs.
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BrianBaby
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Posted: 01-25-05 20:27pm
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First off~who is "we"?? You and steen??
And secondly~who asked for a law?? I
don't care the us passes a law that you
have to burn monkies!! I still wouldn't
do it; it still wouldn't be right; and it
still wouldn't keep me from telling others
not to burn monkies!!
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bd1012
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Posted: 01-25-05 20:29pm
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We are the prochoice people.. And we
won't tolerate you telling us what to do
based soley of your religion and morals.
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BrianBaby
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Posted: 01-25-05 20:39pm
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Can you find a post were I ever told you
what to do or what to beleive in?? Do
you really think that I have the power to
do this.........If I ever did tell you
what to do (which I never have) I
certianly hope you can decide for yourself
whether or not to do it, and recognize
that me telling you what to do has no
impact on what you actually have to
do......I don't care what you do....Go get
abortions~i won't have one....This is a
debate forum....What do you expect??
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 01-25-05 21:28pm
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| jlee77
wrote: | the father has just as much
a right to that baby as the mother as w/o
his sperm, there is no baby. He does not
have to carry it, it's still just as much
his right. If I ever knew a man whose
baby got aborted just because the selfish
mother "needed" to do so, I would feel
terrible for that man. How truly sad
that would be. Abortion is just sad to
me. And if the woman is not getting the
abortion for "life and death" reasons, she
is selfish for obtaining one.
As for the talk about what if she can't
afford it or wants to finish school or rah
rah....If she thought about that to begin
with we wouldn't have to ask this
question. There are far, far, far too
many forms of contraceptive to cry "oh no,
i'm pregnant"...Out there. The flat
simple point is if your not using any or
taking precaution, well then accept the
outcome.
Take me for example. My pregnancy was
unexpected. I was not exactly careful
though and knew in all reality I could
easily become pregnant at any given time.
And I did. And I accepted it and it was
not easy for me at first. Me and the
father ...My husband now were not doing
well and I was very emotional over some
other things. That does not give me any
right whatsoever to go kill my baby.
That's the point....A woman has no right
to abort a child.
Period. |
---great post jlee-- I agree with you
100%!!!
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bd1012
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Posted: 01-26-05 00:46am
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| jlee77
wrote: | | bd1012
wrote: | | we are the prochoice
people.. And we won't tolerate you
telling us what to do based soley of your
religion and
morals. |
....Hence...A dabate forum. We are here
to debate, not tell you what to do. As
we never have and never will. But
alas....We will voice our opinions, as you
will too!
:wink: |
yeah so you're not telling us what to do
by saying "keep your legs shut if you
don't want a kid" and you aren't trying to
tell us what to do if you happen to want
abortion illegal? I know some of you
prolifers don't want illegal but some do
and the ones that do are the ones I am
referring to. Maybe if you added.. "why
don't you" in front of what you want us to
do.. Then it won't come off as you giving
us orders but to me it sounds like you're
barking orders.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 01-26-05 00:59am
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I do happen to believe that abortion
should be illegal...How can you justify
taking a life? Just because you feel like
it right? There is no justification in
abortion and in *my* eyes there never will
be.
It's stupid to think that you can destroy
a life just because it's inconvenient to
you.
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 01-26-05 02:03am
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Having an abortion isn't about an
"inconvenience." a woman shouldn't have to
go through a pregnancy that she doesn't
want to. Forcing someone to go through
with a pregnancy they don't want, is just
as bad as forcing someone to have an
abortion when they don't want.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 01-26-05 02:25am
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So it's not about inconvenience?
"it just wasn't the right time." =
inconvenience ( thought it would interfere
with their life)
"i wanted to finish school" =
inconvenience ( thought it would interfere
with education)
"it would interfere with my career" =
inconvenience ( thought it would have a
negative impact on career)
"i didn't want to have a baby right now" =
inconvenience (self- explanatory)
" I didn't think I was responsible enough"
= inconvenience ( not convenient at the
time because they thought they weren't
mature enough to handle a child)
" the father didn't want it" =
inconvenience ( would interfere with
relationship with father)
"i couldn't afford it" = inconvenience
(thought it would be a burden on income)
must I go on?
So please dear don't tell me that
abortions aren't done for convenience.
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