Anyone Had Experience With a Lover Actually Changing? Posted: 01-04-05 14:06pm
I've had a hard time with a man I love, I
mean a real hard time. He's been
depressed which isn't the big deal for me,
I mean I can support him with it. It's
that he becomes destructive of the
relationship and shuts down. It's not a
physical abuse thing but he becomes
emotionally abusive when he is severely
depressed. He does go to therapy and
takes medication but they haven't had much
luck. I realized he has a personality
problem and must decide, like an alcoholic
needs to decide, to face the trauma that
is causing him to blow up his
relationships--in other words, to feel his
pain instead of causing pain to himself
and others. He admits that he does this
but seemed content to remain stuck in
it.
So I did the only thing I could, and I
separated from him, it hurts because we
could have so much together. Unless he
sees his problem...And what do I mean by
problem you might say? One example,
christmas eve I was making dinner, getting
ready to spend the evening with him after
he'd been staying at my place for several
days. He came downstairs after sleeping
most of the day--that's what he does when
he is depressed. He said he was going to
the store and did I want anything. I was
''slaving over a hot stove'' making sauce
for a lasagna. I asked for some milk.
He said ok and went out.
He called about an hour an a half later
and told me he was not coming back to
spend the night with me, because he was
miserable. I was devastated--he knew i'd
worked hard on the dinner, and that I did
not go to my family's on christmas because
he was with me. It seemed like a
calculated cruelty. I cried and cried
while he told me but he was heartless.
It would not have killed him to be with me
that night. This is the worst example of
other kinds of patterns. It was so
cruel, that's how it seemed to me. I saw
the darkest part of him. He said he knew
it was not right, etc., but would not come
back from his apartment about 20 minutes
away. I had just finished making
chocolate mousse when he called. He left
me alone on christmas eve, with a dinner
all prepared and ready...And my heart
broken. I can't tell you how badly he
hurt me. It just felt so awful.
I brought his stuff over to his apartment
as he had been staying with me. He said
to me, ''thanks for bringing my stuff
although I did not ask for it." I said to
him, "i guess you are not responsible for
anything are you." I have told him he
must make a conscious decision to go into
recovery (this is a borderline kind of
personality thing in my opinion which
needs the same kind of treatment as
addiction). I tried to get through to
him how much he hurt me and how selfish he
has become, and that his mood was no
excuse for cruelty. I withdrew from the
relationship. I urged him to feel his
pain instead of remaining numb to it and
thereby passing it on to others...
I wanted to ask anyone out there, does
anyone know of a situation where someone
actually changed, where someone did do the
right thing? I have seen this before and
I am totally aware that usually this
doesn't happen.
Anyone out there want to share a story?
I have no intention of seeing him again
unless he has committed to recovery. I
grieve because despite what happened, when
he is not depressed he is just a
delightful companion. We have so much in
common. This is so sad. I really love
him and he just doesn't know how to accept
love and return it.
Oh well. Eyes are full here. I've been
dating him seven months. He seemed like
an answer in my life...Oh well.
Thanks.
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BSM
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 05 Jan 2005 Posts: 3 Location: N.M.
Changing Lover Posted: 01-05-05 14:10pm
I have heard of people making an honest
attempt at getting over their emotional
blocks and pain they cause their partner.
I think you did the right thing, for what
it's worth. Relationships are about
compromise, to be sure, but not to the
extent of the partner's values. You were
certainly right to feel hurt after all the
prep for christmas dinner, not to mention
that you wre going to miss that time with
your family to be with him. I think he
has given you clear signs that he is
unable to get past his own issues. Keep
the break..Get invoved with a hobby or
volunteer somewhere to re-focus your time
and heart. I wish you strength and good
luck.
Bsm
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Garnet
New User, Becoming EHEALTHy
Joined: 11 Jan 2005 Posts: 7
Posted: 01-11-05 04:16am
Someone in that much emotional turmoil has
a very long way to go and it is not going
to be pretty or easy. He probably will
not recover. You were enabling him and
it felt good to have someone be dependant
on you, felt like real commitment but as
you have discoverd it was not commitment
at all. He is not whole enough to make a
real commitment.
Find a healthier person and get some help
yourself with your issues of enabling and
attracting dependant men. It is a common
pattern. Women are the caretakers, men
are the dependants who are emotionally
crippled and numb. They can't feel
because they are in too much pain.
Good luck, and really get some support.
Hypnosis or past life regression can
really short cut the process if it appeals
to you. I have worked with this process
from both sides, as both the recipient and
the coach. Plr is an amazing tool.
Find someone who does not charge an arm
and a leg. Read some of brian weiss and
hazel denning's books on plr first for an
idea of what it can do for people. It is
like reliving the source of your issues
and can lift the mystery surrounding deep
issues.
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Justin_Toronto
Experienced User , Rather EHEALTHy
Joined: 28 Jan 2005 Posts: 418 Location: Toronto, ON
Posted: 01-29-05 23:48pm
I'm sorry to hear about this. However,
i'm glad you are fully aware of what's
going on and made the proper step on your
own. You're very right when you say it's
rare that people change... However, I do
know of two incidences.
1) a lady friend of mine who was married
to her husband for 10 years. He was
physically abusive, alcoholic, and really
held her back. She finally put her foot
down, forced a divorce and did not allow
him to even come back without any
councelling. This went on for a year.
Needless to say, it's been around 25 years
now, they have two fully grown children,
and probably one of the happiest couples
i've seen in a very long time.
2) a younger couple. She was with her
boyfriend for 6 years, when she couldn't
take any more of his mental abusiveness /
putting her down / the yelling /
belittling / etc. She left him and would
not keep contact with him. It took him
another 3 years of begging, crying, he
never let up. He changed in those 3
years and never saw anyone else...
Although she did (kind-of.. Nothing that
lasted more than a few dates). In either
case, they're back together, been married
for 4 years. Very healthy relationship
and a baby on the way.
So it does happen, but don't get your
hopes up. If he changes, it's because he
wants to do it---not because you want him
to do it. It's something he'll have to
do himself, and brace yourself... It can
take a while.