Kourtney's statement*****she still has
control over *her* body.********
we really don't have control over our
bodies...Noone has total control over
their body.
Why should she get to *control* her body
when it's taking away the right for
another to control theirs? The baby won't
be able to control it's body because it's
dead...How is that right?....The little
girl that is aborted will not have
*reproductive rights*.
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 02-02-05 10:17am
Sigh.. I'm not going to refrain from sex
so that I don't do something that you have
a problem with and not i.. Sorry.. Get
that through your head..
It's like talking to a wall.. How many
times have I said the above?
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 02-02-05 10:32am
Well then why even bother telling us to do
it if you don't expect us to? Do you
like wasting your time making pointless
commands that you know no one will do or
what?
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bd1012
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
Posted: 02-02-05 12:23pm
How was I complaing about the discussion?
Sigh... Nvm... It doesn't matter.
This place is exhausting..I probably won't
be around here much.
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-02-05 13:13pm
Quote:
right....Rare
that it fails, but yes..It does. And
woman are aware of this right? Therefore,
going into the situation the woman should
realize "hey, this could fail and I could
get pregnant"! It' just something that
should be made note of and accepted if it
happens. Otherwise, refrain from sex.
People always love when I or someone says
this but the statement really is black and
white.
rare? So rare that I know about 20 people
who've gotten pregnant while on some form
of birth control. The one and only 100%
contraceptive, is abstinence. And if
there are middle aged woman out there
using contraceptives, to prevent a
pregnancy they don't want, and they happen
to get pregnant, i'll march there asses
right down to the abortion clinic. So
jilee, let me give you this scenario, a 34
year old woman, and her husband don't want
kids, ever. So they're using birth
control, and condoms, she happens to get
pregnant. So that 34 year old woman
should never have sex with her husband
because bc fails? I think thats
absolutley ridiculous. But ok.
The statement is really an opinion.
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-02-05 14:09pm
Sorry, I could careless what you think.
You're proving your immaturity everyday.
You're 27 years old fighting with a 19
year old, whos tried ending it many many
times but you come back with more
immature, and rude comments.
As I told you before, im not going to read
your looooong, pathetic, drawn out posts
trying to prove something, I don't know
what.
I don't get it. I'd never write such a
looong post to someone I didn't care for.
But whatever, cool for you I guess. ;)
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-02-05 14:10pm
Jilee- I apologize. I thought this was a
different board, and this was a different
post. I thought this was a post about me,
not abortion. I apologize again. I just
don't read such long posts so I didn't
even look at it until it popped back up
and I glanced at it.
I'll respond to it after I read it through
now..
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 02-02-05 14:13pm
Kourtney thank you :d
you proved my point all a long none of you
are really how you come across to each
other if that makes any sense :wink:
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-02-05 14:14pm
Quote:
that's very
unfortunate for those 20. I hear more and
more about bc failing these days and it's
hard to believe! It's actually shocking
if you ask me. I was on the pill for 12
years and never got pregnant, thank god.
So my opinion of the bc pill was that it
was always a god-sent! Well, I would hope
you wouldn't march their a.Ss to the
abortion clinic if they didn't want to
abort!!! (joke to lighten the mood).
The answer to your question about the 34
year old is yes and no, and i'll explain:
good that she is using 2 forms of bc and
chances are, she won't get pregnant. I
still believe the pill is a god-sent.
Call it personal experience. If she does
become pregnant....Than I feel she should
do everything in her power to accept it
and work her life around it. She isn't 15
w/a crush that's going to scream "oh no"
and run away. This is a m.A.N and a
w.O.M.A.N. People have to do things to
adjust to life all the time. I do not
think a child should be aborted because it
was "preferred" not to have been created.
It's not fair at all. The baby/fetus has
no way to defend him/herself. So if that
woman were to ask me what you did and told
me flat out i'm on bc pill and using a
condom and I know it could fail but if it
does, i'm aborting. I would tell her that
in my o.P.I.N.I.O.N she should refrain
from sex but obviously in no way could I
make her do so. Of course, it's her
choice and she has a right to her
choice.
no, I would never tell someone to get an
abortion if they didn't want to! Lol.
I agree that a man, and woman who don't
want to get pregnant, and acidentally do
should think it through first. If they
know they're not ready for a baby, then
atleast they have that choice, and they
were doing everything to prevent it.
I was on the pill but woke up in the
middle of the night with hot sweats,
shaking, and throwing up. I literally
freaked out in the middle of the night, it
made me go crazy! So I got on the depo
shot, was on that for 3 years..That worked
wonders. I got off the shot in february
2002, and I got pregnant february 2003.
Now I have a beautiful little girl, and im
back on the depo shot.. It seems to be
working differently for me then it did
before. I guess it could be because my
body changed after having kylie.
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Gero
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 44
Posted: 02-03-05 12:17pm
steen
wrote:
gero
wrote:
p.S.--if a woman doesn't
want to be pregnant, then she should start
taking the responsibility to use
contraception instead of being lazy and
using abortion as her means of birth
control. You people are always harping
about women having control over their own
bodies, but they don't seem to exercise
their control when it comes to using
contraception to prevent unwanted
pregnancies.
as 58% of women who abort
were using contraception, you are clearly
speaking out your
as.
i don't buy it steen.
Perfect example of prochoicers distorting
the truth to benefit themselves. If the
rate of contraceptive failure was really
that high, then manufacturers of it
wouldn't have it on the market. The
reason that the majority of unwanted
pregnancies happen is because of women not
even bothering to use contraception, not
being consistent about using it, which
means they use it whenever they feel like
it, or thinking that something like the
"pull out" method is going to work.
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Gero
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 44
Posted: 02-03-05 12:27pm
kourtney08
wrote:
Quote:
p.S.--if a woman
doesn't want to be pregnant, then she
should start taking the responsibility to
use contraception instead of being lazy
and using abortion as her means of birth
control. You people are always harping
about women having control over their own
bodies, but they don't seem to exercise
their control when it comes to using
contraception to prevent unwanted
pregnancies.
so what about the woman that did us bc?
Do you think its okay for them to get one
since they weren't lazy and were taking
precautions? Probably not. But see, bc
fails, everyday, and everyday those woman
are faced with an unplanned, unwanted
pregnancy, and if they were doing
everything they could to prevent it, then
they shouldn't have to go through a
pregnancy they didn't want, didn't plan,
and was doing everything to prevent.
Whether or not a woman uses birth control
or not, she still has control over *her*
body. Its not like "oh well woman who
don't use birth control don't get to
decide what happens to their bodies."
thats
ridiculous.
all i'm saying is that I
simply do not believe that so many of
these unplanned pregnancies were the
result of contraceptive failure. Sure,
accidents happen, and contraception can
fail, but if the rate of failure was that
high, honestly, why would it be on the
market if it didn't work? And if a woman
does take precautions and happens to get
pregnant, why should the baby suffer by
being aborted? It still isn't the baby's
fault that the contraceptive failed. You
women who are prochoice treat the "fetus",
"thing", "mass of cells" whatever you want
to call it like a piece of trash that
doesn't have any rights. Just because the
pregnancy was considered an inconvenience
to you doesn't give you the right to take
the baby's life. The whole thing with
abortion is selfish. You women are only
thinking of yourselves when you do it and
all you are trying to do is get rid of
something that isn't convenient for you.
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 02-03-05 12:28pm
gero
wrote:
steen
wrote:
gero
wrote:
p.S.--if a woman doesn't
want to be pregnant, then she should start
taking the responsibility to use
contraception instead of being lazy and
using abortion as her means of birth
control. You people are always
harping about women having control over
their own bodies, but they don't seem to
exercise their control when it comes to
using contraception to prevent unwanted
pregnancies.
as 58% of women who abort
were using contraception, you are clearly
speaking out your
as.
i don't buy it steen.
Perfect example of prochoicers distorting
the truth to benefit themselves. If the
rate of contraceptive failure was really
that high, then manufacturers of it
wouldn't have it on the market. The
reason that the majority of unwanted
pregnancies happen is because of women not
even bothering to use contraception, not
being consistent about using it, which
means they use it whenever they feel like
it, or thinking that something like the
"pull out" method is going to
work.
gero sorry chick I am anti termination but
I have to dissagree with you on this I had
2 of my children whilst using birth
control not that i,m saying that that is
an excuse to terminate but birth control
failure is quiet common
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 02-03-05 12:28pm
gero
wrote:
steen
wrote:
gero
wrote:
p.S.--if a woman doesn't
want to be pregnant, then she should start
taking the responsibility to use
contraception instead of being lazy and
using abortion as her means of birth
control. You people are always
harping about women having control over
their own bodies, but they don't seem to
exercise their control when it comes to
using contraception to prevent unwanted
pregnancies.
as 58% of women who abort
were using contraception, you are clearly
speaking out your
as.
i don't buy it steen.
Perfect example of prochoicers distorting
the truth to benefit themselves. If the
rate of contraceptive failure was really
that high, then manufacturers of it
wouldn't have it on the market. The
reason that the majority of unwanted
pregnancies happen is because of women not
even bothering to use contraception, not
being consistent about using it, which
means they use it whenever they feel like
it, or thinking that something like the
"pull out" method is going to
work.
gero sorry chick I am anti termination but
I have to dissagree with you on this I had
2 of my children whilst using birth
control not that i,m saying that that is
an excuse to terminate but birth control
failure is quiet common
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FISHX
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 27 Dec 2004 Posts: 920 Location: UK
Posted: 02-03-05 12:29pm
gero
wrote:
steen
wrote:
gero
wrote:
p.S.--if a woman doesn't
want to be pregnant, then she should start
taking the responsibility to use
contraception instead of being lazy and
using abortion as her means of birth
control. You people are always
harping about women having control over
their own bodies, but they don't seem to
exercise their control when it comes to
using contraception to prevent unwanted
pregnancies.
as 58% of women who abort
were using contraception, you are clearly
speaking out your
as.
i don't buy it steen.
Perfect example of prochoicers distorting
the truth to benefit themselves. If the
rate of contraceptive failure was really
that high, then manufacturers of it
wouldn't have it on the market. The
reason that the majority of unwanted
pregnancies happen is because of women not
even bothering to use contraception, not
being consistent about using it, which
means they use it whenever they feel like
it, or thinking that something like the
"pull out" method is going to
work.
gero sorry chick I am anti termination but
I have to dissagree with you on this I had
2 of my children whilst using birth
control not that i,m saying that that is
an excuse to terminate but birth control
failure is quiet common
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 02-03-05 13:13pm
gero
wrote:
steen
wrote:
gero
wrote:
p.S.--if a woman doesn't
want to be pregnant, then she should start
taking the responsibility to use
contraception instead of being lazy and
using abortion as her means of birth
control. You people are always
harping about women having control over
their own bodies, but they don't seem to
exercise their control when it comes to
using contraception to prevent unwanted
pregnancies.
as 58% of women who abort
were using contraception, you are clearly
speaking out your
as.
i don't buy it steen.
Perfect example of prochoicers distorting
the truth to benefit
themselves.
of course you don't buy
it. You are a prolifer, and as such,
your wishful thinking is seen as fact
regardless of the evidenec. Evidence
that I have posted before. But specially
for you, i'll repost it:
http://www
.Cdc.Gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss4911a1.Ht
m
Quote:
a reduction of
unintended pregnancy, and thus abortion,
will require several complex strategies.
In a study of abortion patients conducted
in 1994 and 1995, 58% of patients reported
that they "currently used" contraception
during the month of their last menstrual
period; however, their use of
contraception might have been inconsistent
or incorrect (26).
...
(26) henshaw sk, kost k. Abortion
patients in 1994--1995: characteristics
and contraceptive use. Fam plann perspect
1996;28:140--58.
so you don't buy it. I
am distorting the truth? Really? Care
to appologize? Nah, of course not, you
are a radical prolifer, they don't
appologize.
Quote:
if the rate of
contraceptive failure was really that
high, then manufacturers of it wouldn't
have it on the
market.
how silly of you. Rate
of failure is around 1-10% in a year, it
just happens that so many of thos who
abort do so because of contraceptive
failure. Any other silly claims you want
to make?
Quote:
the reason that
the majority of unwanted pregnancies
happen is because of women not even
bothering to use
contraception,
as I just showed, that
is outright false.
Quote:
not being
consistent about using
it,
that could be, or they
didn't use it correctly.
Quote:
which means they
use it whenever they feel like
it,
another unsubstantiated
"because I say so" prolife postulation.
The data reports that the use may be
inconsistent. It doesn't support your
wild fantasy about it being whenever they
felt like it, so your silly and
unwarranted attempt at demonizing them is
thus exposed in all its dishonesty.
Quote:
or thinking that
something like the "pull out" method is
going to
work.
and again, the data
directly contradicts that falsehood.
So again, what is it you claim about
contraceptive use that is actually true?
None of it?
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steen
Extremely EHEALTHy
Joined: 18 Nov 2004 Posts: 1797 Location: Upper Midwest
Posted: 02-03-05 13:16pm
gero
wrote:
the whole thing with
abortion is selfish. You women are only
thinking of yourselves when you do it and
all you are trying to do is get rid of
something that isn't convenient for
you.
oh, crap. I can't
believe we have to go over that again.
Even jlee had to admit how silly that
argument is. But let me help you. Lots
of kids wait to be adopted, yet you
selfishly insist on having your own kid
instead of giving a home to those already
waiting for one.
That is selfish, shame on you....
Etc.....
You were saying...?
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Kourtney08
Active User, Really EHEALTHy
Joined: 08 May 2004 Posts: 937 Location: Alaska
Posted: 02-03-05 14:10pm
Quote:
why should the
baby suffer by being
aborted?
why should the woman suffer through a 40
week pregnancy that she doesn't want to go
through? The woman has been alive for
years, and years. This baby pops up and
gets more rights to her body then she
does? I think not.
[quote]just because the pregnancy was
considered an inconvenience to you doesn't
give you the right to take the baby's
life. [quote]
actually, as it is my body, it certainly
does give me the right to abort, if I so
happen to choose that.
You don't know about every womans
situation, and why they got an abortion,
so I don't know why you're sitting here
saying "all you woman are
selfish"..Please, get a grip.
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Gero
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 44
Posted: 02-04-05 12:43pm
steen
wrote:
gero
wrote:
steen
wrote:
gero
wrote:
p.S.--if a woman doesn't
want to be pregnant, then she should start
taking the responsibility to use
contraception instead of being lazy and
using abortion as her means of birth
control. You people are always
harping about women having control over
their own bodies, but they don't seem to
exercise their control when it comes to
using contraception to prevent unwanted
pregnancies.
as 58% of women who abort
were using contraception, you are clearly
speaking out your
as.
i don't buy it steen.
Perfect example of prochoicers distorting
the truth to benefit
themselves.
of course you don't buy
it. You are a prolifer, and as such,
your wishful thinking is seen as fact
regardless of the evidenec. Evidence
that I have posted before. But
specially for you, i'll repost it:
http://www
.Cdc.Gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/ss4911a1.Ht
m
Quote:
a reduction of
unintended pregnancy, and thus abortion,
will require several complex strategies.
In a study of abortion patients conducted
in 1994 and 1995, 58% of patients reported
that they "currently used" contraception
during the month of their last menstrual
period; however, their use of
contraception might have been inconsistent
or incorrect (26).
...
(26) henshaw sk, kost k. Abortion
patients in 1994--1995: characteristics
and contraceptive use. Fam plann
perspect 1996;28:140--58.
so you don't buy it. I
am distorting the truth? Really?
Care to appologize? Nah, of course not,
you are a radical prolifer, they don't
appologize.
Quote:
if the rate of
contraceptive failure was really that
high, then manufacturers of it wouldn't
have it on the
market.
how silly of you. Rate
of failure is around 1-10% in a year, it
just happens that so many of thos who
abort do so because of contraceptive
failure. Any other silly claims you
want to make?
Quote:
the reason that
the majority of unwanted pregnancies
happen is because of women not even
bothering to use
contraception,
as I just showed, that
is outright false.
Quote:
not being
consistent about using
it,
that could be, or they
didn't use it correctly.
Quote:
which means they
use it whenever they feel like
it,
another unsubstantiated
"because I say so" prolife postulation.
The data reports that the use may be
inconsistent. It doesn't support your
wild fantasy about it being whenever they
felt like it, so your silly and
unwarranted attempt at demonizing them is
thus exposed in all its dishonesty.
Quote:
or thinking that
something like the "pull out" method is
going to
work.
and again, the data
directly contradicts that falsehood.
So again, what is it you claim about
contraceptive use that is actually true?
None of it?
i was right about one
thing that you can't argue, steen, and
that is in your "evidence" it states that
some women admitted to being inconsistent
about using birth control, hence my
statement about women using contraception
whenever they feel like it. And how can
you prove that these women were actually
telling the truth when they said that they
were using contraception? Some of them
may have lied about it just because they
are ashamed that they are so irresponsible
and want to cover up their
irresponsibility by disguising it as
contraceptive failure, particularly if
they are at an age where they are old
enough to know better. So your 58% means
nothing if you can't prove that these
women were definately honest about their
contraceptive use or lack of use thereof.
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Gero
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 44
Posted: 02-04-05 12:45pm
steen
wrote:
gero
wrote:
the whole thing with
abortion is selfish. You women are only
thinking of yourselves when you do it and
all you are trying to do is get rid of
something that isn't convenient for
you.
oh, crap. I can't
believe we have to go over that again.
Even jlee had to admit how silly that
argument is. But let me help you.
Lots of kids wait to be adopted, yet you
selfishly insist on having your own kid
instead of giving a home to those already
waiting for one.
That is selfish, shame on you....
Etc.....
You were
saying...?
i'm all for adoption as
opposed to abortion. That is one of the
main arguments for prolifers:adoption vs.
Abortion.
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Gero
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 02 Dec 2004 Posts: 44
Posted: 02-04-05 12:50pm
[quote="kourtney08"]
Quote:
why should the
baby suffer by being
aborted?
why should the woman suffer through a 40
week pregnancy that she doesn't want to go
through? The woman has been alive for
years, and years. This baby pops up and
gets more rights to her body then she
does? I think not.
[quote]just because the pregnancy was
considered an inconvenience to you doesn't
give you the right to take the baby's
life.
Quote:
actually, as it is my body, it certainly
does give me the right to abort, if I so
happen to choose that.
You don't know about every womans
situation, and why they got an abortion,
so I don't know why you're sitting here
saying "all you woman are
selfish"..Please, get a
grip.
kourtney, does that
"thing" or baby whatever you choose to
call it have a voice to stop the mother
from aborting it? No! It is at the
mercy of what the mother and abortion
doctors do to it. Doesn't that make you
feel the least bit guilty? Knowing that
you are aborting an innocent life that has
no say so in what you do to it? I think
it is so inhumane that you think that just
because you have been around for years and
this baby is a new "thing" that it doesn't
have the same rights as you do. It is
still a human life for heavens sake! I
don't care if it was conceived a month ago
and you are 46, it still has the same
rights. Just because you say it doesn't
because you want to rid yourself of the
guilt of aborting doesn't mean you are
right. It's just a convenient
justification for you to abort.
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