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steen
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Posted: 12-27-04 18:21pm
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| jlee77
wrote: | | nah ...We just can't stand
it when pathetic persons attack our
opinions cause their not the same as
theirs.
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ah, the troll is talking
to the mirror again.
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SamiNSunisMa
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Joined: 27 Nov 2004 Posts: 1528
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Posted: 12-27-04 18:26pm
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| steen
wrote: | | moira
wrote: | | steen, a lot of the posters
here are obsessed with your qualifications
and you in general :shock: although maybe
they just really, really like you
:p |
heh, they just can't
stand it when their personal opinions are
exposed as not being factual.
After all, to so many pro-lifers,
"belief=fact." |
all i've done is speak upon my
experiences. And my experiences are fact.
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steen
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Posted: 12-29-04 15:13pm
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| saminsunisma
wrote: | | steen
wrote: | | moira
wrote: | | steen, a lot of the posters
here are obsessed with your qualifications
and you in general :shock: although maybe
they just really, really like you
:p |
heh, they just can't
stand it when their personal opinions are
exposed as not being factual.
After all, to so many pro-lifers,
"belief=fact." |
all i've done is speak upon my
experiences. And my experiences are
fact. |
well, you also posted a
non-scientific site as a reference for a
scientific fact claim. That you believe
it to be scientific still means that the
*fact* is that it isn't. That's the kind
of stuff I am talking about.
And then, we can go back and look at your
postings about fetal pain, fetal
development etc.
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mom2trevor
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Joined: 22 Dec 2004 Posts: 694 Location: VA
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Posted: 12-30-04 01:46am
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I voted *yes* 100%
the unborn has it's own unique genetic
code seperate from the mothers. And just
because the unborn is in early stages of
development doesn't make it any less of a
human being. It is a human being from the
moment of conception. I mean good
grief--at twelve weeks the child is formed
and only needs to grow larger.
If I was only 4 ft. Tall would I be less
of a human being? No...And just because
the unborn need a little more time to grow
they are not any less of a human!
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-30-04 10:46am
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Actually yes they are a little less of a
human.. They aren't fully devoped yet and
sentient.. And btw.. You say that the
"unborn" isn't any less of a human and
should have equal rights.. Well you
obviously believe that the pregnant woman
is less of a human because you are trying
to take her rights away for a non sentient
fetus! What is so hard to understand?
What would you say if you had an alien
inside you and it was making you sick and
you learned that it could possibly kill
you? What if you didn't want it there..
What if the idea of it being there
absolutley disgusted you? What if you
were told that you couldn't get it taken
out because the "wittle pwecious baby
alien deserves a right to life too" and
you were also told that you need to just
deal with being pregnant with an alien.
How would you feel?
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 12-30-04 11:13am
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| bd1012
wrote: | | actually yes they are a
little less of a human.. They aren't
fully devoped yet and sentient.. And
btw.. You say that the "unborn" isn't
any less of a human and should have equal
rights.. Well you obviously believe that
the pregnant woman is less of a human
because you are trying to take her rights
away for a non sentient fetus! What is
so hard to understand? What would you
say if you had an alien inside you and it
was making you sick and you learned that
it could possibly kill you? What if
you didn't want it there.. What if the
idea of it being there absolutley
disgusted you? What if you were told
that you couldn't get it taken out because
the "wittle pwecious baby alien deserves a
right to life too" and you were also told
that you need to just deal with being
pregnant with an alien. How would you
feel? |
bd I sort of understand where you are
coming from.... If a "fetus" is life
threatning to the mother then or if the
doctors find something terminal with the
"fetus" yes it should be terminated.
B.U.T if the idea of that "fetus" disgusts
you then there are precautions to take so
that "fetus" will not be made (and yes I
know not everything is 100% except
abstinence and we can't expect people to
not have sex)
my "fetus" made me extremelly sick at
first to the point where I could not get
out of bed and I was put on medication for
the vomiting and weight loss, but abortion
was my last option. And luckily i'm fine
now and no longer sick... But everyone
is different.
I'll tell u something about me, when I was
19 I got pregnant and did not know at
first. I was on major drugs (extasy,
speed and coke) and I was drinking and
smoking weed. I found out I was preggers
at about 2 months (i was on the pill so I
did not think I was preggers just stressed
with school.) after my boyfriend at the
time told me that it was wrong to bring a
baby into this kind of relationship (he
was muslim and going back to egypt in a
year) I had to think really hard about
what to do. I decieded to get an
abortion for the sake of this child. I
did not want my child being born addicted
to drugs. I guess god was watching over
me because I stated spotting, and the day
before I was to get the abortion, I
miscarried. This was my second
miscarriage and even though I was gonna
get an abortion, it still hurt me. Now I
want this "future child" I am carrying and
already love him/her (i'm 14 weeks so
there's either a penis or vagina
starting). I just want you to understand
a little about me and realize I am not
against abortion completely. Like i've
said before I am against them for the
"wrong reasons". Whatever those may be
to me...
Sorry it was so long......
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bd1012
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Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
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Posted: 12-30-04 11:34am
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My leg is human too jlee.. And people
have them amputated all the time.. I
don't see you protesting limb amputations.
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-30-04 11:54am
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Hey.. You said it was human and so is a
leg.. That' what I was saying..
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 12-30-04 12:04pm
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| bd1012
wrote: | | hey.. You said it was
human and so is a leg.. That' what I was
saying.. |
actually no a leg is "a part" of a human
or animal or reptile but is not a human.
It has no heart, no brain, no emotions.
Yes it "feels" but actually that is part
of your brain telling it to feel.
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bd1012
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Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
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Posted: 12-30-04 12:05pm
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She didn't say a fetus was .A human..She
said it was human.. There's a difference
:wink:
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 12-30-04 12:07pm
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| bd1012
wrote: | | she didn't say a fetus was
.A human..She said it was human..
There's a difference
:wink: |
you guys and you grammar......
Sheesh....Lol.
What's the diff?????
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bd1012
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Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
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Posted: 12-30-04 12:10pm
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Being of human origin and being a human
are diffrent.. Being of human origin
means it has some features belonging to a
human.. Being a human means it a seperate
complete human being
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 12-30-04 12:18pm
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| bd1012
wrote: | | being of human origin and
being a human are diffrent.. Being of
human origin means it has some features
belonging to a human.. Being a human
means it a seperate complete human
being |
so being monkeys are "human" and people
are "a human"??? I'm just trying o se
if I understand what you're saying....
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bd1012
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 12-30-04 14:00pm
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| bd1012
wrote: | | being
monkeys? |
oops-ignore the being.....
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bd1012
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Joined: 31 May 2004 Posts: 1998
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Posted: 12-30-04 14:01pm
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| jlee77
wrote: | woah.....
A fetus is "a human", "human" however you
wish to see it. It just is. I has a
seperate identity of it's own, it's own
genes, etc....It's all been said
before. |
so is a woman but you want to take her
rights away from her. Oh that's right..
She's not a pwecioius wittle fetus so she
doesn't matter and because she had dirty
dirty sex :roll:
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lil_blaze2004
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Posted: 12-30-04 14:22pm
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| jlee77
wrote: | i'm not sure how else to
answer you so i'll try it this way.
I guess the answer to your questions is I
don't feel a woman has a right to end a
life because of her own irresponsiblity
and selfish lifestyle. Should her
ex-boyfriend have her life ended because
she is an inconvenience when she stalks
him? Yes...Sound ridiculous but so does
abortion. You can look at it in so many
ways. If this world were a better place,
which is isn't, but if it were, then the
woman would have enough sense to
straighten the hell up and have the child.
Abortion would not be such an issue.
People are so damn wrapped up with
themselves and how they can further
themselves. Just yet another reason why
are world is going to hell as we speak.
A woman ending her child's life due to her
blatting "i'm not ready, wahhh!!!" is no
different than someone killing a person
they don't like, or that "inconveniences
them". There really is no difference.
Let the child live, it's not his/her fault
that your an immature female part of the
body. That can't be a responsible adult
(not you, but a woman in
general). |
i agree with you on that jlee
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bd1012
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Posted: 12-30-04 14:24pm
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Ok first of all.. The immature female
part of the body thing was uncalled for..I
don't care who your insulting.. Me
personally or womankind..
Again.. I'm so sick of the "she's so
selfish" argument.. We all do things that
are selfish sometimes.. It's selfish not
to give to the poor but it's not our
responsibility to..It's nice but we are
not obligated. When's the last time you
ate a hamburger? Anyway killing people
who are an inconvienence is not comparable
to abortion..Killing humans is homicide
and we can't kill born persons because
they have a right to life. Abortion is
not all about getting rid of
inconvience.
As far as responsibility goes..We are not
the ones popping out kids left and right
with no concern about their well being and
quality of life afterward.. Why do you
think they are people living in poverty..
Why do you think so many kids are in
foster homes? We just want to make sure
that any kid brought into this earth is
well taken care of. We realize that it
takes more than owning a uterus to be a
good mother. We are not irresponsible..
You and I just have two different views on
what responsibility in this case is.
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Izzy
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Joined: 16 Oct 2004 Posts: 883 Location: Earth
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Posted: 12-30-04 16:03pm
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"i'm so sick of the "she's so selfish"
argument."
well we are so sorry for reminding you of
the .T.R.U.T.H
"it's selfish not to give to the poor but
it's not our responsibility to..It's nice
but we are not obligated"
our offspring are our obligation and so
are our family but who is my bretheren...
Caine cryed out "am I my brothers
keeper?"
the women cry out "am I obligated to my
child?"
"killing humans is not a nice act and we
can't kill born persons because they have
a right to life. "
and so do unborn children.... A right not
granted by you, by us or by the
government.... A unalianable right to
life endowed to them by their creator
"as far as responsibility goes..We are not
the ones popping out kids left and right
with no concern about their well being"
true, very true! Your the ones killing
kids left and right with no concern about
there well being.
"why do you think they are people living
in poverty.. "
so you think these people should be killed
or should have been killed because they
are an inconvienience to society and a
reminder to us of our failiure.
"why do you think so many kids are in
foster homes?"
so you think these should be killed or
should have been killed?
"we just want to make sure that any kid
brought into this earth is well taken care
of"
yes! Abortion is a real good way to "take
care" of them.
"we realize that it takes more than owning
a uterus to be a good mother."
yep... Its called.... Not killing your
unborn child
"we are not irresponsible"
by becoming pregnant with child in the
first place proves you are
irrisponsible.... Yes even if you use
b/c.... By having an abortion you are
admiting that you are not responisble
enough to look after the child.... But by
killing the child you somehow believe you
are being responsible...... Not so...
The only thing you can claim is your being
responsible for being irrisponsible
so no abortion is not a responsible thing
other than you being responsible for the
killing of another human being.
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sandyallen
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Posted: 12-30-04 18:44pm
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You are saying that allowing a pregnancy
to continue and giving birth and not(i
repeat, not) taking care of this bundle of
joy after birth is being responsible, come
on now!
Always,
sandy
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