I think a woman who aborts a child wanted
by the father is abusive and controlling.
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FISHX
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Posted: 02-08-05 14:55pm
I completly agree m2t the family is just
as much affected as the mother is.
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bd1012
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Posted: 02-08-05 16:11pm
mom2trevor
wrote:
i think a woman who aborts a
child wanted by the father is abusive and
controlling.
what if the father wanted the woman to
abort and she didn't? I think that a man
who forces a women to gestate against her
will is abusive and controlling.
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 02-08-05 16:38pm
If the father wants the baby so bad then
he can carry it in his body, ge can push
it out of his ass, and then raise it. How
bout that?
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steen
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Posted: 02-08-05 20:24pm
gero
wrote:
i'm disregarding your
opinions? Deary you are contradicting
yourself because right now you are showing
no respect or regard for my personal
feelings about the immorality of
abortion.
you can think abortion
immoral all you want, just like we can
think your misogyny and desire to enslave
pregnant women to be immoral.
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but then again, I
know that you people who favor abortion
get defensive because you want to do
whatever it is you want to without having
any rules, morals, or
standards.
oh, you mean without
*you* getting to have a say in the woman's
acts and self control. Yes, we read you
loud and clear. And here we thought
slavery was abandoned more than a century
ago.
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i don't think
that what I say is
immature
i do think you are.
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and you are
pushing your immorality on me, so stop
it!
[you are pushing your
immorality of enslaving women on us, so
stop it.
Or is it that your position is so weak
that it can not stand any challenge?
Perhaps that should tell you how off your
views are, then. Because certainly
prolife is the height of immorality in
their desire to reimpose slavery on
pregnant women.
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also, it is very
immature to take the easy way out of
taking responsibility for a human life
just because it is considered an
inconvenience for
you.
it is very immature and
selfish to want your own kid instead of
adoption one of the many kids that need a
home.
Any other silly ideas you want to push
here? I can't believe that we are now
sinking to the level of "it is immature."
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that is like a
small child running away when he or she
doesn't want to deal with
something.
prolife is like a little
child, narcissistically insist that they
get to control the situation and impose
their will onto other people. Any other
silly comparisons you want to make? I
can keep going just as long as you can
make up your cartoonish and silly
generalizations and caricatures.
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i will say it
again, it isn't the child's fault that the
condom broke or the contraceptive failed,
so why should it be
punished.
there is no child.
And, btw, if you have a tape worm, it is
not the tapeworm's fault that it was
ingested. Why should it suffer from
medical treatment?
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and adoption is
always an
option,
and adoption is also an
option for those who want to be parents.
But selfishly, most prolifers instead
decide to have their own child. Yes, how
selfish is that.
Any other good idea of how you can dictate
what other people should do?
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but you obviously
don't want to put forth the effort to do
that.
"effort"? You have
never been pregnant, have you? Whether
the woman want to raise a kid herself or
set it up for adoption is irrelevant to
whether she wants to remain pregnant or
not. If she doesn't want to remain
pregnant, then it doesn't matter a hill of
beans what you think she could do if she
continued the pregnancy.
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i'm very secure
in my
viewpoints.
i am very secure in my
viewpoints.
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the only reason I
spew forth the words that I do is because
you people make me so angry the way you
have complete disregard for human
life.
and we challenge your
complete disregard for the woman,
insisting that she become enslaved, that
you somehow get to control her body.
Shame on you for supporting slavery.
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and another
thing, people who are prochoice are very
insecure because they try to chase anyone
who is prolife off of this
board.
why do you lie?
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they don't want
someone on here that actually has
standards because that makes them look
bad.
:roll:
the prolifers certainly
don't want such. After all, it makes you
look bad that you support slavery (are you
now done with those *stupid*
and *idiotic* characterizations
and demonizations? are you that
stupid?)
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 02-08-05 22:18pm
kourtney08
wrote:
if the father wants the baby
so bad then he can carry it in his body,
ge can push it out of his ass, and then
raise it. How bout
that?
someone sounds bitter!
So you would deny a father his child? Do
you like people to suffer and grieve?
Cause it sure seems like it to me.
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bd1012
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Posted: 02-08-05 22:41pm
mom2trevor
wrote:
kourtney08
wrote:
if the father wants the baby
so bad then he can carry it in his body,
ge can push it out of his ass, and then
raise it. How bout
that?
someone sounds bitter!
So you would deny a father his child? Do
you like people to suffer and grieve?
Cause it sure seems like it to
me.
oh jebus christ on a criscuit. Do you
like women to suffer and grieve? It sure
seems like it by you trying force them to
gestate.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 02-08-05 22:46pm
Bd--get over the whole forcing them to
gestate argument. It's really lame. How
can you force someone to gestate without
them first getting *pregnant* by their
actions?
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bd1012
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Posted: 02-08-05 23:31pm
mom2trevor
wrote:
bd--get over the whole
forcing them to gestate argument. It's
really lame. How can you force someone
to gestate without them first getting
*pregnant* by their
actions?
fine.. Forced continuation of gestation..
Is that better?
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 02-09-05 00:23am
I could careless if someone gets pregnant
by their own actions, that doesn't give
anyone a right to force them to continue
it if they don't want. Thats absolutley
disgusting, and makes me want to puke.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 02-09-05 00:46am
What is disgusting is that people think
it's okay to destroy human life just
because they *want* too and that makes me
want to puke!
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 02-09-05 00:49am
Its not just because they "want" to, are
people really dense enough to think
that?
If I were to get pregnant again, and I
already have a 3 month old, I have the
choice to abort, and thats no one elses
buisness, and anyone who trys to belittle
me, or push their beliefs on me and try
and force me to do something I don't want
to is really only insecure in their own
beliefs. Its so disgusting, and revulting
to push someone to go through a pregnancy
becase *you* think its wrong to abort.
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 02-09-05 01:19am
So people don't abort because they want
to? I thought it was a womans choice and
she could do what she *wanted* or am I
wrong? Necessary abortions are performed
in less than 1% of cases...Which makes the
rest of them unneccessary done because the
person *wanted* it done.
I'm not the only one that thinks it's
wrong to abort or there wouldn't be a
debate forum now would there?
Oh and by the way--how is it disgusting to
be against the taking of a human life? Oh
because *you* say so right?
I am far from insecure in my own
beliefs...You've been running around here
spewing that little piece for a while and
really it just shows how insecure you are.
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 02-09-05 01:25am
Aw, someones getting a little mad now.
That sucks.
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oh and by the
way--how is it disgusting to be against
the taking of a human life? Oh because
*you* say so right?
hm, thats a little hypocritical of you to
say don't you think? And no, its my
opinion, I never said it was a fact so I
don't know why you're flying off the
handle with it.
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i am far from
insecure in my own beliefs...You've been
running around here spewing that little
piece for a while and really it just shows
how insecure you
are.
but see honey, thats where you're so
wrong. Im 110% secure with my views, and
I would never in a million years force a
woman to do something. Someone, who needs
to push people to believe in what they
believe in, are insecure. Im not pushing
woman to get abortions, im supporting
them. Pro-lifers (well some) talk down to
them like they're trash, and try and push
them to keep a baby. Why would you want
to force a woman to have a baby she didn't
want? Think of the life that child would
have. Yeah, david pelzer, ever heard of
him? Ever read the book "a child called
it." yeah, lets force woman to bring a
child into this world that she doesn't
want, because thats the answer. *rolls
eyes*
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mom2trevor
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Posted: 02-09-05 02:32am
Actually little miss kourtney I am far
from mad...You don't have that affect on
me. I'd rather not waste the energy to
get angry over a silly post from you....
What was hypocritical about what I
stated????
Oh that's right...Nothing was.
And as far as being insecure...Dream on
....I'm not insecure at all. I am
totally comfortable being against the
cruel death of unborn human beings and i'm
really proud of that too.....Especially
when those causing their deaths are the
ones who are supposed to love and nurture
them.....
It's nice to be able to get up in the
morning and know my child is safe and
sound in his bed instead of in a lab/trash
can/medical waste container or whatever
their disposal method of choice may be.
So what was it you wanted to say again?
I'll just say it for you *insecure blah
blah blah* disgusting blah blah blah*
*forced pregnancy blah blah
blah*....Pretty much sums up your response
so there really isn't any need for one
from you.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 02-09-05 06:42am
kourtney08
wrote:
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how can you say
that the "fetus" is "invading" the woman's
body when she had a hand in creating
it?
because if its an (caps) unwanted
pregnancy, then thats exactly what its
doing. Sorry for ya.
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she chose to have
sex
and? She didn't chose for the condom to
break. Does that mean she should be
(caps) forced to have a child she doesn't
want? And who are you to force a woman
to give birth. Thats absolutley
disgusting to me. If they're not ready
for a child, why would you force them?
Can you imagine the hatred they'd feel for
that child if they were forced to give
birth to it? Can you imagine how that
child would be raised? My friend had a
baby, and was thinking of getting an
abortion, she went there, and then left
and didn't get it done. Now shes out
having sex, partying, and doign drugs
while her daughter is living with the
grandmother.
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(but most often
unprotected I bet),
don't make bets on other peoples lives
please. Thats inconsiderate.
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again, I don't
care what you say, it is wrong to for a
woman to terminate a fetus'
life
thats an opinion, not a fact. Sorry.
And you're allowed to that opinion. But
I as a (caps) woman, who would be the one
faced with having to chooe, don't think
its wrong. *big smiles*
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it's no wonder
our world has gone to hell with people
like you who have such disregard for human
life and treat a fetus like it is merely
an unwanted piece of
trash.
if you're going to debate, then do so as
an adult. Please don't throw out
insults, thats petty, and definitley not
proving a point.
Sometimes that fetus is unwanted, not a
"piece of trash" but a fetus. A woman
has the right to abort, it is legal, and
even if it wasn't it would still happen.
So believe in what you want, thats fine.
But don't insult people who think
differently then you, thats immature, and
don't try and push your opinions and
beliefs on other people because that only
shows me that you're insecure in what you
believe in. People are allowed to their
opinions, but (caps) everyone, please stop
disregarding everyones opinions because
its not yours.
Thanks.
you do not read long posts,yet post
this,bit hypocritical dont you think
kourtney
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 02-09-05 14:08pm
No, its not hypocritical at all. People
don't have to read my long posts, im not
forcing anyone to read my posts, so sorry,
but no, its not hypocritical in the least.
I say I don't read long posts, if you
don't either then bully for you, don't
read mine. Im not forcing anyone. Run
along.
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 02-09-05 14:10pm
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someone sounds
bitter!
So you would deny a father his child? Do
you like people to suffer and grieve?
Cause it sure seems like it to
me.
yes, I wuld deny a father his child if I
didn't want to go through the pregnancy.
Sorry for ya! Do I like people to suffer?
Please don't be ignorant and start making
these pathetic assumptions at an attempt
to make your point valid. Its not
working, you're not going to manipulate
me. If a woman doesn't want to be
pregnant, wouldn't that mean if she were
to be forced to go through a pregnancy she
would be suffering? So its fine if the
woman suffers because "shes bringing a
little miracle in the world for the
father" please. That makes me sick, its
okay for the woman to suffer, because shes
doing what you want. Sick, sick forceful
people.
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 02-09-05 14:11pm
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actually little
miss kourtney I am far from mad...You
don't have that affect on me. I'd rather
not waste the energy to get angry over a
silly post from you....
and yet.. You are.
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foreverblue
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Posted: 02-09-05 14:17pm
kourtney08
wrote:
no, its not hypocritical at
all. People don't have to read my long
posts, im not forcing anyone to read my
posts, so sorry, but no, its not
hypocritical in the least. I say I don't
read long posts, if you don't either then
bully for you, don't read mine. Im not
forcing anyone. Run
along.
do you expect people to read your post,if
not why bother posting at all,and no child
I will not run along
