Abortion Debate Forum

SamiNSunisMa

replied on January 18th, 2005

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Haha sorry the 3rd world country was my comment, steen made it sound like it was... :roll:
dont get me started on the ira-england stuff I hate monarchy period.

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FISHX

replied on January 18th, 2005

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Hello

Hi forevera blue not everyone on here are idiots honest just steen welcom to the board.

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bd1012

replied on January 18th, 2005

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Jeez.. Why do people think that because we are prochoice, we hate kids.. I don't hate kids I just want my freakin rights.. Whether or not I do have an abortion for an unplanned pregnancy is irrelevant.. The choice must be available. Hell, I might have a kid one day down the road.. That's still a big if though.. Really not sure on that one.

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FISHX

replied on January 18th, 2005

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Hello

I do,nt think he said you hate kids bd he was just introducing himself to the board.

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bd1012

replied on January 18th, 2005

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It was implied. The way he was talking about a child's laughter and all.. Made it sound like we cringe at that.. Nvm. Welcome to the board.

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foreverblue

replied on January 18th, 2005

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bd1012 wrote:

it was implied. The way he was talking about a child's laughter and all.. Made it sound like we cringe at that.. Nvm. Welcome to the board.

excuse me but I never said nor did I imply that anybody hated kids,and how can anyone cringe at a childs laughter.Anyway that aside thanks for the welcome even if one or two were a bit wierd lol

congratulations jlee on your little boy,half way there girl nice one,bet you cant wait now

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msrosie

replied on January 18th, 2005

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Welcome.

If you don't like abortion, the solution is simple - don't have one. However, I see absolutely nothing wrong with it. I do not see children in the same way you do - and since I have no desire to have them, I won't.

Rosie

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steen

replied on January 18th, 2005

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Re: Hello

foreverblue wrote:

hi foreverblue here just a quick intro of my self so everyone knows who and what I am.Im staunchly prolife

you have that right.

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and always will be,i believe it is a child not anything else that you would call it.

you have the right to believe that, just as you have the right to believe any other falsehood you can deram off. You have the right to believe that the earth is flat. You have th right to believe that there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. You have the right to believe that a zygote is a "child." you have a right ot believe all those things. But just don't claim it to be a fact, because that would be a falsehood.

But I trust that you know the difference between professing a belief and making an actual claim.

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i think there is nothing better in this world than the sound of a childs laughter

so you are actively fighting to feed and hydrate the 40 mill children who die worldwide from malnutrition and diarrhea? Good, welcome to the club. Oxfam is a good place to start, in case you have never heard of this enormous problem.

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or the look of joy on thier little faces come xmas morn.

except, of course, if they live in households where they are abused and where any holiday means that mom or dad is around even more than normal to pester and abuse them.

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i also believe that through better education about birth control and better birth control we can reduce the need for abortion.

i agree completely. The only way to reduce the number of abortions is through better contraception or through better support of expecting women and young mothers. The opposition to contraception and the availability of said is the height of hypocricy. I am glad we agree that those who oppose the availability of good contraception and knowledge thereoff are harming the prolife cause.

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i personaly cant see why anyone would want to get rid of a baby they dont detract from a persons life they enrich it.

and thus, abortions clearly are not for you, and you really shouldn't have one. On the other hand, it also means that you really don't have a clue about the situations facing the women who *do* want an abortion, and as such you really don't know enough about them to pass judgement on their situation.

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as I said I am english and very patriotic so I feel compelled to write this steen I find your comments offensive and consider them racist,

ah, yes ndeed. You mean, just like the posts directed at me, right? Be careful of not just falling into the simplistic "prolife is always good and prochoice is always bad" model. That will merely garner you a reputation of hypocricy.

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can you please explain just what you are accusing the british army of pal.

shooting unarmed civilians, including little kids, and sometimes end up killing kids when they shoot their rubber bullets into the crowds.

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the ira killed hundreds of people in the bad years of sectarionism and most of the crimes were commited on mainland britain,such as planting bombs in shopping centres set to explode on a saturday morning the day before mothering sunday when it is full of children and fathers buying presents.

i agree completely, and I believe the number actually was in the thousands. They also were shooting and bombing unarmed civilians, including little kids, and sometimes end up killing kids . I never said that ira was not murdering people, did I now. I merely pointed out that megamoron while attacking others have no reason to play the saint.

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are you also trying to say that we are not a part of the civilised world,

nope, I am pointing out that you are in a civil war.

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ummm weve been around for thousands of years pal not a couple of hundred

duh! Yes, I know. Of course, coming from denmark, my cultural background is even older. ;-)

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SamiNSunisMa

replied on January 18th, 2005

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" agree completely, and I believe the number actually was in the thousands. They also were shooting and bombing unarmed civilians, including little kids, and sometimes end up killing kids . I never said that ira was not not a nice acting people, did I now. I merely pointed out that megamoron while attacking others have no reason to play the saint. "

then neither are american soldiers accidentally bombing elderly facilities, if we have such great technology we should use it well or give it to a country who can handle it

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steen

replied on January 18th, 2005

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foreverblue wrote:

,and how can anyone cringe at a childs laughter

some do. Again, if this is so unimaginable for you, that is a clear sign that you really can't connect with why these women want to abort, and as such, you really can't speak for them or decide for them. As long as they are the experts in their own life and you are not, then it really is themselves that are the best ones to make decisions about their lives, and you then also is woefully unable to make informed decisions about their lives and bodies and what they have to endure for your moral persuasions.

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steen

replied on January 18th, 2005

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saminsunisma wrote:

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" agree completely, and I believe the number actually was in the thousands. They also were shooting and bombing unarmed civilians, including little kids, and sometimes end up killing kids . I never said that ira was not not a nice acting people, did I now. I merely pointed out that megamoron while attacking others have no reason to play the saint. "

then neither are american soldiers accidentally bombing elderly facilities,

agreed. I never claimed otherwise.

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if we have such great technology we should use it well or give it to a country who can handle it

perhaps, except if that country is actively oppressing others with those weapons.

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mom2trevor

replied on January 18th, 2005

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Foreverblue--glad to have you here!

Hope you'll stick around...This place can get nasty sometimes!

Just watch out for a few (i'm sure you know) they aren't so bright and they like to attack people that don't cower to them.

Anyway--welcome

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foreverblue

replied on January 19th, 2005

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Re: Hello

steen wrote:

foreverblue wrote:

hi foreverblue here just a quick intro of my self so everyone knows who and what I am.Im staunchly prolife

you have that right.

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what do you mean by that comment,please explain.
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and always will be,i believe it is a child not anything else that you would call it.

you have the right to believe that, just as you have the right to believe any other falsehood you can deram off. You have the right to believe that the earth is flat. You have th right to believe that there is a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow. You have the right to believe that a zygote is a "child." you have a right ot believe all those things. But just don't claim it to be a fact, because that would be a falsehood.

But I trust that you know the difference between professing a belief and making an actual claim.

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yes I do know the difference between belief and facts,please dont take me for a mug or assume I am stupid or a liar just because I dont agree with you.My belief that a fetus is a baby is set in fact ,fetus is from the latin word meang little one or young child,calling it a zef or zygote is just a prochoice ploy to dehumanize it.No matter what you want to call it,it will not make it anymore acceptable to the general public.
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i think there is nothing better in this world than the sound of a childs laughter

so you are actively fighting to feed and hydrate the 40 mill children who die worldwide from malnutrition and diarrhea? Good, welcome to the club. Oxfam is a good place to start, in case you have never heard of this enormous problem.

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have you never heard of band aid,i give what I can but I do volunteer work at the local shop.So where was the need for the sarcasm
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or the look of joy on thier little faces come xmas morn.

except, of course, if they live in households where they are abused and where any holiday means that mom or dad is around even more than normal to pester and abuse them.

------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ -the nspcc is working as hard as it can to protect those children,should my children not feel joy because someone is abusing a child
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i also believe that through better education about birth control and better birth control we can reduce the need for abortion.

i agree completely. The only way to reduce the number of abortions is through better contraception or through better support of expecting women and young mothers. The opposition to contraception and the availability of said is the height of hypocricy. I am glad we agree that those who oppose the availability of good contraception and knowledge thereoff are harming the prolife cause.

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there are three ways to reduce abortions
1 outright ban on abortion {wont work woman will still seek them out via either dodgy doctors or travell to another country:ie ireland and england}
2 outright ban on sex {stick me on a stage with this joke,more deaths than ever due to both abortions and births both of which would be illegal,due to the outright ban on sex}before you accuse me of anything I dont find women dying to be a laughing matter,thankyou.
3 the only real workable way better education on sex and birth control,better forms of birth control{it is free in england}as you say more support for young mothers and for people who have or wish to have an abortion.
Yes I do agree that to oppose birth control is to not take responsibility for your arguments,how else do they expect it to be reduced.
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i personaly cant see why anyone would want to get rid of a baby they dont detract from a persons life they enrich it.

and thus, abortions clearly are not for you, and you really shouldn't have one. On the other hand, it also means that you really don't have a clue about the situations facing the women who *do* want an abortion, and as such you really don't know enough about them to pass judgement on their situation.

------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ -i have never nor will I ever pass judgement on anyone,and as this is a debate forum I dont expect I will ever be in the position to judge anyone
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as I said I am english and very patriotic so I feel compelled to write this steen I find your comments offensive and consider them racist,

ah, yes ndeed. You mean, just like the posts directed at me, right? Be careful of not just falling into the simplistic "prolife is always good and prochoice is always bad" model. That will merely garner you a reputation of hypocricy.

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can you please explain just what you are accusing the british army of pal.

shooting unarmed civilians, including little kids, and sometimes end up killing kids when they shoot their rubber bullets into the crowds.

------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ -i really dont care whether you are pro choice pro life or pro doing it alien that comment was racially offensive,no where can I see anyone accusing you of torturing iraqi prisoners of war.Rubber bullets were designed to injure not kill where is your documentation that a british soldier has killed a child using a rubber bullet,or do you always throw baseless accusations about.
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the ira killed hundreds of people in the bad years of sectarionism and most of the crimes were commited on mainland britain,such as planting bombs in shopping centres set to explode on a saturday morning the day before mothering sunday when it is full of children and fathers buying presents.

i agree completely, and I believe the number actually was in the thousands. They also were shooting and bombing unarmed civilians, including little kids, and sometimes end up killing kids . I never said that ira was not not a nice acting people, did I now. I merely pointed out that megamoron while attacking others have no reason to play the saint.

------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ -i read his post he was stating that you called him a coward without basis as he was a serving british soldier and served two tours in northern ireland I have to agree he is no coward,where was he playing the saint,i dont think any soldier either british or american would like to be called a coward.Have you served in the forces?
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are you also trying to say that we are not a part of the civilised world,

nope, I am pointing out that you are in a civil war.

------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------------ -please check your facts before posting such rubbish it was not a civil war,it was a terrorist war and a religious one{how can religion be used as an excuse to kill}
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ummm weve been around for thousands of years pal not a couple of hundred

duh! Yes, I know. Of course, coming from denmark, my cultural background is even older. ;-)

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so please do not impunge the british army without proof and even then unless you have been there you cant make any comment.

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foreverblue

replied on January 19th, 2005

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steen wrote:

foreverblue wrote:

,and how can anyone cringe at a childs laughter

some do. Again, if this is so unimaginable for you, that is a clear sign that you really can't connect with why these women want to abort, and as such, you really can't speak for them or decide for them. As long as they are the experts in their own life and you are not, then it really is themselves that are the best ones to make decisions about their lives, and you then also is woefully unable to make informed decisions about their lives and bodies and what they have to endure for your moral persuasions.

no steen as I have already stated I cannot understand why someone would want a termination,i wont lie and say I do I believe in being upfront and honest.I dont make decisions for anyone but myself{and my children when they cant}nor do I prfess to speak for them,i assume thats your job.
The goverment make the decisions not me or you
are you saying that I cannot make an informed decision about abortion,why?

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lil_blaze2004

replied on January 19th, 2005

Supporter

Re: Hello

[quote="steen]
shooting unarmed civilians, including little kids, and sometimes end up killing kids when they shoot their rubber bullets into the crowds.

Doesn't the american army do the same thing???? No offense to my pals down south of the border....

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msrosie

replied on January 19th, 2005

Experienced User

foreverblue wrote:

no steen as I have already stated I cannot understand why someone would want a termination,

i don't understand why anyone would want to birth.

Rosie

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FISHX

replied on January 19th, 2005

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msrosie wrote:

foreverblue wrote:

no steen as I have already stated I cannot understand why someone would want a termination,

i don't understand why anyone would want to birth.

Rosie

then I really do feel for you rosie.

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SamiNSunisMa

replied on January 19th, 2005

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Re: Hello

lil_blaze2004 wrote:

[quote="steen]
shooting unarmed civilians, including little kids, and sometimes end up killing kids when they shoot their rubber bullets into the crowds.

Doesn't the american army do the same thing???? No offense to my pals down south of the border....

actually they do and sometimes they use real bullets ask this teen who got shot, some say in the back by cops

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bd1012

replied on January 19th, 2005

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What makes you think that its' sad? Not everyone wants to go through childbirth and there is nothing wrong with that. Nothing at all. Now go ahead and insult us both with everything under the sun because of how we feel.. We know you want to.

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