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Is the zygote, embryo, fetus a human being from conception
Yes
45%
 45%  [ 10 ]
Yes but it is not a person
9%
 9%  [ 2 ]
No, it becomes a human being at a certain point durring pregnancy
13%
 13%  [ 3 ]
No, not until birth
31%
 31%  [ 7 ]
Total Votes : 22

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steen

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Posted: 12-27-04 18:21pm

jlee77 wrote:
nah ...We just can't stand it when pathetic persons attack our opinions cause their not the same as theirs. Hmm...
ah, the troll is talking to the mirror again.
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Posted: 12-27-04 18:26pm

steen wrote:
moira wrote:
steen, a lot of the posters here are obsessed with your qualifications and you in general :shock: although maybe they just really, really like you :p
heh, they just can't stand it when their personal opinions are exposed as not being factual.


After all, to so many pro-lifers, "belief=fact."


all i've done is speak upon my experiences. And my experiences are fact.
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Posted: 12-29-04 15:13pm

saminsunisma wrote:
steen wrote:
moira wrote:
steen, a lot of the posters here are obsessed with your qualifications and you in general :shock: although maybe they just really, really like you :p
heh, they just can't stand it when their personal opinions are exposed as not being factual.

After all, to so many pro-lifers, "belief=fact."

all i've done is speak upon my experiences. And my experiences are fact.
well, you also posted a non-scientific site as a reference for a scientific fact claim. That you believe it to be scientific still means that the *fact* is that it isn't. That's the kind of stuff I am talking about.

And then, we can go back and look at your postings about fetal pain, fetal development etc.
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Posted: 12-30-04 01:46am

I voted *yes* 100%

the unborn has it's own unique genetic code seperate from the mothers. And just because the unborn is in early stages of development doesn't make it any less of a human being. It is a human being from the moment of conception. I mean good grief--at twelve weeks the child is formed and only needs to grow larger.

If I was only 4 ft. Tall would I be less of a human being? No...And just because the unborn need a little more time to grow they are not any less of a human!
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Posted: 12-30-04 10:46am

Actually yes they are a little less of a human.. They aren't fully devoped yet and sentient.. And btw.. You say that the "unborn" isn't any less of a human and should have equal rights.. Well you obviously believe that the pregnant woman is less of a human because you are trying to take her rights away for a non sentient fetus! What is so hard to understand? What would you say if you had an alien inside you and it was making you sick and you learned that it could possibly kill you? What if you didn't want it there.. What if the idea of it being there absolutley disgusted you? What if you were told that you couldn't get it taken out because the "wittle pwecious baby alien deserves a right to life too" and you were also told that you need to just deal with being pregnant with an alien. How would you feel?
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Posted: 12-30-04 11:13am

bd1012 wrote:
actually yes they are a little less of a human.. They aren't fully devoped yet and sentient.. And btw.. You say that the "unborn" isn't any less of a human and should have equal rights.. Well you obviously believe that the pregnant woman is less of a human because you are trying to take her rights away for a non sentient fetus! What is so hard to understand? What would you say if you had an alien inside you and it was making you sick and you learned that it could possibly kill you? What if you didn't want it there.. What if the idea of it being there absolutley disgusted you? What if you were told that you couldn't get it taken out because the "wittle pwecious baby alien deserves a right to life too" and you were also told that you need to just deal with being pregnant with an alien. How would you feel?


bd I sort of understand where you are coming from.... If a "fetus" is life threatning to the mother then or if the doctors find something terminal with the "fetus" yes it should be terminated. B.U.T if the idea of that "fetus" disgusts you then there are precautions to take so that "fetus" will not be made (and yes I know not everything is 100% except abstinence and we can't expect people to not have sex)

my "fetus" made me extremelly sick at first to the point where I could not get out of bed and I was put on medication for the vomiting and weight loss, but abortion was my last option. And luckily i'm fine now and no longer sick... But everyone is different.

I'll tell u something about me, when I was 19 I got pregnant and did not know at first. I was on major drugs (extasy, speed and coke) and I was drinking and smoking weed. I found out I was preggers at about 2 months (i was on the pill so I did not think I was preggers just stressed with school.) after my boyfriend at the time told me that it was wrong to bring a baby into this kind of relationship (he was muslim and going back to egypt in a year) I had to think really hard about what to do. I decieded to get an abortion for the sake of this child. I did not want my child being born addicted to drugs. I guess god was watching over me because I stated spotting, and the day before I was to get the abortion, I miscarried. This was my second miscarriage and even though I was gonna get an abortion, it still hurt me. Now I want this "future child" I am carrying and already love him/her (i'm 14 weeks so there's either a penis or vagina starting). I just want you to understand a little about me and realize I am not against abortion completely. Like i've said before I am against them for the "wrong reasons". Whatever those may be to me...

Sorry it was so long......
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bd1012

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Posted: 12-30-04 11:34am

My leg is human too jlee.. And people have them amputated all the time.. I don't see you protesting limb amputations.
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bd1012

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Posted: 12-30-04 11:54am

Hey.. You said it was human and so is a leg.. That' what I was saying..
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Posted: 12-30-04 12:04pm

bd1012 wrote:
hey.. You said it was human and so is a leg.. That' what I was saying..


actually no a leg is "a part" of a human or animal or reptile but is not a human. It has no heart, no brain, no emotions. Yes it "feels" but actually that is part of your brain telling it to feel.
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Posted: 12-30-04 12:05pm

She didn't say a fetus was .A human..She said it was human.. There's a difference :wink:
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Posted: 12-30-04 12:07pm

bd1012 wrote:
she didn't say a fetus was .A human..She said it was human.. There's a difference :wink:


you guys and you grammar...... Sheesh....Lol.

What's the diff?????
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bd1012

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Posted: 12-30-04 12:10pm

Being of human origin and being a human are diffrent.. Being of human origin means it has some features belonging to a human.. Being a human means it a seperate complete human being
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Posted: 12-30-04 12:18pm

bd1012 wrote:
being of human origin and being a human are diffrent.. Being of human origin means it has some features belonging to a human.. Being a human means it a seperate complete human being


so being monkeys are "human" and people are "a human"??? I'm just trying o se if I understand what you're saying....
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bd1012

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Posted: 12-30-04 12:56pm

Being monkeys?
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Posted: 12-30-04 14:00pm

bd1012 wrote:
being monkeys?


oops-ignore the being.....
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bd1012

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Posted: 12-30-04 14:01pm

jlee77 wrote:
woah.....


A fetus is "a human", "human" however you wish to see it. It just is. I has a seperate identity of it's own, it's own genes, etc....It's all been said before.


so is a woman but you want to take her rights away from her. Oh that's right.. She's not a pwecioius wittle fetus so she doesn't matter and because she had dirty dirty sex :roll:
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Posted: 12-30-04 14:22pm

jlee77 wrote:
i'm not sure how else to answer you so i'll try it this way.


I guess the answer to your questions is I don't feel a woman has a right to end a life because of her own irresponsiblity and selfish lifestyle. Should her ex-boyfriend have her life ended because she is an inconvenience when she stalks him? Yes...Sound ridiculous but so does abortion. You can look at it in so many ways. If this world were a better place, which is isn't, but if it were, then the woman would have enough sense to straighten the hell up and have the child. Abortion would not be such an issue. People are so damn wrapped up with themselves and how they can further themselves. Just yet another reason why are world is going to hell as we speak.

A woman ending her child's life due to her blatting "i'm not ready, wahhh!!!" is no different than someone killing a person they don't like, or that "inconveniences them". There really is no difference. Let the child live, it's not his/her fault that your an immature female part of the body. That can't be a responsible adult (not you, but a woman in general).


i agree with you on that jlee
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bd1012

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Posted: 12-30-04 14:24pm

Ok first of all.. The immature female part of the body thing was uncalled for..I don't care who your insulting.. Me personally or womankind..

Again.. I'm so sick of the "she's so selfish" argument.. We all do things that are selfish sometimes.. It's selfish not to give to the poor but it's not our responsibility to..It's nice but we are not obligated. When's the last time you ate a hamburger? Anyway killing people who are an inconvienence is not comparable to abortion..Killing humans is homicide and we can't kill born persons because they have a right to life. Abortion is not all about getting rid of inconvience.

As far as responsibility goes..We are not the ones popping out kids left and right with no concern about their well being and quality of life afterward.. Why do you think they are people living in poverty.. Why do you think so many kids are in foster homes? We just want to make sure that any kid brought into this earth is well taken care of. We realize that it takes more than owning a uterus to be a good mother. We are not irresponsible.. You and I just have two different views on what responsibility in this case is.
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Posted: 12-30-04 16:03pm

"i'm so sick of the "she's so selfish" argument."

well we are so sorry for reminding you of the .T.R.U.T.H


"it's selfish not to give to the poor but it's not our responsibility to..It's nice but we are not obligated"

our offspring are our obligation and so are our family but who is my bretheren... Caine cryed out "am I my brothers keeper?"

the women cry out "am I obligated to my child?"

"killing humans is not a nice act and we can't kill born persons because they have a right to life. "

and so do unborn children.... A right not granted by you, by us or by the government.... A unalianable right to life endowed to them by their creator


"as far as responsibility goes..We are not the ones popping out kids left and right with no concern about their well being"

true, very true! Your the ones killing kids left and right with no concern about there well being.

"why do you think they are people living in poverty.. "

so you think these people should be killed or should have been killed because they are an inconvienience to society and a reminder to us of our failiure.

"why do you think so many kids are in foster homes?"

so you think these should be killed or should have been killed?

"we just want to make sure that any kid brought into this earth is well taken care of"

yes! Abortion is a real good way to "take care" of them.

"we realize that it takes more than owning a uterus to be a good mother."

yep... Its called.... Not killing your unborn child

"we are not irresponsible"

by becoming pregnant with child in the first place proves you are irrisponsible.... Yes even if you use b/c.... By having an abortion you are admiting that you are not responisble enough to look after the child.... But by killing the child you somehow believe you are being responsible...... Not so... The only thing you can claim is your being responsible for being irrisponsible

so no abortion is not a responsible thing other than you being responsible for the killing of another human being.
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Posted: 12-30-04 18:44pm

You are saying that allowing a pregnancy to continue and giving birth and not(i repeat, not) taking care of this bundle of joy after birth is being responsible, come on now!
Always,
sandy
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