the whole thing with
abortion is selfish. You women are
only thinking of yourselves when you do it
and all you are trying to do is get rid of
something that isn't convenient for
you.
oh, crap. I can't
believe we have to go over that again.
Even jlee had to admit how silly that
argument is. But let me help you.
Lots of kids wait to be adopted, yet you
selfishly insist on having your own kid
instead of giving a home to those already
waiting for one.
That is selfish, shame on you....
Etc.....
You were
saying...?
i'm all for adoption as
opposed to abortion. That is one of the
main arguments for prolifers:adoption vs.
Abortion.
i am also all for adoption but I don,t see
it as an easy way out.
I can,t imagine carrying a baby/fetus for
42 weeks and then being able to give it
up.
I am far to selfish for that i,m sorry to
say.
And not even close to being brave enough.
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Gero
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Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 44
Posted: 02-04-05 12:54pm
All i'm saying is that if a woman came to
me and was trying to decide between
abortion or adoption, as a prolifer, I
would encourage her to put the baby up for
adoption if she felt that she wasn't in
the right circumstances to raise it.
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FISHX
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Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 02-04-05 13:04pm
gero
wrote:
all i'm saying is that if a
woman came to me and was trying to decide
between abortion or adoption, as a
prolifer, I would encourage her to put the
baby up for adoption if she felt that she
wasn't in the right circumstances to raise
it.
i completly agree with you but just
pointing out it isn,t that easy to adopt
out a baby/fetus that you have carried for
42 weeks but that could be just me I am a
selfish coward when it comes to my kids
their mine all mine lol
i only wish that adoption was the answer
to termination.
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foreverblue
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Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 02-04-05 13:27pm
gero
wrote:
all i'm saying is that if a
woman came to me and was trying to decide
between abortion or adoption, as a
prolifer, I would encourage her to put the
baby up for adoption if she felt that she
wasn't in the right circumstances to raise
it.
not being funny or anything don,t you
think that you should really be impartial
when it comes to advising people,i know I
cannot do the job as I could,nt be
impartial
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-04-05 16:17pm
Quote:
tr>
just because the
pregnancy was considered an inconvenience
to you doesn't give you the right to take
the baby's life.
oh you bet your damn ass it does. I have
the right to my body, no one else. Not
even a tiny fetus. Sorry.
Quote:
tr>
kourtney, does
that "thing" or baby whatever you choose
to call it have a voice to stop the mother
from aborting it? No! It is at the mercy
of what the mother and abortion doctors do
to it. Doesn't that make you feel the
least bit guilty? Knowing that you are
aborting an innocent life that has no say
so in what you do to it? I think it is so
inhumane that you think that just because
you have been around for years and this
baby is a new "thing" that it doesn't have
the same rights as you do. It is still a
human life for heavens sake! I don't care
if it was conceived a month ago and you
are 46, it still has the same rights.
Just because you say it doesn't because
you want to rid yourself of the guilt of
aborting doesn't mean you are right. It's
just a convenient justification for you to
abort.
thing? Im sorry, can you show me where I
called it a thing, because if I did that
was a mistake. Its at the mercy, please.
It doesn't have a clue whats going on,
before, or after.
It doesn't have the same rights. I have
the right to decide what happens with my
body, if I don't want to go through a
pregnancy thats going to change my body, I
don't have to. No, it doesn't have the
same rights. Sorry. You're mistaken on
that one.
If I was going to abort, I would have to
be 100% sure, therefor there'd be no
"guilt." this is my opinion, don't put it
down like its garbage, this is what I
believe in and im allowed to believe in it
without being belittled by you. We've
talked about this on this board a lot. If
you're going to debate, also respect other
peoples opinions. I respect yours, I just
don't agree with it.
People who try and force their beliefs on
another person, are really only insecure
in there beliefs.
By the way, i've never had an abortion, I
have a beautiful baby girl whose 3 months
old today! But if I happened to get
pregnant again, while using birth control,
I have the choice to abort, and that my
friend, has nothing to do with you. Its
none of your buisness what someone else
does with their body.
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a1mmee
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Joined: 04 Feb 2005 Posts: 3 Location: uk
Have An Opinion - Some Women Dont Have a Choice Posted: 02-04-05 20:00pm
Hi - I read the posts and there are strong
points of view - let me tell you I had an
abortion 6 years ago, I really didnt have
a choice, I often wonder what would have
happened if I hadnt had it done. It was
the most difficult choice I had to make,
im an indian woman, pregnancy before
marraige was a no go. The boyfriend,
well of course he would support my choice
- but added 'we cant go to our
families....Blah, blah blah' he was right
and the laughable thing was I did not have
a choice. My experience was harrowing at
best. I was confused and too ashamed to
share my pregnancy details with anyone
incase it got to my parents. I did 3
checks each time knowing the result, I
went to a clinic for advise and she worked
out my dates and then proceeded in telling
me the development stage of the embryo,
stuff which threw me. Every night and
day whilst pregnant I suffered extreme
pain, so who knows I may have lost the
child. Anyway my then boyfriend bought
the best money could buy, I had the
consultations and the date was booked.
Well it was supposed to be at 830 in the
morning, but they lost my blood sample so
I had to wait. Even more worse was the
consultation on the day, I was shufled to
a room where the doc just did the old scan
thingy, no real communication, he had the
screen towards me so of course all that
stayed in my head was 8 weeks 5 days and
the blob that was my baby. I was in
shock, then it dawned on me what am I
doin?
I was then shuffled into a room where a
admin person asked for the balance, and
whether they could use the embryo for
research, I barely mustered energy to say
anything I was still in shock. I was
then taken into a room with 3 beds. By
now it was 9am and the other women in the
room had already had the 10 procedure
done. I shut myself in my area, drew the
curtain round me. As I lay there the
director of the hospital was showing
visitors around discussing the colour
schemes etc whilst I lay there trying to
think of the options I had. I had no
option, but all I could see was that blob,
my baby. I tried to convince myself that
I could runaway my parents would never
find me. By now it was 1230 so much for
the 830 procedure. I battled in my mind,
all those hours all my make believe
options - I got off my bed and walked
towards the cupboard with my clothes, I
convinced my self that I was going to see
this through, I was not gonna be judge and
jury on my baby's life. As chance would
have it the nurse came to take me, it was
now my turn. All of a sudden I was the
frightened girl I walked to the room, lay
on the bed and looked towards the clock.
Most the nurses were as chance would have
it, indian. The thought I had been
aneasthatised so began to discuss the
origins of my name and who I could be
related to. Next thing you know I lay
back in a room with a nurse telling me
they needed the bed so I was to leave, it
was only 330pm 2.5 hours after a general
aneas. I was to leave. But this was
when I knew it was too late, I sat in the
bathroom and just cried, cried at being
weak, crying at killing my baby. It will
actually be 7 years on feb 12, I have no
kids, the boyfriend ended things shortly
after, he has a kid, and always likes to
share the joys of being a father, me has
no kids, and have been told the chance is
remote. It was the hardest time of my
life, the biggest decision I had to make,
I still feel the pain of that day, I pity
any woman with no choice, because many
dont have one, regardless of the stigma
attatched. Me is laying some ghosts to
rest, I get married in 6 weeks and I
needed to put this behind me.
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sandyallen
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A1mmee Posted: 02-05-05 01:35am
We always have a choice. You cannot
worry about what others think, feel or say
about what we are or what we do, it is
your body, your choice and your right.
It is not a baby until birth(after it is
born). I am not judging you, you did
what you felt was right @ the time, things
happen for a reason, which we do not
always understand the reason. Pregnancy
before marriage is generally never good
whether you are indian, black, white,
purple or whatever but it happens, it is
apart of some peoples lives.
There is always a 50% chance of most
females becoming pregnant or anything
happening, like you said, you might have
lost that one by miscarriage, who knows.
It seems to me that you have problems with
the abortion but these problems could have
been prior to the abortion and the
procedure surfaced these problems, have
you thought about seeking counseling. A
good thing that they have now is emdr, it
takes you back to a bad past and allows
you to release this situation and it is a
great release. Please do not get me
wrong, I am not judging you or telling you
what to do, or telling you that you are
crazy, I am just trying to help you get
over this hurdle.
Sincerely,
sandy
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foreverblue
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 17 Jan 2005 Posts: 577
Posted: 02-05-05 06:16am
A1mmee I read your post and I can
understand the position you were put in.I
do understand that some women do not have
a choice due to family and faith and
cultural background,are your family devout
muslims?.
Sandyallen it is obvious from your reply
that you really do not know how the muslim
faith works,have you heard of honour
killings.These usually happen to females
of the muslim faith who *disgrace* the
family,and whilst getting pregnant before
marriage is frowned upon in most
cultures,it is a virtual death penalty for
a muslim woman.So I think that in this
case she did not have a choice.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 02-05-05 12:42pm
gero
wrote:
steen
wrote:
gero
wrote:
the whole thing with
abortion is selfish. You women are
only thinking of yourselves when you do it
and all you are trying to do is get rid of
something that isn't convenient for
you.
oh, crap. I can't
believe we have to go over that again.
Even jlee had to admit how silly that
argument is. But let me help you.
Lots of kids wait to be adopted, yet you
selfishly insist on having your own kid
instead of giving a home to those already
waiting for one.
That is selfish, shame on you....
Etc.....
You were
saying...?
i'm all for adoption as
opposed to abortion. That is one of the
main arguments for prolifers:adoption vs.
Abortion.
but you are for birth of
your own child over adopting another
child, who needs a home. That is very
selfish of you.
So again, what is it you wanted to say
about being selffish?
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 02-05-05 12:50pm
[quote="gero"]kourtney, does that "thing"
or baby whatever you choose to call it
have a voice to stop the mother from
aborting it? No!No more than
ahydatidiform mole or your fingernail
does, no.
Quote:
tr>
it is at the
mercy of what the mother and abortion
doctors do to it. Doesn't that make you
feel the least bit
guilty?
as guilty as cutting my
hair.
Quote:
tr>
knowing that you
are aborting an innocent life that has no
say so in what you do to
it?
it is using the woman's
body against her use. That makes it an
invader, a thief, a squatter. That is
not innocent.
Quote:
tr>
i think it is so
inhumane that you think that just because
you have been around for years and this
baby is a new "thing" that it doesn't have
the same rights as you
do.
i think it is inhumane
that you so much reject the right of the
woman to not be enslaved, that you allow
nonsentient tissue to have more rights
than she does.
Quote:
tr>
it is still a
human life for heavens
sake!
it is life of human
origin, just like your hair or a tumor in
your colon. It is not an individual
being, however.
Quote:
tr>
i don't care if
it was conceived a month ago and you are
46, it still has the same
rights.
no, it doesn't.
Quote:
tr>
just because you
say it doesn't because you want to rid
yourself of the guilt of aborting doesn't
mean you are
right.
guilt, what guilt? Did
you feel guilty over having a haircut?
Why not? You killed living human cells.
Shame on you, how could you.
Quote:
tr>
it's just a
convenient justification for you to
abort.
nah. No justification
is needed, other than "i don't want to be
pregnant." all the antichoice yammering
and rhetorics about the embryo or fetus is
completely irrelevant.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 02-05-05 12:59pm
gero
wrote:
all i'm saying is that if a
woman came to me and was trying to decide
between abortion or adoption, as a
prolifer, I would encourage her to put the
baby up for adoption if she felt that she
wasn't in the right circumstances to raise
it.
ah, but before,you talked
about being "selfish" for aborting. Now,
if you are not adopting that child or one
of the 100,000 kids available for adoption
right now, doesn't that make *you*
selfish?
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Gero
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 44
Posted: 02-07-05 12:10pm
[quote="steen"]
gero
wrote:
kourtney, does that "thing"
or baby whatever you choose to call it
have a voice to stop the mother from
aborting it? No!No more than
ahydatidiform mole or your fingernail
does, no.
Quote:
tr>
it is at the
mercy of what the mother and abortion
doctors do to it. Doesn't that make
you feel the least bit
guilty?
as guilty as cutting my
hair.
Quote:
tr>
knowing that you
are aborting an innocent life that has no
say so in what you do to
it?
it is using the woman's
body against her use. That makes it an
invader, a thief, a squatter. That is
not innocent.
Quote:
tr>
i think it is so
inhumane that you think that just because
you have been around for years and this
baby is a new "thing" that it doesn't have
the same rights as you
do.
i think it is inhumane
that you so much reject the right of the
woman to not be enslaved, that you allow
nonsentient tissue to have more rights
than she does.
Quote:
tr>
it is still a
human life for heavens
sake!
it is life of human
origin, just like your hair or a tumor in
your colon. It is not an individual
being, however.
Quote:
tr>
i don't care if
it was conceived a month ago and you are
46, it still has the same
rights.
no, it doesn't.
Quote:
tr>
just because you
say it doesn't because you want to rid
yourself of the guilt of aborting doesn't
mean you are
right.
guilt, what guilt? Did
you feel guilty over having a haircut?
Why not? You killed living human cells.
Shame on you, how could you.
Quote:
tr>
it's just a
convenient justification for you to
abort.
nah. No justification
is needed, other than "i don't want to be
pregnant." all the antichoice yammering
and rhetorics about the embryo or fetus is
completely
irrelevant.
steen, you inferiorate
me. How can you say that the "fetus" is
"invading" the woman's body when she had a
hand in creating it? She chose to have
sex, whether it was protected sex or not,
(but most often unprotected I bet), which
in turn can result in a pregnancy. The
fetus doesn't create itself. Give me a
break! And to compare terminating the
fetus' life to getting a haircut is
absurd! Again, I don't care what you say,
it is wrong to for a woman to terminate a
fetus' life. It's no wonder our world has
gone to hell with people like you who have
such disregard for human life and treat a
fetus like it is merely an unwanted piece
of trash.
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steen
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Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 02-07-05 14:05pm
gero
wrote:
steen, you inferiorate me.
How can you say that the "fetus" is
"invading" the woman's body when she had a
hand in creating
it?
because it does. If she
doesn't welcome it, then its presence is
an invasion. She has sex, yes. She
does not have a welcoming party for a
blastocyst. It implants without her
knowledge, support or desire for it to do
so. That is invading. If you leave
your front door open and somebody walks
in, they are still invading.
Quote:
tr>
she chose to
have sex, whether it was protected sex or
not,
irrelevant, as consent to
sex is not consent to pregnancy any more
than driving is a consent to a traffic
accident.
Quote:
tr>
(but most often
unprotected I
bet),
as I have shown before,
the last publicized study showed that 58%
of the woman who had abortions were trying
to prevent pregnancy by using
contraception.
Quote:
tr>
which in turn can
result in a
pregnancy.
a risk for an event is
not the same as a consent for an event.
Otherwise, you are back to consenting to
the traffic accident.
Quote:
tr>
the fetus doesn't
create
itself.
quite. And in an
unwanted pregnancy, the woman does not
give consent to its "creation" nor to its
implantation and use of her bodily
resources. Thus, it is using her body
against her will, just as the intruder
walking through your front door.
Quote:
tr>
give me a break!
And to compare terminating the fetus'
life to getting a haircut is
absurd!
ah, because you say so,
right? It is the removal of live, human,
nonsentient cells from your body. No
difference at all. That you place more
emotional value on one than the other,
that is your personal and special bias,
and in no way distorts the fact that both
really are nothing but live cells without
any sentient coherence to them.
Quote:
tr>
again, I don't
care what you say, it is wrong to for a
woman to terminate a fetus'
life.
ah, yes. The typical
anti-choice "because I say so" utterance.
If you don't care what the issue is, why
debate at all?
Oh, you want me to acknowledge your
reasoning but won't acknowledge mine?
Oh, but that would be hypocrisy. Are you
a hypocrite?
Quote:
tr>
it's no wonder
our world has gone to hell with people
like you who have such disregard for human
life and treat a fetus like it is merely
an unwanted piece of
trash.
ah, more "because I say
so" anti-choice crap. No, I don't "treat
a fetus like it is merely an unwanted
piece of trash." but if the woman does
not want to be pregnant, then there is no
difference to her between the embryo or
fetus on one hand and trash or even a
parasite on the other hand.
But yes, it is no wonder that our world
has gone to hell with people like you who
treat the woman as a slave whose body you
can rule and control for the sake of a
piece of non-sentient tissue.
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-07-05 19:08pm
Quote:
tr>
how can you say
that the "fetus" is "invading" the woman's
body when she had a hand in creating
it?
because if its an (caps) unwanted
pregnancy, then thats exactly what its
doing. Sorry for ya.
Quote:
tr>
she chose to have
sex
and? She didn't chose for the condom to
break. Does that mean she should be
(caps) forced to have a child she doesn't
want? And who are you to force a woman to
give birth. Thats absolutley disgusting
to me. If they're not ready for a child,
why would you force them? Can you imagine
the hatred they'd feel for that child if
they were forced to give birth to it? Can
you imagine how that child would be
raised? My friend had a baby, and was
thinking of getting an abortion, she went
there, and then left and didn't get it
done. Now shes out having sex, partying,
and doign drugs while her daughter is
living with the grandmother.
Quote:
tr>
(but most often
unprotected I bet),
don't make bets on other peoples lives
please. Thats inconsiderate.
Quote:
tr>
again, I don't
care what you say, it is wrong to for a
woman to terminate a fetus'
life
thats an opinion, not a fact. Sorry. And
you're allowed to that opinion. But I as
a (caps) woman, who would be the one faced
with having to chooe, don't think its
wrong. *big smiles*
Quote:
tr>
it's no wonder
our world has gone to hell with people
like you who have such disregard for human
life and treat a fetus like it is merely
an unwanted piece of
trash.
if you're going to debate, then do so as
an adult. Please don't throw out insults,
thats petty, and definitley not proving a
point.
Sometimes that fetus is unwanted, not a
"piece of trash" but a fetus. A woman has
the right to abort, it is legal, and even
if it wasn't it would still happen. So
believe in what you want, thats fine. But
don't insult people who think differently
then you, thats immature, and don't try
and push your opinions and beliefs on
other people because that only shows me
that you're insecure in what you believe
in. People are allowed to their opinions,
but (caps) everyone, please stop
disregarding everyones opinions because
its not yours. Thanks.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 02-08-05 04:55am
Well said kourtney I completley agree
people should n.O.T be getting personal
about the opinions of others.
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bd1012
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Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 02-08-05 10:44am
What is the deal with the whole "sex is
consent to pregnancy" bs? I don't know
about you but the fact that i'm on birth
control should give you an idea that my
womb is not up for rent. I dont' get the
shot every 3 months because I like
injections.. I do it becuase I obviously
don't want to be pregnant.. The only time
sex is consent to pregnancy is ttc sex.
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Gero
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 44
Posted: 02-08-05 13:41pm
kourtney08
wrote:
Quote:
tr>
how can you say
that the "fetus" is "invading" the woman's
body when she had a hand in creating
it?
because if its an (caps) unwanted
pregnancy, then thats exactly what its
doing. Sorry for ya.
Quote:
tr>
she chose to have
sex
and? She didn't chose for the condom to
break. Does that mean she should be
(caps) forced to have a child she doesn't
want? And who are you to force a woman
to give birth. Thats absolutley
disgusting to me. If they're not ready
for a child, why would you force them?
Can you imagine the hatred they'd feel for
that child if they were forced to give
birth to it? Can you imagine how that
child would be raised? My friend had a
baby, and was thinking of getting an
abortion, she went there, and then left
and didn't get it done. Now shes out
having sex, partying, and doign drugs
while her daughter is living with the
grandmother.
Quote:
tr>
(but most often
unprotected I bet),
don't make bets on other peoples lives
please. Thats inconsiderate.
Quote:
tr>
again, I don't
care what you say, it is wrong to for a
woman to terminate a fetus'
life
thats an opinion, not a fact. Sorry.
And you're allowed to that opinion. But
I as a (caps) woman, who would be the one
faced with having to chooe, don't think
its wrong. *big smiles*
Quote:
tr>
it's no wonder
our world has gone to hell with people
like you who have such disregard for human
life and treat a fetus like it is merely
an unwanted piece of
trash.
if you're going to debate, then do so as
an adult. Please don't throw out
insults, thats petty, and definitley not
proving a point.
Sometimes that fetus is unwanted, not a
"piece of trash" but a fetus. A woman
has the right to abort, it is legal, and
even if it wasn't it would still happen.
So believe in what you want, thats fine.
But don't insult people who think
differently then you, thats immature, and
don't try and push your opinions and
beliefs on other people because that only
shows me that you're insecure in what you
believe in. People are allowed to their
opinions, but (caps) everyone, please stop
disregarding everyones opinions because
its not yours.
Thanks.
i'm disregarding your
opinions? Deary you are contradicting
yourself because right now you are showing
no respect or regard for my personal
feelings about the immorality of abortion.
But then again, I know that you people
who favor abortion get defensive because
you want to do whatever it is you want to
without having any rules, morals, or
standards. I don't think that what I say
is immature and you are pushing your
immorality on me, so stop it! Also, it
is very immature to take the easy way out
of taking responsibility for a human life
just because it is considered an
inconvenience for you. That is like a
small child running away when he or she
doesn't want to deal with something. I
will say it again, it isn't the child's
fault that the condom broke or the
contraceptive failed, so why should it be
punished. And adoption is always an
option, but you obviously don't want to
put forth the effort to do that. I'm
very secure in my viewpoints. The only
reason I spew forth the words that I do is
because you people make me so angry the
way you have complete disregard for human
life. And another thing, people who are
prochoice are very insecure because they
try to chase anyone who is prolife off of
this board. They don't want someone on
here that actually has standards because
that makes them look bad. :roll:
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-08-05 14:28pm
Quote:
tr>
i'm disregarding
your opinions? Deary you are
contradicting yourself because right now
you are showing no respect or regard for
my personal feelings about the immorality
of abortion.
show me where i've done this please.
Then you say...
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but then again, I
know that you people who favor abortion
get defensive because you want to do
whatever it is you want to without having
any rules, morals, or
standards
hmm, looks like more insults and
asumptions. I hate it when people assume.
You only make an ass out of yourself.
I have morals and standars. My morals
tell me that I shouldn't but my nose into
places they don't belong. That means
telling a woman what she should do with
(caps) her body. I think men that try and
force woman to go through with abortions
are controlling, and abusive. Period.
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I don't think
that what I say is immature and you are
pushing your immorality on me, so stop
it!
oh grow up. You were being immature,
you're making assumptions instead of
trying to say you're opinion, you're
making pro-lifers look really bad, and I
know they're some good ones here. So you
stop!
[quote]also, it is very immature to take
the easy way out of taking responsibility
for a human life[quote]
actually no, its not immature in the
slightest. Do you realize how hard of a
choice it is to make? Easy my ass. Its
easy for a man to sit back and force a
woman to go through an unwanted pregnancy
too.
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that is like a
small child running away when he or she
doesn't want to deal with
something
thats like saying "abortion is like
getting a haircut" no, im sorry, you're
wrong. You obviously know nothing about
abortion.
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i will say it
again, it isn't the child's fault that the
condom broke or the contraceptive
failed
and? It isn't the womans fault, and it
was her body first. Get over it.
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and adoption is
always an
option
not for a woman who doesn't want to carry
a baby in (caps) her body for 9 months.
Adoption.. I hate it when people use
that. How many kids are in the foster
care system right now? And how many
selfish people are on a waiting list to
adopt little babies? Im sorry, but im not
a baby making machine for selfish people
who wont adopt the children already in
foster homes. Sorry for ya! (caps)
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i'm very secure
in my
viewpoints
well bully for you. Im very secure in
mine also.
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the only reason I
spew forth the words that I do is because
you people make me so angry the way you
have complete disregard for human
life.
are we using this argument again? Please,
think of something new. Like I said, when
you assume, you make an ass out of you and
me.
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and another
thing, people who are prochoice are very
insecure because they try to chase anyone
who is prolife off of this
board
wow, your post is full of assumptions.
Come on, a post full of assumptions is not
proving anything. I am no where near
insecure, and im not trying to chase
anyone off, im stating my opinion and if
that makes some poor little lifer cry and
run off then frankly I don't give a hot
damn.
The difference between pro-choice, and
pro-life people is pro-choice people will
sit back until somethings said about
abortion, they don't go around pushing
their beliefs on other people. Because
they feel woman should have the choice to
do what they will with their unwanted
pregnancy. Lifers try and force you to do
something you don't want. Pushy
controlling people.
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they don't want
someone on here that actually has
standards because that makes them look
bad
can you for have atleast one sentence that
actually has a fact in it? Please don't
assume caca about a bunch of people that
you don't know just because they don't
agree with you. Thats beyond petty and
immature. I have standards. I don't try
and force other people to do something
they don't want, I worry about my own life
instead of sitting at a computer all day
worrying about whose getting an abortion
and how I can stop them.
You're not going to change my mind, and im
not going to change yours, so lets please
stop assuming caca like I have no morals
and standards because I don't butt into
peoples lives and tell them what they
should do with their unwanted pregnancy.
You need to be worrying about yourself. I
find it funn that you spend so much time
worrying about other people and what
they're doing.
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-08-05 14:30pm
I think men that try and force woman to go
through with abortions are controlling,
and abusive. Period.
I meant to say I think men who try and
force a woman to go through a pregnancy
she doesn't want are abusive, and
controlling.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 02-08-05 14:35pm
kourtney08
wrote:
i think men that try and
force woman to go through with abortions
are controlling, and abusive. Period.
I meant to say I think men who try and
force a woman to go through a pregnancy
she doesn't want are abusive, and
controlling.