sandyallen
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Posted: 01-25-05 15:17pm
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I believe it was foreverblue was saying
something in regards to heart surgery and
abortion not being similar because if some
don't have the heart surgery that they can
die well if some women do not have an
abortion, they can die too, so what is the
difference, they can die in both
situations.
Brianbaby, the risk of death in pregnancy
is always 50%, just as anything else, you
don't need statistics, you just need to
see it happen.
Fishx, you talked about the 9 things that
happen in termination of pregnancy, these
things also happen in labor &
delivery.
Jlee, that was your choice, someone elses
choice can be different because of
different reasons, that was your right but
not the right of others. You might
accept it but but others do not have to.
You feel that you are carrying a baby,
most prego women do, I guess that o.K, if
that is what you want to feel or believe
and you would not be aborting a child as
it has been proven several times that it
is a z/e/f, then post birth it becomes a
baby, then a child.
You guys need to work in ob/gyn, then
labor & delivery, neo-natal, then you
might understand more.
The best to ya!
Sandy
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 01-25-05 15:33pm
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A woman has every right to do what she
wants with her body, that includes having
an abortion.
As for contraceptives? Hah. What a joke.
"yeah, use contraceptive if you don't
wanna get pregnant" :roll: besides
abstinence, there isn't a form of birth
control thats 100% affective. I know
someone who concieved her twins while on
the depo shot, and then her other kids
were concieved while on the pill. So the
whole theory "if you don't wanna get
pregnant take birth control" doesn't
really work out.
A woman has a right to her body period,
end of story. If its not your body, don't
worry about it.
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 01-25-05 15:54pm
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So if a woman has a right to do anything
to her body then suicide should be legal.
(i don't know if it isin the states, but
here it is considered illegal)
suicide and attempted suicide: legal
issues.
Brown jm, cornish j, swart gt.
Canadian federal and ontario provincial
statutes are reviewed as they relate to
suicide and attempted suicide. Issues
addressed include involuntary committal to
psychiatric facilities, death by suicide
as a legal cause of action, insurance
exclusionary clauses and coroner's
inquests.
http://www.Ncbi.Nlm.Nih.G
ov/entrez/query.Fcgi?Cmd=retrieve&db=p
ubmed&list_uids=3697898&dopt=abstr
act
i also know personally that suicide is
illegal here but do not want to get into
that story.
Drug usage should be legal, prostitution
should be legal.
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bd1012
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Kourtney08
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Posted: 01-25-05 16:07pm
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You went from people having abortions to
killing themselves.
If they don't want to be pregnant they
shouldn't have to be period.
And I don't think suicide is legal, or
illegal. I mean, what are they gonna do
if someone kills themself? Send them to
jail because its illegal? :roll: please.
I know if you attempt suicide, then you
are sentenced to spend time in a
psychiatric place.
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BrianBaby
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Posted: 01-25-05 16:08pm
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| sandyallen
wrote: |
brianbaby, the risk of death in pregnancy
is always 50%, just as anything else, you
don't need statistics, you just need to
see it happen.
You guys need to work in ob/gyn, then
labor & delivery, neo-natal, then you
might understand more.
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you can't just claim that there is a 50%
chance of death during pregnancy without
giving a statistic.....Your making your
own statistic up and you have no
credability to your name....No~half of the
women who are pregnant die! Thats false
and you should correct yourself......I'm
pregnant and thats all I need to know
thank you!
Last edited by BrianBaby on 01-25-05 16:14pm; edited 1 time in total
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bd1012
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Posted: 01-25-05 16:11pm
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You're pregnancy??.. Huh?
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BrianBaby
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Posted: 01-25-05 16:13pm
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Okay, sorry when I type fast and im just
trying to get my point across, I mess up
my words a little bit.....You couldn't
figure out what I meant~or just making fun
of me??
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bd1012
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Posted: 01-25-05 16:18pm
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Lol.. Just messing with ya..
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BrianBaby
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sandyallen
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Brianbaby
Posted: 01-25-05 16:58pm
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No I do believe you misunderstood me, I
did not say that 50% or half of all women
pregnant die, I said that the risk of
death in any pregnancy is always 50%, just
like their is a 50% of death, going to
surgery, going to bed, walking across the
street, getting out of bed, etc., in other
words if it is your time, it is just that,
your time to die.
The best always.
Sandy
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foreverblue
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Re: Brianbaby
Posted: 01-25-05 17:02pm
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| sandyallen
wrote: | no I do believe you
misunderstood me, I did not say that 50%
or half of all women pregnant die, I said
that the risk of death in any pregnancy is
always 50%, just like their is a 50% of
death, going to surgery, going to bed,
walking across the street, getting out of
bed, etc., in other words if it is your
time, it is just that, your time to die.
The best always.
Sandy |
and 50% chance of dying during an abortion
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steen
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:14pm
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| foreverblue
wrote: | | do you really believe that
open heart surgery and abortion are even
close, |
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steen
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:17pm
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| brianbaby
wrote: | | how can you say there is a
risk of death in pregnancy??? Give me an
accurate statistic that gives any back
bone to what your trying to
claim~! |
The average mortality from abortions
ranges in the us between 3-8 per year from
1.1 mill abortions.
So yes, giving birth is much more risky,
and the mortality is dramatically worse
than from abortions.
(and, btw, abortion is the safest surgical
procedure in the us today. So if you
want to talk about risks, you will be
indicting all surgeries.)
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steen
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:19pm
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| fishx
wrote: | bd I do,nt belive you just
said that no one has died through a
termination what about the women that are
dying from methotrexate poisoning
please note this is
fact. |
Because that is not just some hypothetical
thing you are talking about, is it?
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FISHX
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:21pm
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Go to the thread it was started on steen
are women dying to terminate all relivant
facts are there as you already know
please note this is fact
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foreverblue
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:24pm
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| steen
wrote: | | foreverblue
wrote: | | do you really believe that
open heart surgery and abortion are even
close, |
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that was not within the context of the
thread,do not twist my posts .Are you
saying that people choose to have heart
surgery like they do abortion or is the
scenario a bit different,are you trying to
tell me the outcome of not having an
abortion will be the same as not having
heart surgery.
Thank you
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BrianBaby
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:24pm
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| steen
wrote: | | foreverblue
wrote: | | do you really believe that
open heart surgery and abortion are even
close, |
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nice word useage....."a problem"......
I don't remember ever saying anything
about the risk of dying during an
abortion......I was just trying to point
out what sandyallen said was way
off.....There is not a 50% of dying during
pregnancy. Period.
I'm so glad that abortion has become the
#1 safest surgery in the us today!!!
Forget heart surgery or any lifesaving
operation~all Dr.'s should focus on this
procedure!!
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steen
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:26pm
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| foreverblue
wrote: | | steen
wrote: | | foreverblue
wrote: | | do you really believe that
open heart surgery and abortion are even
close, |
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that was not within the context of the
thread,do not twist my posts .Are you
saying that people choose to have heart
surgery like they do abortion or is the
scenario a bit different,are you trying to
tell me the outcome of not having an
abortion will be the same as not having
heart surgery.
Thank you |
Yes, there is the risk of a heart attack,
but then, there is also the risk of dying
from pregnancy. The risk is higher from
the heart condition, but if that is where
we go, then it is more a matter of how
high a risk we accept. If you go that
route, then we will be banning a whole lot
of medical procedures.
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steen
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Posted: 01-25-05 17:28pm
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| brianbaby
wrote: | | steen
wrote: | | foreverblue
wrote: | | do you really believe that
open heart surgery and abortion are even
close, |
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