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Q: Most Unbiased Site I Have Seen
asked by: Izzy on December 11th, 2004
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a human beings life begains at conception?

The process leading up to the birth of a newborn baby can be divided into many steps:

about 1 month before conception: almost all adult males produce thousands of spermatozoa (male germ cells) each second. It would take about 500 of them lined up in a row to total 1 inch in length.

They take a month or so to travel from a testicle, through a long tube called the "vas deferens," to reach a small reservoir inside the man's prostate gland. Here, semen (a mixture of spermatozoa and various fluids) is formed. Each spermatozoon contains human dna.

They certainly appear to be living organisms. As seen in a microscope, they seem to be moving energetically with the sole motivation of fusing with an ovum. Most people consider them to be a form of human life, because they appear alive and contain human dna.

Strictly speaking, spermatozoon are not alive. Its movements are due to chemical reactions.

Perhaps one day before conception: the woman ovulates and produces one mature ovum (egg cell). It travels down one of her fallopian tubes towards her uterus. It is about 1/100" in diameter, and is barely visible to the naked eye. It also considered by most of the public to be a form of human life, for the above reasons. But it is not actually a living organism. It has been described as an "inert globule of organic matter." it does carry a cargo of human dna.

At conception: one very lucky spermatozoon out of hundreds of millions ejaculated by the man will penetrate the outside layer of the ovum and fertilize it. The surface of the ovum changes its electrical characteristics and prevents additional sperm from entering.

A genetically unique entity is formed shortly thereafter, called a zygote. This is commonly referred to as a "fertilized ovum." however that term is not really valid because the ovum ceases to exist after conception. Half of its 46 chromosomes come from the egg's 23 chromosomes and the other half from the spermatozoon's 23.

It has a unique dna structure, different from that of the ovum and the spermatozoon. The zygote is "...Is biologically alive. It fulfills the four criteria needed to establish biological life:

1. Metabolism,
2. Growth,
3. Reaction to stimuli, and
4. Reproduction."

it can reproduce itself through twinning at any time up to about 14 days after conception; this is how identical twins are caused.

Conception is the point that most, or all, pro-life groups and conservative christians define as the beginning of pregnancy. They also define the start of a human person as occurring at conception. The medical definition of the start of pregnancy is about 10 days later, at implantation.

The zygote divides into two cells, called blastomeres. They subdivide once every 12 to 20 hours as the zygote slowly passes down the fallopian tubes.

Does fetus feel pain

the short answer is yes. At some stage during pregnancy, a fetus becomes capable of feeling pain. But, there appears to be no consensus among experts about the point in the pregnancy when this happens:

many physicians and researchers of fetal development believe that synaptic connections within the fetus' brain are necessary to perceive pain. These are not formed until well into the third trimester, when fewer than 1% of all pregnancy terminations are done.

Others, who tend to be pro-life advocates, believe that a fetus as early as 7 weeks after conception can feel pain. Thus, they believe that a fetus can feel pain part way through the first trimester, when most abortions are performed

it would appear that some of the experts' opinions are so heavily biased by their pro-life/pro-choice stance that they are incapable of making objective observations.

Many women seriously consider this factor when they are deciding whether or not to have an abortion. They are reluctant to submit to an operation that would be painful to the fetus. Women deserve to have precise information on which to base their decision.

Unfortunately, emotional factors seem to intrude in this, as in all other matters related to abortion. Information is very easy to find. But its accuracy is almost impossible to evaluate.

Pain in an adult, child, newborn or late-term fetus originates as an electrical signal in some of the body's pain receptors. This signal is sent via nerve pathways to the spinal column, then to the thalamus - an egg-shaped structure within the brain. Finally the signal is transferred to the cerebral cortex where it is sensed as pain.

In a fetus, the pain receptors develop around 7 weeks after conception; the spino-thalamic system at about 13 weeks. Finally, the connections to the cortex are established about 26 weeks into pregnancy.

Some pro-life advocates believe that pain can be felt by the fetus when these systems are only partly formed. Most pro-choice advocates believe that the complete system has to be "wired up" before the fetus can feel pain - i.E. At about 26 weeks into pregnancy.
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JanetBee
replied on December 11th, 2004
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That is very useful information, all the more so because it does as you say seem to be unbiased.

The point about pain is very interesting though, I have never heard anyone say that the reason they wouldnt have an abortion is because it would cause pain in the fetus. It still seems strange that this would be such a big deal when causing pain to other sentient creatures is done so easily by so many peopel who are opposed to abortion.
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Izzy
replied on December 11th, 2004
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I dont know how unbiased it is.... Like I say and it also says the topic of abortion is such that no one can be unbiased, however it does seem to give both sides a fair crack of the whip and trys to be as unbiased as possible.

So much so I am not sure if its biased towards pro choice or pro life if at all either!
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Izzy
replied on December 11th, 2004
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Having read more indepth into the site.... I would say it is slightly biased towards pro choice... But only very slightly.

I have notice a few of there articals are wrong especially about the roman catholic stance on abortion.
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steen
replied on December 11th, 2004
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That is a resonably neutral site. But better yet, go to the actual medical literature for specifics. And there is the government sites, such as the cdc site on abortion statistics.
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Sinsaint
replied on December 11th, 2004
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Funny that he should use that site. I wonder if he knows they have an entire section dedicated to debunking the myth that the bible is anti-abortion.
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Izzy
replied on December 11th, 2004
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I used that site because I feel it represents the facts rather fairly....I do believe it is slightly pro choice, but one cant argue that it seems to be rather fair to pro life when faced with facts... That is not to say what it publishes is always true especially when it deals with opinion rather than fact!


I had read about the bible, but that is only there opinion and I dont believe they have any authority or guidance to interperet the bible!


There is much I do not agree with on the site but at least they acknowlede the fact that the unborn are human beings - thus it is safe to say they are pretty fair.
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Sinsaint
replied on December 11th, 2004
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izzy wrote:
i had read about the bible, but that is only there opinion and I dont believe they have any authority or guidance to interperet the bible!

There is much I do not agree with on the site but at least they acknowlede the fact that the unborn are human beings - thus it is safe to say they are pretty fair.


so..... The web site's pretty fair because they acknowledge something you would like to believe but the rest of it's just bologna because it doesn't state what you would like it to. How utterly expected Rolling Eyes . Anyway, answer me this. Why is it that when they interpret things as you would like them to you state their assumption as fact but when they interpret something in a way that doesn't jive with what you would like it is meerly their opinion? Aside from that, what makes you think your interpretation of the bible is fact and their's is just opinion??
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jenn_smithson
replied on December 11th, 2004
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izzy wrote:
there is much I do not agree with on the site but at least they acknowlede the fact that the unborn are human beings - thus it is safe to say they are pretty fair.
the z/e/f is a human. In a human pregnancy, what else could it be? It is a dependent entity before birth. It is not a person. You keep confusing the two. Born persons are conferred with rights, they are counted, they are taxed, etc. There is a difference between what you are asserting and personhood.
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