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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
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Posted: 02-16-05 02:44am
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Whether or not someone thinks its okay or
not. Forcing a child on a woman who isn't
ready for it, is turning that poor child
into a punishment for that woman whether
anyone likes it or not. So she had sex
and should be punished? I know that
adult, woman get abortions all the time.
Woman who are married and don't want kids,
who are using protection. They've tried
to prevent it, and if they get pregnant
they should have the right to abort. They
shouldn't be forced to go along with
something they didn't want just because
other people think its wrong to abort. I
think its wrong to force a pregnancy on a
woman. In the end, that childs life will
be so screwed whether anyone wants to
admit it or not.
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mom2trevor
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
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Posted: 02-16-05 04:39am
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So it's okay to punish the child for the
mother's actions? So the baby was
conceived...Should it be punished?
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
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Posted: 02-16-05 04:57am
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"forcing a child on a woman who isn't
ready for it, is turning that poor child
into a punishment for that woman."
no one wants to force a child on a woman,
we want to prevent her from killing a
child she already has.
Abortion is surely the punishment dished
out to the child who's only crime was to
be concieved by a woman own action and
misfortune who didnt want to concieve.
"so she had sex and should be punished?"
no
so she had sex, concieved unwillingly, so
the child should be punished?
"woman who are married and don't want
kids, who are using protection. They've
tried to prevent it, and if they get
pregnant they should have the right to
abort."
why? Please explain the logic behind how
contraception = the right to kill
"they shouldn't be forced to go along with
something they didn't want just because
other people think its wrong to abort."
wether people think it right or wrong, is
not what counts, its the fact its killing
a child. Should a child forced to go to
school take up arms and kill his parents
and well its ok to do that if he chooses
because after all he was forced to do
something he didnt want to do?
I think its wrong to force a pregnancy on
a woman
totally agreed, rape is wrong!
I also think it wrong to force death on
unborn children.
"in the end, that childs life will be so
screwed whether anyone wants to admit it
or not."
so does that give you the right to kill
him? What qualifications do you have to
say such a thing, never the less you have
just shown your colors yor saying
unwanted, unloved, depressesd ect people
should die and your the one who decides if
they are unwanted, unloved, depressed
etc.
Thats a nazi ideology if I ever heard one.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
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Posted: 02-16-05 11:20am
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| mom2trevor
wrote: | | so it's okay to punish the
child for the mother's actions? So the
baby was conceived...Should it be
punished? |
there is no baby, no
child. And no, the embryo is no more
being punished than is a tumor. It is
simply being removed from where it is not
permitted to be, just like when we remove
a tumor.
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
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Posted: 02-16-05 11:29am
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Say's you, why should I believe you?
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
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Posted: 02-16-05 11:52am
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Your either blind or one of those doing
the blinding.
There are numerous biological testimonies
to the contary, I shall believe these top
class world renowend scientists over you
any day. So why dont you do us all a
favour shut up and let the profesional
research talk.
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
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Posted: 02-16-05 16:25pm
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tr> | say's you, why
should I believe you?
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well..Who says I should believe you? You
don't have to believe him, but you don't
have to tell him, that his opinion is
crap.
I don't believe the fetus knows whats
going on, the mother does. It is her body
its living in, and will have to live in to
survive, its her choice what she does.
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
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Posted: 02-16-05 23:18pm
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P.S. Kourtney... Izzy is a troll. I
don't even bother with him anymore.
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
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Posted: 02-17-05 04:22am
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"you don't have to tell him, that his
opinion is crap. "
true! But I feel its my duty to tell him
since his opinion is trying to justify
murd.
"i don't believe the fetus knows whats
going on, the mother does. It is her body
its living in, and will have to live in to
survive"
so its ok to kill him then?
And that justifies murd how?
"izzy is a troll. I don't even bother
with him anymore"
izzy is a troll, jlee is a troll, blah
blah is a troll...Get over yourself it
seems anyone who disagrees with you is a
lier or a troll..... Maybe your the lying
troll, in fact I am sure of it.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
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Posted: 02-17-05 04:28am
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| izzy
wrote: | "you don't have to tell him,
that his opinion is crap. "
true! But I feel its my duty to tell him
since his opinion is trying to justify
murd.
"i don't believe the fetus knows whats
going on, the mother does. It is her
body its living in, and will have to live
in to survive"
so its ok to kill him then?
And that justifies murd how?
Careful izzy all pro lifers are being
banned with no explanation.
Try wisepatient.Com
"izzy is a troll. I don't even bother
with him anymore"
izzy is a troll, jlee is a troll, blah
blah is a troll...Get over yourself it
seems anyone who disagrees with you is a
lier or a troll..... Maybe your the
lying troll, in fact I am sure of
it. |
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
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Posted: 02-17-05 04:52am
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"careful izzy all pro lifers are being
banned with no explanation"
i have never been one to be easily
intimidated especially on life issues.
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
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Posted: 02-17-05 14:35pm
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tr> | true! But I feel
its my duty to tell him since his opinion
is trying to justify
murd. |
abortion is not homicide, homicide is
illegal. And *most* intellegent
pro-lifers I talk to agree with that
point. Lets not be foolish now. Abortion
being homicide is merely an opinion.
Wouldn't woman be going to jail everyday
for 'homicide'? Well then..
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tr> | so its ok to kill
him then? |
whose 'him'? It. Yes it is okay to abort
it if its something I am not ready for im
not going to selfishly bring it into this
world. Sorry for ya.
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tr> | get over yourself
it seems anyone who disagrees with you is
a lier or a troll..... Maybe your the
lying troll, in fact I am sure of
it. |
yeah, it also seems that way with a lot of
pro-lifers here. Seeing as how the first
time I ever came here, didn't insult
anyone at all, but did voice my opinion,
got spoken to very rudely by a pro-lifer,
who didn't know me, and I didn't insult.
Just knew my stance on abortion. Its very
sad.
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
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Posted: 02-17-05 16:06pm
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Itrs very sad, but is to be expected by
the prolifers. They have no rational
argument on facts, thus have to resort to
deceptions and lies. That's so lame and
despicable.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 02-17-05 19:00pm
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| steen
wrote: | | itrs very sad, but is to be
expected by the prolifers. They have no
rational argument on facts, thus have to
resort to deceptions and lies. That's
so lame and
despicable. |
the prolifers care about life. What is
so bad with that????
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
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Posted: 02-17-05 21:21pm
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| lil_blaze2004
wrote: | | steen
wrote: | | itrs very sad, but is to be
expected by the prolifers. They have
no rational argument on facts, thus have
to resort to deceptions and lies.
That's so lame and
despicable. |
the prolifers care about life. What is
so bad with
that???? |
for one, they don't care about the woman.
Secondly, only care about that life until
it is born, then it becomes a welfare
leech. Thirdly, some don't care if it is
conceived from incest or rape. Fourthly,
they make up lies to hold their arguments
together (the most galling part of the
prolife claims, the incessant lies).
Fiftly.. Well, death penalty, quality of
life of born kids, ignoring those who are
dying and could be helped through forced
organ donation like you insist the woman
does but hypocritically want to excempt
yourself from etc...
So lots of exceptions to caring for life,
very little rational argument based on
facts and consistency of position.
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Izzy
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
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Posted: 02-18-05 05:36am
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"abortion is not murd, murd is illegal.
And *most* intellegent pro-lifers I talk
to agree with that point."
so what are you saying?
That I am stupid?
Or
that the 6 million jews killed in the
holocaust were not murd ed by adolf hitler
and the ss because it was quite legal to
kill the jews durring that time?
"abortion being murd is merely an
opinion"
so your saying the fact millions of jews
were "murd" by adolf and his cronies is
merely an opinion too.
"wouldn't woman be going to jail everyday
for 'murd'?"
did the german police send hitler and ss
to jail?
I suppose ss officers should not have been
hanged on someone elses opinion, since of
course it was legal to do what they did.
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
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Posted: 02-18-05 09:01am
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Abortion isn't the same as the holocaust.
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
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Posted: 02-18-05 15:34pm
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Ah, here we go again.
I asked for mature responses and here runs
*someone* with their petty and immature
insults to people, merely because someone
doesn't agree with this person.
Once again, if you can't debate this topic
like an adult, without telling someone
their views are "decpicable, twerpy, or
wrong" (i didn't know people even still
used the word twerpy out of the 2nd
grade..But okay) then don't post here.
Thanks.
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
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Posted: 02-19-05 12:48pm
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Ah, yes. A clear demonstration that you
are right, kourtney.
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
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Posted: 02-19-05 13:56pm
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As I said, kourtney clearly nailed this
one.
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