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lil_blaze2004

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Posted: 01-03-05 12:58pm

sandyallen wrote:

hey gero, the pro-choice are not favored here, we are just smarter and more educated and real. Why are you so insecure and negative? Slanted facts, lol.

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dandy sandy

smarter??? More educated????? Gimme a break. You don't know anything about us, let alone me. So watch what u say ms. Sandy

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Posted: 01-03-05 18:15pm

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if those who are prochoice are so smart, than they would be smart enough to use birth control regularly like they are supposed to instead of being careless,

do you have any facts supporting your claim that pro-choice women (and men) are not using contraception regularly and are the only ones seeking and obtaining abortions? I thought not. Most women who obtain an abortion were using some form of contraception which failed them. All sorts of women obtain abortions, pro-choice, "pro-life", religious, non-religious, christians, non-christians, married, single, young, and older. There is no set mold of the "type" of woman who seeks or obtains an abortion just as there is no one set of circumstances that women find themselves in before an abortion.

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letting themselves get pregnant,

as if we have a button or switch that can be turned on and off.

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and using abortion as their form of birth control.

abortion cannot be used as a form of birth control. Might I suggest that you actually research a little about this topic before you post. And, before we hear a long, contrived story about some woman that you know who has had multiple abortions because she doesn't use contraception, just don't bother. Women who have multiple abortions are in an extreme minority. The overwhelming, vast majority of women who have an abortion, have only one abortion in their lifetimes.

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I bet the number of abortions would greatly be reduced if women learned to be more responsible with contraception.

first, the only ways to reduce the number of abortions are to encourage and promote cheap and effective, consistent contraceptive use, sexuality education for whoever needs it, and it has been theorized that a sour economy has also increased the number of abortions.

Also, your post seems to indicate that women are primarily responsible for contraception and if they do get pregnant, then they somehow deserve it for failing to live up to your standards. As I have posted on another thread, it takes *two* to tango. Both people need to take the initiative to ensure effective contraception use, both men and women. However, according to your post, it's the woman's own fault if she gets pregnant even if she was taking the proper precautions. Contraceptives do fail, there is no 100% effective active method of contraception. By posting that it is primarily the woman's responsibility, you are excusing the man's (or other partner's) responsibility in the situation.

Again, it seems as if you are exclusively blaming women when it should be an equal sharing of responsibility between both men and women (or between the two partners involved). Honestly, isn't it about time that men took their share of the responsibility? Why must we always blame and chastise *only* the women?!?

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Posted: 01-07-05 01:27am


Men should ideally be equally responsible, but as most women with good, common sense should know, men feel as though the woman should solely be responsible for contraceptive use since she is the one who gets pregnant. So ladies, don't depend on the man to use contraception because he won't (unless he is a good guy who actually cares about the woman whom he is sleeping with). And i'm not saying that every single woman who chooses to obtain an abortion didn't use contraception, but I do feel that with our society promoting irresponsibility and promiscuity, that most of the unwanted pregnancies that are terminated were the result of failure to use contraception. You look at the number of women who obtain abortions. You can't tell me that the rate of contraceptive failure is that high. If contraceptive failure was actually that high, than it would be taken off the market.

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Posted: 01-08-05 11:27am

jlee77 wrote:

i agree. It seems that people keep saying "the pill fails, it fails!" true but very very rarely. But they talk about it like it's a 50/50 chance. If you use contraceptives right, they are highly effective.

not everyone can use hormonal contraceptives. And not everyone wants to put the chemicals into their body.

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Posted: 01-08-05 12:59pm


Not all contraceptives are hormonal ms rosie.....So therefore you don't have to put chemicals into your body....But those people can use condoms, diaphragms, female condoms, the sponge, spermicide, an iud and in many cases they could be using combinations of these....So what was your argument against birth control again?

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Posted: 01-08-05 13:22pm

mom2trevor wrote:

not all contraceptives are hormonal ms rosie.....So therefore you don't have to put chemicals into your body....But those people can use condoms, diaphragms, female condoms, the sponge, spermicide, an *iud* and in many cases they could be using combinations of these....So what was your argument against birth control again?

i was responding to this (which is why I quoted it):

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*nowhere* did I say I was against birthcontrol.

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Posted: 01-08-05 13:52pm

mom2trevor wrote:

barrier methods have a much better shot of failing because if it doesn't do it's job then that's it..She may get pregnant and some people are allergic to hormonal methods and spermicide.

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Posted: 01-08-05 14:35pm


The reason that most contraceptives fail period is because people are uninformed on how to use them properly.

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Posted: 01-08-05 15:05pm


Haven't you learned yet that no form of b/c is 100%, I am definitely not saying not to use it, I had an iud and a spermicide condom once, the condom broke and the iud ended up in the fetus and I ended up pregnant and miscarrying at approx 16 weeks, so you are telling me that they are great. Always, sandy

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Posted: 01-08-05 15:28pm

mom2trevor wrote:

the reason that most contraceptives fail period is because people are uninformed on how to use them properly.

well gee..And I wonder why?? You can thank the abstinence only program for that.. They are at least partly responsible.

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Posted: 01-08-05 20:21pm

mom2trevor wrote:

the reason that most contraceptives fail period is because people are uninformed on how to use them properly.

promulgated by fundamentaists and catholics fighting against having people educated in their use.

How interesting that the same people who oppose abortions are also opposed to teach people about contraceptions. Doesn't that seem hypocritical, at least as it relate to those people?

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Posted: 01-14-05 12:04pm


Yes, but aren't there instructions on the contraceptive packages themselves that tell people how to use them? If you can read, then you will know how to use them properly.

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Posted: 01-14-05 12:10pm


So you assume that anyone who gets pregnant on bc didn't know how to use it? It's very hard to control whether or not the condom breaks or the diaphram slips out of place. Plus some people get preggers on depo.. Very hard to misuse depo other than not getting it on time. If you don't get on time you are advised to abstain until you do get it.. That only happened to me once because I never got the reminder they send in the mail and I did abstain during those two weeks.

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Birth Control Methods Posted: 01-14-05 13:27pm


There is so much birth control out there that one or more of the following has to work for everyone out there. reversible methods of birth control behavioral methods continuous abstinence outercourse periodic abstitnence — fertility awareness-based methods withdrawal over-the-counter barrier methods the condom the female condom prescription barrier methods diaphragms, caps, & shields prescription hormone methods the pill the patch (ortho evra®) the ring (nuvaring®) the shot (dmpa) implants emergency contraception iuds permanent methods of birth control — sterilization tubal sterilization (women) vasectomy (men) http://www.Plannedparenth ood.Org/pp2/portal/medicalinfo/birthcontro l/

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Posted: 01-14-05 13:42pm


Yeah.. Many many of those methods arne't fail proof.. Some people can't have hormonal methods of birth control and at the same time are allergic to spermicide and we all know condroms break and it's possible for the diagphram and the cap to slip. We know of a person that got pregger on one of those sheild type birth control things. Now an iud can be very effective but I don't think some obgyns will give you one if you are young just in case some complications that may arise. Don't even get me started on the fertility awareness type things.. You know the line. "what do we call people who use the rhythm method?.... Parents".

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Posted: 01-14-05 20:48pm


I had an iud and ended up pregnant, so don't tell me it is 100%. You can give all the sex education you want and their will still be some females that will end up preg. As they feel that it will not happen to them(getting pregnant). Even the aspirin method will not work, or douche or even the vaseline. You definitely can get preg. On the pill. Always, sandy

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Posted: 01-14-05 20:51pm

bd1012 wrote:

now an iud can be very effective but I don't think some obgyns will give you one if you are young just in case some complications that may arise.

i've had an iud - I will *never* do that again, it was pure hell.

Rosie

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Posted: 01-14-05 20:52pm

sandyallen wrote:

i had an iud and ended up pregnant, so don't tell me it is 100%. You can give all the sex education you want and their will still be some females that will end up preg. As they feel that it will not happen to them(getting pregnant). Even the aspirin method will not work, or douche or even the vaseline. You definitely can get preg. On the pill.

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sandy

were you talking to me about the iud? I never said it was 100%, I just said it was very effective.. I am sorry if it sounded that I meant it was 100% effective.

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Posted: 01-14-05 20:53pm

msrosie wrote:

bd1012 wrote:

now an iud can be very effective but I don't think some obgyns will give you one if you are young just in case some complications that may arise.

i've had an iud - I will *never* do that again, it was pure hell.

Rosie

further proof that not every single birth control method out there is for everyone. Btw.. I didnt' mean the iud was failproof. I just meant it was effective as in had a low.. Note.. Low failure rate and it's hard to misuse or forget.

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Posted: 01-14-05 21:37pm


No bd, I was not talkin to you, it is just that some of these pro-life people think that all of these b/c methods are sooo safe. I am not hinting to anyone not to use them, a lot of the b/c did not work for me. I agree rosie, an iud is hell. There are some that do like the iud. Sincerely, sandy