Abortion Debate Forum - New & Pro-life With An Opinion Here

steen

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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Re: New & Pro-life With An Opinion Here

mom2trevor wrote:

i get so angry when I hear someone say "i was too young" or "it would have ruined my life"...Well you are apparently old enough to have sex...So why shouldn't you be old enough to deal with all that comes with it?

well, having an abortion actually *is* one way to "deal with all that comes with it."

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it's like a quick fix "oh don't worry if you get pregnant...There is always abortion" you think it's just a "problem" that you can fix?

well, yes. That sure fits an unwanted pregnancy.

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grow-up!

hmm, it almost looks like you are talking to the mirror here.

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i was 23 years old when I got pregnant. I was almost finished with college and working full time. Did I kill my child because it would get in the way?

killing a child is illegal, and has nothing to do with an abortion. Why are you bringing such irrelevant stuff into this post?

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no! I made a special place in my life for him. I was 7 weeks pregnant when I found out.

well, good for you that you had the option of chosing what you wanted to do. That, of course, does not give you the right to deny other women that same ability to make a choice. Each situation is unique, and you frankly are not able to determine what is right for another woman.

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when I saw the baby on the u/s he had a heartbeat....

that would be a fetus, not a baby. Why is it that pro-life posters always are ignorant of developmental stages?

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how can you think that something with a heartbeat isn't alive?

who said that the fetus was not "alive"?

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i just can't seem to understand how you could be okay with destoying something that you helped create??

if the woman doesn't want to be pregnant, then there was no desire to "create" anything to begin with. If a tumor grows in your brain, then your body helped create that tumor. Should you therefore be prevented from removing that tumor?

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sarahsweet

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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A tumor and a child are two completely different situations.

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Izzy

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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They are so silly.... But dangerous with it!

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oopoopoop

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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Re: New & Pro-life With An Opinion Here

mom2trevor wrote:

i get so angry when I hear someone say "i was too young" or "it would have ruined my life"...Well you are apparently old enough to have sex...

what does "old enough to have sex" mean? Girls who are 14 are legally not old enough to have sex, for instance, although they may biologically old enough. Given the state of sex education, it is actually true that some of the 12 year old girls having sex barely know what they are doing, never mind know enough about birth control. That is the scandal -- and far more effort needs to be put into education.

Developmentally, although a girl may be old enough to menstruate, a pregnancy can in fact be very hazardous since her body is not really mature. Menarche used to be at 15, 16, 17...Girls are now getting their first periods at 12 or even 10 and earlier. But in other ways their bodies are not physically more mature. Moreover, just because you are old enough to be having a sexual relationship doesn't mean that you are in a position to carry a pregnancy or to have a child.

mom2trevor wrote:

grow-up! I was 23 years old when I got pregnant. I was almost finished with college and working full time.

so why were you, at that age and level of education, not able to use reliable contraception? But you are saying that any other woman in the same circumstances should also do what you did, no matter what her circumstances are? What makes you such an authority on other women's lives?

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sarahsweet

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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Not an authority...But an example as to how you should handle a sitaution when you get pregnant. Deal with your consequences, dont destroy it.

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oopoopoop

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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Abortion is a way of dealing with the consequences, and of preventing unwanted children and messed up lives.

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Izzy

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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Abortion is a way of dealing with consiquences by way of killing unwanted children and messing up their mothers lives

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oopoopoop

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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No one is killing children -- except maybe parents who regret that they had them.

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bd1012

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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Another prolifer who thinks that she will convince us that aboriton is wrong even though we've heard the same dribble a million and one times. :roll: whatever

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steen

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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sarahsweet wrote:

a tumor and a child are two completely different situations.

but, per the context of the post, it is something generated from your body, it has different dna, it receives nurishment from the woman's body and expells its wasproducts back into the woman's body and so on. So just becayse you *say* that they are different, doesn't follow that the comparison is not valid in the context of "mom's" post, does it now.

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jenn_smithson

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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sarahsweet wrote:

not an authority...But an example as to how you should handle a sitaution when you get pregnant.

and who are you to tell us how we "should handle" the situation? You don't live our lives, you don't know our circumstances. What makes you think and believe that you have the answer to *everyone's* problems when everyone is different and lead different lives?!?

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lil_blaze2004

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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steen wrote:

sarahsweet wrote:

a tumor and a child are two completely different situations.

but, per the context of the post, it is something generated from your body, it has different dna, it receives nurishment from the woman's body and expells its wasproducts back into the woman's body and so on. So just becayse you *say* that they are different, doesn't follow that the comparison is not valid in the context of "mom's" post, does it now.

steen I don't mean to be rude but man oh man am I happy u are not my shrink. I think u would f*ck up my head aven worse. Can u imageine steen getting a patient who feels bad for having an abortion be it recently or not . What would u tell them steen? "oh don't worry it's just like a tumor or even a cyst"

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bd1012

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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I'm sure he would be disappointed that she had the abortion because if she regrets it than that makes it suspect that abortion was not a choice she made but someone else and that is not what we want.. What makes you think abortion is the only choice people regret sometimes? Newsflash.. Some people do regret having a child or adoption but of course you never reall here about that from the prolifers :roll:

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lil_blaze2004

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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bd1012 wrote:

i'm sure he would be disappointed that she had the abortion because if she regrets it than that makes it suspect that abortion was not a choice she made but someone else and that is not what we want.. What makes you think abortion is the only choice people regret sometimes? Newsflash.. Some people do regret having a child or adoption but of course you never reall here about that from the prolifers :roll:

bd why do u always answer for steen????? If u had read some of the previous posts you'd see I was talking in context with steen comparing fetus' to tumors. I am pro-choice and we aren't talking about adoption or people who regret having children,

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jenn_smithson

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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lil_blaze2004 wrote:

steen I don't mean to be rude but man oh man am I happy u are not my shrink. I think u would f*ck up my head aven worse. Can u imageine steen getting a patient who feels bad for having an abortion be it recently or not .

why would she feel badly? A vast majority of women do not feel any long lasting psychological effects from the abortion and most women associate feelings of relief with the procedure.

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what would u tell them steen? "oh don't worry it's just like a tumor or even a cyst"

.Bd told you what steen would most likely do. I am sure he would try to get at the root cause for the woman's negative feelings in this case. "why do *you* think you feel bad?" "could it have been avoided?" "what did you really want?" "could the situation have been resolved any other way?" etc.

As bd so astutely put it, it is a sad situation when a woman regrets her choice. We want the choice to exist free from any manipulation so that the woman can make the best choice for herself.

In the context of the discussion at hand, in my case, the 'fetus' was a tumor sucking the life from my body. Do I regret removing it? Hell no. The choice must remain free to the woman and to the woman alone. Whether she feels if it is a tumor or not or whether anyone tells her it is a tumor or not is irrelevant.

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lil_blaze2004

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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jenn_smithson wrote:

lil_blaze2004 wrote:

steen I don't mean to be rude but man oh man am I happy u are not my shrink. I think u would f*ck up my head aven worse. Can u imageine steen getting a patient who feels bad for having an abortion be it recently or not .

why would she feel badly? A vast majority of women do not feel any long lasting psychological effects from the abortion and most women associate feelings of relief with the procedure.

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what would u tell them steen? "oh don't worry it's just like a tumor or even a cyst"

.Bd told you what steen would most likely do. I am sure he would try to get at the root cause for the woman's negative feelings in this case. "why do *you* think you feel bad?" "could it have been avoided?" "what did you really want?" "could the situation have been resolved any other way?" etc.

As bd so astutely put it, it is a sad situation when a woman regrets her choice. We want the choice to exist free from any manipulation so that the woman can make the best choice for herself.

In the context of the discussion at hand, in my case, the 'fetus' was a tumor sucking the life from my body. Do I regret removing it? Hell no. The choice must remain free to the woman and to the woman alone. Whether she feels if it is a tumor or not or whether anyone tells her it is a tumor or not is irrelevant.

like I posted somewhere else: I am not anti-abortion- if there is a valid reason, have one. It is the "selfish abortions" i'm against. The ones where the girl gets preggo on purpose (to keep a bf or something) and then aborts it. Those are the ones that piss me off. That's it.

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jenn_smithson

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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lil_blaze2004 wrote:

like I posted somewhere else: I am not anti-abortion- if there is a valid reason, have one. It is the "selfish abortions" i'm against. The ones where the girl gets preggo on purpose (to keep a bf or something) and then aborts it. Those are the ones that piss me off. That's it.

would you compell these obviously unstable women to remain pregnant against their will? They are playing childish relationship games. Do they have the mindset capable of remaining pregnant or parenting the resulting child? Also, you still have yet to define what is a "selfish" reason to have an abortion or who would make the decisions for all women as to whether their reasons were valid or not. Would you compell some women, the ones you believe have "selfish" reasons for aborting, to remain pregnant? How far would you like to see that go? Would any woman at that time be able to exercise her right? How long would it take to reach a decision on a woman's validity? Would we then have any right to make any decision at all? Invariably, many women make other choices that are "selfish". Should women lose all their rights then and go back to staying at home?

Choice is freedom. You take away one and you take them all away. What kind of society are you wishing for if you would compell women to be pregnant against their will?

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lil_blaze2004

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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Selfish abortions =. The ones where the girl gets preggo on purpose (to keep a bf or something)

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bd1012

replied on December 23rd, 2004

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No one that I know of has a selfish abortion... And if that is all you are against, than why do you lie and make statements that are against abortion completly? Why would anyone want to get pregant on purpose just to abort? That idea is just stupid.. Try again.

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