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Kourtney08

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Posted: 02-16-05 02:44am

Whether or not someone thinks its okay or not. Forcing a child on a woman who isn't ready for it, is turning that poor child into a punishment for that woman whether anyone likes it or not. So she had sex and should be punished? I know that adult, woman get abortions all the time. Woman who are married and don't want kids, who are using protection. They've tried to prevent it, and if they get pregnant they should have the right to abort. They shouldn't be forced to go along with something they didn't want just because other people think its wrong to abort. I think its wrong to force a pregnancy on a woman. In the end, that childs life will be so screwed whether anyone wants to admit it or not.
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mom2trevor

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Posted: 02-16-05 04:39am

So it's okay to punish the child for the mother's actions? So the baby was conceived...Should it be punished?
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Izzy

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Posted: 02-16-05 04:57am

"forcing a child on a woman who isn't ready for it, is turning that poor child into a punishment for that woman."

no one wants to force a child on a woman, we want to prevent her from killing a child she already has.

Abortion is surely the punishment dished out to the child who's only crime was to be concieved by a woman own action and misfortune who didnt want to concieve.


"so she had sex and should be punished?"

no

so she had sex, concieved unwillingly, so the child should be punished?

"woman who are married and don't want kids, who are using protection. They've tried to prevent it, and if they get pregnant they should have the right to abort."

why? Please explain the logic behind how contraception = the right to kill

"they shouldn't be forced to go along with something they didn't want just because other people think its wrong to abort."

wether people think it right or wrong, is not what counts, its the fact its killing a child. Should a child forced to go to school take up arms and kill his parents and well its ok to do that if he chooses because after all he was forced to do something he didnt want to do?

I think its wrong to force a pregnancy on a woman

totally agreed, rape is wrong!

I also think it wrong to force death on unborn children.

"in the end, that childs life will be so screwed whether anyone wants to admit it or not."

so does that give you the right to kill him? What qualifications do you have to say such a thing, never the less you have just shown your colors yor saying unwanted, unloved, depressesd ect people should die and your the one who decides if they are unwanted, unloved, depressed etc.
Thats a nazi ideology if I ever heard one.
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steen

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Posted: 02-16-05 11:20am

mom2trevor wrote:
so it's okay to punish the child for the mother's actions? So the baby was conceived...Should it be punished?
there is no baby, no child. And no, the embryo is no more being punished than is a tumor. It is simply being removed from where it is not permitted to be, just like when we remove a tumor.
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Izzy

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Posted: 02-16-05 11:29am

Say's you, why should I believe you?
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Izzy

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Posted: 02-16-05 11:52am

Your either blind or one of those doing the blinding.

There are numerous biological testimonies to the contary, I shall believe these top class world renowend scientists over you any day. So why dont you do us all a favour shut up and let the profesional research talk.
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Kourtney08

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Posted: 02-16-05 16:25pm

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say's you, why should I believe you?


well..Who says I should believe you? You don't have to believe him, but you don't have to tell him, that his opinion is crap.

I don't believe the fetus knows whats going on, the mother does. It is her body its living in, and will have to live in to survive, its her choice what she does.
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steen

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Posted: 02-16-05 23:18pm

P.S. Kourtney... Izzy is a troll. I don't even bother with him anymore.
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Izzy

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Posted: 02-17-05 04:22am

"you don't have to tell him, that his opinion is crap. "

true! But I feel its my duty to tell him since his opinion is trying to justify murd.

"i don't believe the fetus knows whats going on, the mother does. It is her body its living in, and will have to live in to survive"

so its ok to kill him then?

And that justifies murd how?

"izzy is a troll. I don't even bother with him anymore"

izzy is a troll, jlee is a troll, blah blah is a troll...Get over yourself it seems anyone who disagrees with you is a lier or a troll..... Maybe your the lying troll, in fact I am sure of it.
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Posted: 02-17-05 04:28am

izzy wrote:
"you don't have to tell him, that his opinion is crap. "

true! But I feel its my duty to tell him since his opinion is trying to justify murd.


"i don't believe the fetus knows whats going on, the mother does. It is her body its living in, and will have to live in to survive"

so its ok to kill him then?


And that justifies murd how?







Careful izzy all pro lifers are being banned with no explanation.



Try wisepatient.Com


"izzy is a troll. I don't even bother with him anymore"

izzy is a troll, jlee is a troll, blah blah is a troll...Get over yourself it seems anyone who disagrees with you is a lier or a troll..... Maybe your the lying troll, in fact I am sure of it.
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Izzy

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Posted: 02-17-05 04:52am

"careful izzy all pro lifers are being banned with no explanation"

i have never been one to be easily intimidated especially on life issues.
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Kourtney08

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Posted: 02-17-05 14:35pm

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true! But I feel its my duty to tell him since his opinion is trying to justify murd.


abortion is not homicide, homicide is illegal. And *most* intellegent pro-lifers I talk to agree with that point. Lets not be foolish now. Abortion being homicide is merely an opinion. Wouldn't woman be going to jail everyday for 'homicide'? Well then..

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so its ok to kill him then?


whose 'him'? It. Yes it is okay to abort it if its something I am not ready for im not going to selfishly bring it into this world. Sorry for ya.


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get over yourself it seems anyone who disagrees with you is a lier or a troll..... Maybe your the lying troll, in fact I am sure of it.


yeah, it also seems that way with a lot of pro-lifers here. Seeing as how the first time I ever came here, didn't insult anyone at all, but did voice my opinion, got spoken to very rudely by a pro-lifer, who didn't know me, and I didn't insult. Just knew my stance on abortion. Its very sad.
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steen

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Posted: 02-17-05 16:06pm

Itrs very sad, but is to be expected by the prolifers. They have no rational argument on facts, thus have to resort to deceptions and lies. That's so lame and despicable.
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Posted: 02-17-05 19:00pm

steen wrote:
itrs very sad, but is to be expected by the prolifers. They have no rational argument on facts, thus have to resort to deceptions and lies. That's so lame and despicable.


the prolifers care about life. What is so bad with that????
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steen

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Posted: 02-17-05 21:21pm

lil_blaze2004 wrote:
steen wrote:
itrs very sad, but is to be expected by the prolifers. They have no rational argument on facts, thus have to resort to deceptions and lies. That's so lame and despicable.

the prolifers care about life. What is so bad with that????


for one, they don't care about the woman. Secondly, only care about that life until it is born, then it becomes a welfare leech. Thirdly, some don't care if it is conceived from incest or rape. Fourthly, they make up lies to hold their arguments together (the most galling part of the prolife claims, the incessant lies). Fiftly.. Well, death penalty, quality of life of born kids, ignoring those who are dying and could be helped through forced organ donation like you insist the woman does but hypocritically want to excempt yourself from etc...

So lots of exceptions to caring for life, very little rational argument based on facts and consistency of position.
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Izzy

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Posted: 02-18-05 05:36am

"abortion is not murd, murd is illegal. And *most* intellegent pro-lifers I talk to agree with that point."

so what are you saying?



That I am stupid?



Or

that the 6 million jews killed in the holocaust were not murd ed by adolf hitler and the ss because it was quite legal to kill the jews durring that time?


"abortion being murd is merely an opinion"

so your saying the fact millions of jews were "murd" by adolf and his cronies is merely an opinion too.

"wouldn't woman be going to jail everyday for 'murd'?"

did the german police send hitler and ss to jail?

I suppose ss officers should not have been hanged on someone elses opinion, since of course it was legal to do what they did.
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bd1012

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Posted: 02-18-05 09:01am

Abortion isn't the same as the holocaust.
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Kourtney08

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Posted: 02-18-05 15:34pm

Ah, here we go again.

I asked for mature responses and here runs *someone* with their petty and immature insults to people, merely because someone doesn't agree with this person.

Once again, if you can't debate this topic like an adult, without telling someone their views are "decpicable, twerpy, or wrong" (i didn't know people even still used the word twerpy out of the 2nd grade..But okay) then don't post here. Thanks.
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steen

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Posted: 02-19-05 12:48pm

Ah, yes. A clear demonstration that you are right, kourtney.
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steen

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Posted: 02-19-05 13:56pm

As I said, kourtney clearly nailed this one.
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